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Jack 1000
Hey All,

You can use this thread for preview comments on Khan's fight with Diaz tomorrow afternoon in the UK. The link below says that the fight will follow Judah-Garcia on Showtime as a special post-fight broadcast, here you go:

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/178115-...dah-on-showtime

Just a heads up on this. For the community, please keep the spoilers in this thread tomorrow afternoon, so people will be able to watch the Showtime tape delay without knowing what happened. Also remember to only use this thread for Khan-Diaz comments. Judah-Garcia comments should be posted in the pinned up thread provided.

Jack

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mgrover
Khans brother wins ud

Fraudley koed in first round
mgrover
Antony ogogo second round ko
mitukczuk
Man Audley Harrison is just a saaaaad story. How can someone who won olympic gold end up like this.

Ogogo's KO was nice.

How old is Nate Campbell? 60 ?
mitukczuk
Diaz has snowball's chance in hell to win this. But I still hope Khan gets KTFO.
mitukczuk
1st round Khan. Lot of jabbing from him, landed two left hooksbut he drops his hands and wings them. Diaz landed two clean rights.
mgrover
Round khan, but Diaz did land a nice right hand. Khans D seems better but we won't really know until he fights Peterson or Garcia
mitukczuk
2nd to Khan. He is active and those jabs are hard. Khan starting to put his punches together. Both men landed some hooks.
mgrover
Wasn't paying attention looked like a khan round but Diaz did nicely so 10-10
mgrover
Diaz landed nicely to the body early and a nice right. Nice flurry and right but Diaz round Diaz
mitukczuk
3rd goes to Diaz. He landed a nice combo to the body and right upstairs. Khan landed two body shots. I am not convinced Amir has improved he looked very limited in this round,
mitukczuk
DOWN GOES KHAN !
mgrover
Khan down
mitukczuk
4th to Diaz. Nice counter left hook to drop Khan. Khan's D doesnt look good to me. Not tight, drops hands when he jabs. Diaz CAN win this if he plays his cards right.
mgrover
Round Diaz lol I can't seem him beating Garcia

Round Khan
mitukczuk
5th to Khan who is on his bicycle again. Landed a very nice and fast right right on the chin of Diaz. Diaz making it competitive though, didnt even blink.
mgrover
Round khan
mitukczuk
6th to Amir "The Bicycle" Khan. Landed a nice combo though. Diaz has a shot...looking focused. Not a good look for Khan....but the fans don't care anyway...
mgrover
People say khans on his bike but not rigondeux come on
mgrover
Round khan but he looked hurt near the end
mitukczuk
7th to Khan. One very nice exchange. Amir did some damage in this round. Diaz starting to look frustrated...
Gambit808
What's a Khan fight without him getting dropped/hurt bad that really worth remembering lol
mgrover
Diaz needs to stop rolling the jab and needs to slip it.
mgrover
Diaz needs to stop rolling the jab and needs to slip it.
mgrover
Am off phone battery's dying, the refs on khans side clearly, this fight reaffirms my views on h fighting welterweights, well this ain't even a welterweight fight and he's been kd
mitukczuk
8th to Diaz. Agreed with Mg - He needs throw that jab with auhtority. He bullied Khan this round though....Amir definitely feels his punches.
mitukczuk
9th Diaz. Khan looks uncomfortable and got hit with a nice left to the temple. Landed some shots too though. Diaz means business I am surprised.
mitukczuk
KHAN HURT.
mitukczuk
10th Diaz. Khan hurt twice. Once from a left hook, second was from a right hand.
mitukczuk
Khan hurt AGAIN !
mitukczuk
11th Diaz. Khan almost down. I smell robbery. But Khan is definitely not winning the fight.
mitukczuk
12th Even. Khan lost in my book.
mitukczuk
ROBBED - 114-113 , 115-113, 115-112 Khan is the winner.

I had it 115-113 Diaz. He knocked Khan down and had him hurt big time in two more rounds. Terrible decision in my opinion....but that was expected...


Although I despise Khan, I have to say I was really trying to see the improvement but it was not there. He just can't guard against left hooks. All his problems were caused by them. He drops his left when he jabs and he held his hands too far apart and almost invited those straights to land. I almost want to say he looked better under Roach. But styles make fights and Diaz certainly didn't come just to collect the paycheck...he came to win and he did...too bad he won on Khan's home turf...
Dolimite
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Apr 27 2013, 02:11 PM) *
ROBBED - 114-113 , 115-113, 115-112 Khan is the winner.

I had it 115-113 Diaz. He knocked Khan down and had him hurt big time in two more rounds. Terrible decision in my opinion....but that was expected...


Although I despise Khan, I have to say I was really trying to see the improvement but it was not there. He just can't guard against left hooks. All his problems were caused by them. He drops his left when he jabs and he held his hands too far apart and almost invited those straights to land. I almost want to say he looked better under Roach. But styles make fights and Diaz certainly didn't come just to collect the paycheck...he came to win and he did...too bad he won on Khan's home turf...

Did he call out Mayweather? I'm sure he did.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Apr 27 2013, 06:11 PM) *
ROBBED - 114-113 , 115-113, 115-112 Khan is the winner.

I had it 115-113 Diaz. He knocked Khan down and had him hurt big time in two more rounds. Terrible decision in my opinion....but that was expected...


Although I despise Khan, I have to say I was really trying to see the improvement but it was not there. He just can't guard against left hooks. All his problems were caused by them. He drops his left when he jabs and he held his hands too far apart and almost invited those straights to land. I almost want to say he looked better under Roach. But styles make fights and Diaz certainly didn't come just to collect the paycheck...he came to win and he did...too bad he won on Khan's home turf...

That begs the question, why weren't those flaws identified while he was with Roach?

I saw some moments of decidedly better defensive movement, but yes he still needs to work on things.
KOpower
It is what it is with Khan. He won't really be a different fighter. He needs to now go after the best of the best at 147 b/c he can get knocked out just as easily against lesser opposition. I think a rematch with Garcia would be good. A rematch with Peterson would be fine as well. A fight with Victor Ortiz would be fun.

Khan is a VERY exciting fighter. He will never be among the best p4p fighters in the world, but he is talented enough to beat anyone at 147.
mgrover
I had it 7-5 khan, but it was close an a round here or there could of easily gone to Diaz
Cshel86
Biscuit chin Khan still cant get it together...regardless of who he works with. Granted, he fought an exceptional game plan tonight, but he still seem to know what to do when it's time to reset after combinations, or deal with angles that his opponents give him.
mitukczuk
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Apr 27 2013, 07:59 PM) *
That begs the question, why weren't those flaws identified while he was with Roach?

I saw some moments of decidedly better defensive movement, but yes he still needs to work on things.


I think Roach saw the flaws - everybody sees them as they are so apparent, but he didn't know how to correct them. What I meant by my statement is that Amir looked more comfortable fighting Roach's gameplans. But on the other hand, Khan has been under Hunter for how long...2 fights? So there is still time. Something wasn't right with Khan in this fight though. I even turned off the commentary just to see the fight without the inevitable nutt hugging and to have a clear mind when scoring. Diaz took it clearly imo.

sduck
Amir Khan clearly won the fight, he didn't win it in dominating fashion, but he was up on the rounds. Diaz only won like three rounds, big rounds, but you have to take the entire fight, not just a round or two, that's just how the scoring goes. I was disappointed in Amir Khan, he tried to change his style up a bit, come off more patient, but it's really the exact same Amir Khan, the same flaws. People shit on Khan, but I think he has so much potential. All he needs to do is improve his defense, learn how to fight on the inside, keep his hands up, learn how to guard, especially guard that chin of his (his biggest weakness), and stop throwing such reckless shots that allows himself to get easily countered. He had so much potential, but shame for him, he's classified on the, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". Wasted talent.
mitukczuk
QUOTE (sduck @ Apr 28 2013, 03:11 AM) *
Amir Khan clearly won the fight, he didn't win it in dominating fashion, but he was up on the rounds. Diaz only won like three rounds, big rounds, but you have to take the entire fight, not just a round or two, that's just how the scoring goes. I was disappointed in Amir Khan, he tried to change his style up a bit, come off more patient, but it's really the exact same Amir Khan, the same flaws. People shit on Khan, but I think he has so much potential. All he needs to do is improve his defense, learn how to fight on the inside, keep his hands up, learn how to guard, especially guard that chin of his (his biggest weakness), and stop throwing such reckless shots that allows himself to get easily countered. He had so much potential, but shame for him, he's classified on the, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". Wasted talent.


I agree with you. Khan is a talent and I like the potential he possesses but that "flaw count" of his will be hardly corrected as these are pretty much fundamentals which should have been the very CORE of his boxing. Hunter can try to teach it to him, ut I don't think he will succeed. BUT Khan is 26 years old, there is still some time....and its never too late to learn.

As for the decision, I disagree. I think Diaz fought a much better fight than Khan and was tagging him all night long, had him hurt numerous times and even knocked him down. I stand by my 115-113 decision in favor of Diaz. I wasn't paying attention only to those rounds where Diaz hurt Khan. His gameplan just seemed executed much better than Khan's who fought just as he always does.
mgrover
one thing about khan is that he doesn't seem to fight at his full height, rather always crouch a little bit...
Franchize
QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 28 2013, 08:22 AM) *
one thing about khan is that he doesn't seem to fight at his full height, rather always crouch a little bit...

THIS! And he pulls str8 back despite having a bunch of foot speed. There's a difference between foot speed and foot work. Seems like every fighter outta the Freddy Roach pedigree do a great job of proving my point lol
daprofessor
khan has a very bad habit of dropping his hands everytime he opens up with a combination. this is a problem that cannot be fixed over night. it requires serious re-programming that could take a very very long time. even then....when the heat is on, he'll revert back to doing the same damn thing. i've noticed this for quite some time. his exciting offense needs to take the back seat to learning solid defense and not opening up so much when he throws in combination. i'm surprised he's made it to this level with such a big flaw.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Apr 28 2013, 12:09 PM) *
THIS! And he pulls str8 back despite having a bunch of foot speed. There's a difference between foot speed and foot work. Seems like every fighter outta the Freddy Roach pedigree do a great job of proving my point lol


to his credit...he isn't falling over that front foot the way he was when he was at the wildcard.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Apr 28 2013, 05:04 AM) *
I agree with you. Khan is a talent and I like the potential he possesses but that "flaw count" of his will be hardly corrected as these are pretty much fundamentals which should have been the very CORE of his boxing. Hunter can try to teach it to him, ut I don't think he will succeed. BUT Khan is 26 years old, there is still some time....and its never too late to learn.

As for the decision, I disagree. I think Diaz fought a much better fight than Khan and was tagging him all night long, had him hurt numerous times and even knocked him down. I stand by my 115-113 decision in favor of Diaz. I wasn't paying attention only to those rounds where Diaz hurt Khan. His gameplan just seemed executed much better than Khan's who fought just as he always does.


the major problem is that he and his family lack the understanding to see his flaws and they also lack the patience to correct them. he is so eager to conquer the world....he doesn't realize he is ill-equiped to do so.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Apr 27 2013, 07:59 PM) *
That begs the question, why weren't those flaws identified while he was with Roach?

I saw some moments of decidedly better defensive movement, but yes he still needs to work on things.


freddie is a good trainer...but like most trainers...they revert to "more" instead of careful look at mechanics and subtle changes. khan came to freddie extremely flawed....and added some little things to become better. probably the best thing they did for him while he was with freddie was match him appropriately to rebuild his confidence. they even got him a title in the process. that's all fine...but when it's time to step up, those flaws come back to bite u in the ass.

at this point...khan's flaws are being exposed more. he'd do himself a big favor by disappearing for a while and spending some serious time with virgil hunter and retool. he is young and can be something special...but he has to throw out the old...and make way for the new. he may have to give up a year of his career and the big paydays that come with it...but it will be well worth it when he comes back solid defensively.

ward did it when he let go of his hbo contract and flew under the radar fighting easy fights to help him develop his new style. khan can do the same...he just needs to be patient and trust what virgil is teaching him. his chin can use the break as well.
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