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mgrover
It's kinda hard to put someone in front of someone else but to just keep everyone to there own weight classes

Heavyweight - Tyson
Cruiserweight - Holyfield
Light heavyweight - Roy Jones Jr
Super middleweight - Roy Jones Jr
Middleweight - Hopkins
Light middleweight
Welterweight
Light welterweight
Lightweight
Junior lightweight
Featherweight
Junior Featherweight
Bantamweight
Super flyweight
Flyweight
Light flyweight
Minimumweight

Who was the greatest in these weight classes, I personally haven't seen enough to be able to honestly fill every single slot. Am supposed to be revising for an exam so ill finish the list later
daprofessor


Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield

Light heavyweight - Archie "The Mongoose" Moore

Super middleweight - Roy Jones Jr

Middleweight - Marvelous Marvin Hagler

Light middleweight - Tommy "Hitman" Hearns

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Light welterweight - Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Junior lightweight - Floyd Mayweather

Featherweight - Willie Pep

Junior Featherweight - Wilfredo Gomez

Bantamweight - Orlando Canizales

Super flyweight - Johnny Tapia

Flyweight - Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson

Light flyweight - Michael Carbajal

Minimumweight - Finito Lopez


The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 1 2013, 07:23 PM) *
Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield

Light heavyweight - Archie "The Mongoose" Moore

Super middleweight - Roy Jones Jr

Middleweight - Marvelous Marvin Hagler

Light middleweight - Tommy "Hitman" Hearns

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Light welterweight - Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Junior lightweight - Floyd Mayweather

Featherweight - Willie Pep

Junior Featherweight - Wilfredo Gomez

Bantamweight - Orlando Canizales

Super flyweight - Johnny Tapia

Flyweight - Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson

Light flyweight - Michael Carbajal

Minimumweight - Finito Lopez



Very, very respectable list. Well played friend.
daprofessor
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ May 1 2013, 09:23 PM) *
Very, very respectable list. Well played friend.


thanks.
mitukczuk
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 1 2013, 07:23 PM) *
Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield

Light heavyweight - Archie "The Mongoose" Moore

Super middleweight - Roy Jones Jr

Middleweight - Marvelous Marvin Hagler

Light middleweight - Tommy "Hitman" Hearns

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Light welterweight - Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Junior lightweight - Floyd Mayweather

Featherweight - Willie Pep

Junior Featherweight - Wilfredo Gomez

Bantamweight - Orlando Canizales

Super flyweight - Johnny Tapia

Flyweight - Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson

Light flyweight - Michael Carbajal

Minimumweight - Finito Lopez


I am joining Mr Factor here. Very nice list !!

I don't follow anything below Super Feather so I can't say anything about those divisions but I love to see Floyd being the choice in Super Feather. Hes got an awesome resume there. Id pick Marvelous Marvin over B-Hop in MW all day. That guy was the toughest and most determined fighter I have ever seen.
bnoles4life
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 1 2013, 07:23 PM) *
Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield

Light heavyweight - Archie "The Mongoose" Moore

Super middleweight - Roy Jones Jr

Middleweight - Marvelous Marvin Hagler

Light middleweight - Tommy "Hitman" Hearns

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Light welterweight - Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Junior lightweight - Floyd Mayweather

Featherweight - Willie Pep

Junior Featherweight - Wilfredo Gomez

Bantamweight - Orlando Canizales

Super flyweight - Johnny Tapia

Flyweight - Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson

Light flyweight - Michael Carbajal

Minimumweight - Finito Lopez


Even over Ricardo Lopez? Duuuuuuuuh, never mind. LOL.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ May 2 2013, 07:31 AM) *
I am joining Mr Factor here. Very nice list !!

I don't follow anything below Super Feather so I can't say anything about those divisions but I love to see Floyd being the choice in Super Feather. Hes got an awesome resume there. Id pick Marvelous Marvin over B-Hop in MW all day. That guy was the toughest and most determined fighter I have ever seen.


same here with hagler. in his day...he was a beast and highly feared. bhops consecutive defenses aren't on the level with haglers' reign.
daprofessor
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ May 2 2013, 08:48 AM) *
Even over Ricardo Lopez? Duuuuuuuuh, never mind. LOL.


laugh.gif i should have wrote his full name. i got lazy towards the end.
mgrover
I put Hopkins there because I haven't really seen much of Hagler, in all honesty it was just the fight with Hearns and the fight with Leonard, the list I've got up are people I've seen in my lifetime
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ May 2 2013, 03:45 PM) *
I put Hopkins there because I haven't really seen much of Hagler, in all honesty it was just the fight with Hearns and the fight with Leonard, the list I've got up are people I've seen in my lifetime




sduck
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 1 2013, 06:23 PM) *
Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield

Light heavyweight - Archie "The Mongoose" Moore

Super middleweight - Roy Jones Jr

Middleweight - Marvelous Marvin Hagler

Light middleweight - Tommy "Hitman" Hearns

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Light welterweight - Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Junior lightweight - Floyd Mayweather

Featherweight - Willie Pep

Junior Featherweight - Wilfredo Gomez

Bantamweight - Orlando Canizales

Super flyweight - Johnny Tapia

Flyweight - Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson

Light flyweight - Michael Carbajal

Minimumweight - Finito Lopez

You think Holyfield was better than Hopkins at Cruiserweight?

Oh shit you got Pep and Pryor on there too, pretty good list.
mitukczuk
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 2 2013, 03:17 PM) *
same here with hagler. in his day...he was a beast and highly feared. bhops consecutive defenses aren't on the level with haglers' reign.


Hagler's fight against Mugabi made me place him to the pinnacle of MW division. 6th round was....OH MY GOD ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23K7d5SWrPM

The Hawk on top of LWW is also a great choice. The best example of "i don't give a fuck" boxing attitude. That guy was hilarious!
daprofessor
QUOTE (sduck @ May 2 2013, 09:32 PM) *
You think Holyfield was better than Hopkins at Cruiserweight?

Oh shit you got Pep and Pryor on there too, pretty good list.


hopkins never fought at cruiser. he's fighting at light heavyweight. i'll let him finish his career before i make the decision on whether or not he ranks above archie moore at light heavy.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ May 3 2013, 02:11 AM) *
Hagler's fight against Mugabi made me place him to the pinnacle of MW division. 6th round was....OH MY GOD ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23K7d5SWrPM

The Hawk on top of LWW is also a great choice. The best example of "i don't give a fuck" boxing attitude. That guy was hilarious!


after hagler/hearns....hagler mugabi is my favorite hagler fight. what a war!!! hagler had steam coming off his head at the end of the bout! i love that fight!

the hawk was the reason roberto duran skipped 140. panama lewis made pryor promise he would never fight duran. imagine what that fight would have been like!!! the hawk was one of my favorites as a kid. bad dude.
mgrover
What was that guy called he was black, had a chopped top, devastating right hand maybe, wasn't he called the Hawk too? Maybe am remembering a completely fictional fighter. Think he fought at light middleweight
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ May 3 2013, 03:22 PM) *
What was that guy called he was black, had a chopped top, devastating right hand maybe, wasn't he called the Hawk too? Maybe am remembering a completely fictional fighter. Think he fought at light middleweight


julian jackson...yes.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 3 2013, 08:49 PM) *
julian jackson...yes.


clearly not the greatest, but he had one devastating right hand
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ May 3 2013, 04:45 PM) *
clearly not the greatest, but he had one devastating right hand


he could crack.
klonopinz
I know i might get my throat slit for saying this, but i thought winky wright was a great junior middleweight, and while its a weird weightclass, winky was the only true man to unifiy that division so far. Tommy hearns had a handful of fights at m154, but he moved up to middle and super middle after that and he remained there and upwards the rest of his career. he fought at weltweweight and middleweight many more tiems than he ever did as a junior middle. And his biggest fights were at those weights, not junior middle. I think its still a very young weightclass, and not much has been accomplished as compared to middleweight and welterweight, but if you view the history of this division, I think a modern boxer may deserve the goat crown. Just a thought.

And as far as middleweight goes, I also love marvin hagler and thought he was a tough middleweight, but do not forget the great carlos monzon. He was 87-3 as a middlweight, unified the division, and went undefeated for 15 years and over 70 fights.
daprofessor
QUOTE (klonopinz @ May 3 2013, 05:48 PM) *
I know i might get my throat slit for saying this, but i thought winky wright was a great junior middleweight, and while its a weird weightclass, winky was the only true man to unifiy that division so far. Tommy hearns had a handful of fights at m154, but he moved up to middle and super middle after that and he remained there and upwards the rest of his career. he fought at weltweweight and middleweight many more tiems than he ever did as a junior middle. And his biggest fights were at those weights, not junior middle. I think its still a very young weightclass, and not much has been accomplished as compared to middleweight and welterweight, but if you view the history of this division, I think a modern boxer may deserve the goat crown. Just a thought.

And as far as middleweight goes, I also love marvin hagler and thought he was a tough middleweight, but do not forget the great carlos monzon. He was 87-3 as a middlweight, unified the division, and went undefeated for 15 years and over 70 fights.


winky wright definitely had a great body of work at 154. the biggest name on his resume at the weight was fernando vargas which was a loss. he also loss to harry simon. he really doesn't have any wins over big names at the weight.

hearns on the other hand beat wilfredo benitez and ko'd roberto duran in devastating fashion. hard to top that at the weight.

i agree that not much has been accomplished at the weight in it's short history....but i can't think of any wins that top tommy's.

no doubt monzon was a great fighter. i have not seen enough footage of monzon to rate him above hagler. i'm sure there are people out there that can make the case for monzon.
happygocampy
Heavyweight - Joe Louis, in his prime i feel he was better than Ali, he could punch like a mule's kick and had amazing stamina bringing his power into the late rounds, an early Ali would get KO'd, a primed Ali's rope a dope would fail, imho of course.

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield. Pathetic weight class, no comment.

Light Heavyweight - Bob Foster, this guy was amazing at throwing fast, hard KO punches from blind angles most fighters never saw. He wouldn't just put guys down, he'd put guys out cold.

Super Middleweight - Roy Jones Jr, At this weight class, even with no chin he was simply amazing nobody else would be able to catch him in his prime.

Middleweight - Harry Greb, don't bother going to look for video of this guy, you won't find it. Going out on a limb just from reading a biography on him, this guy was pretty amazing. Fought with a blind right eye the last 5 years of his career and passed away at a young 32. If you were to ever read 1 book on a fighter, this guy's bio is worth the read.

Junior Middleweight - Thomas Hearns, even more of a beast @ Welter, but sadly wasn't the greatest there, but hell i'll call him the greatest Junior middle.

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson, no explanation needed.

Junior Welterweight - Aaron Pryor, This was a tough choice but lets be honest, this was Pryor's weight class.

Lightweight - Roberto Duran, this is the toughest division to choose, such rich history. I however think a young primed Duran may have been the best ever at this weight.

Junior lightweight - Floyd Mayweather, i actually wanted to put Arguello here, but i have to be honest, a prime Floyd would outbox a prime Arguello.

Featherweight - Willie Pep, no explanation needed.

Junior Featherweight - Wilfredo Gomez, the guy was just devastating, in his prime i don't think any other Junior Feather would have much chance standing against him.

Bantamweight - Tie, Eder Jofre and Carlos Zarate, Yet another history rich division. Jofre had quite a great run in this weight class and many would pick him over Zarate, he even retired, cameback fighting at Featherweight, looked amazing there and won a title.. Zarate was an absolute beast at this weight, he eventually moved up in weight to fight Wilfredo Gomez and got stopped. Even though Zarate was only 27 at the time he looked old and crappy in that fight. Too bad him and Jofre were 1 generation apart, would have liked to see that fight at this weight.

Super flyweight - Johnny Tapia, Honorable mention to Khaosai Galaxy, the guy had some pop, but Tapia was just a better boxer.

Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde, without question, old school but anyone who reads boxing history would agree.

Junior Flyweight - Michael Carbajal, wish he was born a decade earlier and we could have seen him fight Zapata and Chang. I think he was better than both, but they are definately worth mentioning.

Strawweight - Ricardo "El Finito" Lopez, no brainer, dominated the division and retired undefeated without any controversy.
sduck
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 3 2013, 02:00 PM) *
hopkins never fought at cruiser. he's fighting at light heavyweight. i'll let him finish his career before i make the decision on whether or not he ranks above archie moore at light heavy.

You're right, I got the weights confused.
The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 2 2013, 03:17 PM) *
same here with hagler. in his day...he was a beast and highly feared. bhops consecutive defenses aren't on the level with haglers' reign.

As a kid in the early 80's i was scared to death of Marvin hagler. You'd think I was getting ready to fight him. I felt really bad for the whoopin' Thomas hearns was about to recieve. Hagler just looked mean. i thought he was gonna break into my house, beat my dad to death and rape my mother. i was that scared of him. I got older and those Old Spice commercials tempered my fears much later on.
Plah
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ May 4 2013, 08:07 AM) *
As a kid in the early 80's i was scared to death of Marvin hagler. You'd think I was getting ready to fight him. I felt really bad for the whoopin' Thomas hearns was about to recieve. Hagler just looked mean. i thought he was gonna break into my house, beat my dad to death and rape my mother. i was that scared of him. I got older and those Old Spice commercials tempered my fears much later on.

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daprofessor
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ May 4 2013, 08:07 AM) *
As a kid in the early 80's i was scared to death of Marvin hagler. You'd think I was getting ready to fight him. I felt really bad for the whoopin' Thomas hearns was about to recieve. Hagler just looked mean. i thought he was gonna break into my house, beat my dad to death and rape my mother. i was that scared of him. I got older and those Old Spice commercials tempered my fears much later on.


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glad u got over your fear.
daprofessor
QUOTE (happygocampy @ May 4 2013, 01:54 AM) *
Heavyweight - Joe Louis, in his prime i feel he was better than Ali, he could punch like a mule's kick and had amazing stamina bringing his power into the late rounds, an early Ali would get KO'd, a primed Ali's rope a dope would fail, imho of course.

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield. Pathetic weight class, no comment.

Light Heavyweight - Bob Foster, this guy was amazing at throwing fast, hard KO punches from blind angles most fighters never saw. He wouldn't just put guys down, he'd put guys out cold.

Super Middleweight - Roy Jones Jr, At this weight class, even with no chin he was simply amazing nobody else would be able to catch him in his prime.

Middleweight - Harry Greb, don't bother going to look for video of this guy, you won't find it. Going out on a limb just from reading a biography on him, this guy was pretty amazing. Fought with a blind right eye the last 5 years of his career and passed away at a young 32. If you were to ever read 1 book on a fighter, this guy's bio is worth the read.

Junior Middleweight - Thomas Hearns, even more of a beast @ Welter, but sadly wasn't the greatest there, but hell i'll call him the greatest Junior middle.

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson, no explanation needed.

Junior Welterweight - Aaron Pryor, This was a tough choice but lets be honest, this was Pryor's weight class.

Lightweight - Roberto Duran, this is the toughest division to choose, such rich history. I however think a young primed Duran may have been the best ever at this weight.

Junior lightweight - Floyd Mayweather, i actually wanted to put Arguello here, but i have to be honest, a prime Floyd would outbox a prime Arguello.

Featherweight - Willie Pep, no explanation needed.

Junior Featherweight - Wilfredo Gomez, the guy was just devastating, in his prime i don't think any other Junior Feather would have much chance standing against him.

Bantamweight - Tie, Eder Jofre and Carlos Zarate, Yet another history rich division. Jofre had quite a great run in this weight class and many would pick him over Zarate, he even retired, cameback fighting at Featherweight, looked amazing there and won a title.. Zarate was an absolute beast at this weight, he eventually moved up in weight to fight Wilfredo Gomez and got stopped. Even though Zarate was only 27 at the time he looked old and crappy in that fight. Too bad him and Jofre were 1 generation apart, would have liked to see that fight at this weight.

Super flyweight - Johnny Tapia, Honorable mention to Khaosai Galaxy, the guy had some pop, but Tapia was just a better boxer.

Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde, without question, old school but anyone who reads boxing history would agree.

Junior Flyweight - Michael Carbajal, wish he was born a decade earlier and we could have seen him fight Zapata and Chang. I think he was better than both, but they are definately worth mentioning.

Strawweight - Ricardo "El Finito" Lopez, no brainer, dominated the division and retired undefeated without any controversy.


great list.
klonopinz
IM surprised nobody gave at least an honorabke mention to julio cesar chavez at lightweight and especially light welterweight. That guy has the longest underfeated streak and winning streak in boxing history. He also only truly ever lost to 2 guys in his prime, de la hoya and frankie randall. I thin k him vs aaron pryor at 140 would have been amazing.
Cshel86
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ May 4 2013, 08:07 AM) *
As a kid in the early 80's i was scared to death of Marvin hagler. You'd think I was getting ready to fight him. I felt really bad for the whoopin' Thomas hearns was about to recieve. Hagler just looked mean. i thought he was gonna break into my house, beat my dad to death and rape my mother. i was that scared of him. I got older and those Old Spice commercials tempered my fears much later on.

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