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daprofessor
first of all...i've never been a fan of guys making excuses...especially after they win!

these are the ones i've heard from floyd for the cotto fight.

1. he had the flu

2. he had a bad arm

3. he wanted to give the fans a good show so he chose to mix it up

and now this!!!

4. roger mayweather over trained him? his diabetes prevented him from seeing that floyd was over trained? wtf!? huh.gif

so now...i believe floyd is about to have another sub par performance...and while i don't believe it will be because he isn't a great fighter, i think it has more to do with age, inactivity and styles. i also believe he has some built in excuses.

first fight back with senior

too many push ups in jail. he actually said this on larry king and i called it when i saw the pics and heard he was doing a thousand push ups a day while he was locked up.

if floyd looks bad in winning...or even losing...there's no shame in that. i hope he's man enough to just accept it and give the man props.
mitukczuk
Let's just not get ahead of ourselves. I have actually never heard FLOYD himself say any of these excuses. And if he did say them, I take his "Id give myself a D- for my performance against Cotto" as a valid explanation. He actually critiqued himself....
mgrover
we'll see I guess, I don't like the Roger excuse tbh, sounds like utter bullshit, and that's just not right on a man whose brought you up from a long way is it now? Isn't Mayweather the one who goes on these stupidly long workouts and what not.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ May 3 2013, 04:09 PM) *
Let's just not get ahead of ourselves. I have actually never heard FLOYD himself say any of these excuses. And if he did say them, I take his "Id give myself a D- for my performance against Cotto" as a valid explanation. He actually critiqued himself....


i never heard him say the first two...but i read them here i believe.

the others i got from interviews.
klonopinz
the reason floyd has been overtrained for his last 4 fights since returning from retirement, i think has a lot to do with the fact that he is his own boss, and nobody can tell him shit. Hee needs a real trainer to sit there and watch him and tell him when enough is enough, but instead hes got that chump ass kisser ellerbe who is good for nothing, and you got roger who does his mitts and gives him advice, but is ultimately just another person who he tells what to do. Im glad his father is back with him so he can take control and tell him wats up. the fighter cant call his own shots, he needs someone to tell him wat to do because he cant see everything from one point of view. Anyway i'm just glad Floyd realized this, and hopefully well see a difference in the fight.
jtiizzle
floyd will look good in this fight, it ill be a stoppage
daprofessor
always nice to see new posters in the forum. big fights usually bring them out. welcome gentlemen.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 3 2013, 02:57 PM) *
first of all...i've never been a fan of guys making excuses...especially after they win!

these are the ones i've heard from floyd for the cotto fight.

1. he had the flu

2. he had a bad arm

3. he wanted to give the fans a good show so he chose to mix it up

and now this!!!

4. roger mayweather over trained him? his diabetes prevented him from seeing that floyd was over trained? wtf!? huh.gif

so now...i believe floyd is about to have another sub par performance...and while i don't believe it will be because he isn't a great fighter, i think it has more to do with age, inactivity and styles. i also believe he has some built in excuses.

first fight back with senior

too many push ups in jail. he actually said this on larry king and i called it when i saw the pics and heard he was doing a thousand push ups a day while he was locked up.

if floyd looks bad in winning...or even losing...there's no shame in that. i hope he's man enough to just accept it and give the man props.



I'd never make excuses for any fighter, Floyd didn't look as great as he normally look because Cotto looked so well and that is all there is to that story. Cotto was damn near born again by the time he got this fight, he had gotten his revenge on Margo and proved in essence that Antonio cheated vs him and he stopped him as well. Why people look past the type of motivation and vigor the victory over Margo gave him is beyond me.

Floyd is slowing down and that is no secret, look at him at 130 and now, in the Corrales fight he showed speed and defense mixed with his best offensive performance period (even better than against the defenseless Gatti), his speed was incredible with leg and hands.

If Floyd loses it will be because Guerrero just happens to be the better man on that night, no excuses whatsoever.
daprofessor
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ May 3 2013, 08:57 PM) *
I'd never make excuses for any fighter, Floyd didn't look as great as he normally look because Cotto looked so well and that is all there is to that story. Cotto was damn near born again by the time he got this fight, he had gotten his revenge on Margo and proved in essence that Antonio cheated vs him and he stopped him as well. Why people look past the type of motivation and vigor the victory over Margo gave him is beyond me.

Floyd is slowing down and that is no secret, look at him at 130 and now, in the Corrales fight he showed speed and defense mixed with his best offensive performance period (even better than against the defenseless Gatti), his speed was incredible with leg and hands.

If Floyd loses it will be because Guerrero just happens to be the better man on that night, no excuses whatsoever.


that's the way it should be.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 3 2013, 03:57 PM) *
first of all...i've never been a fan of guys making excuses...especially after they win!

these are the ones i've heard from floyd for the cotto fight.

1. he had the flu

2. he had a bad arm

3. he wanted to give the fans a good show so he chose to mix it up

and now this!!!

4. roger mayweather over trained him? his diabetes prevented him from seeing that floyd was over trained? wtf!? huh.gif

so now...i believe floyd is about to have another sub par performance...and while i don't believe it will be because he isn't a great fighter, i think it has more to do with age, inactivity and styles. i also believe he has some built in excuses.

first fight back with senior

too many push ups in jail. he actually said this on larry king and i called it when i saw the pics and heard he was doing a thousand push ups a day while he was locked up.

if floyd looks bad in winning...or even losing...there's no shame in that. i hope he's man enough to just accept it and give the man props.

I believed his reasons for being sick and having a hurt hand in the Cotto fight. Those type of excuses, or ANY type of excuses, should be used when a fighter WINS, not when they lose. As Brut mentioned, Cotto was new fighter in the Mayweather fight, so true.

As for this Guerrero fight, I'm still on the fence. Guerrero is the least bit intimidated, but on the other hand, he may be a bit too excited. I saw the way Katsidis (who he couldnt stop), Berto, and Aydin had him looking after the fight, one would argue that Floyd will mess his face up even worse.

On the other hand, Floyd has been extremely quiet (in most cases) and not wanting to be involved in the build-up...one would think that he had some doubts about this fight. Who knows? Floyd has seen a few variations of Guerrero...not sure if Guerrero has seen any variations of Floyd...other than that metric fuck-ton of crap BS that Berto tried to pull with the shoulder roll.

Again, it seems like Floyd is giving us some excuses up front, but on the other hand, it all seems like smokescreens. Guerrero's camp has been giving us some smokescreens as well.
sduck
Excuses can very well be legit. I know when I do something and it's not done as well as usual or the maximum then that means there's a an excuse/reason for that. If someone performs like how they usually do and still make excuses, then that's when you call bullshit.
mitukczuk
Where did you get these up front excuses? biggrin.gif I am following almost every video about Floyd these days and all I hear is that it was the best training camp, that he will be defensive, that his father is there to correct mistakes he did in the Cotto fight and that it was a D- performance. Nothing about him being hurt, ill, overtrained or whatever. Prior to every Floyd's fight there is a shit load of conspiracy theories. Nobody else is under so much scrutiny, it's ridiculous. Do people really want to see him lose so bad? I don't get it...

Since De la Hoya fight, people are coming up with reasons why Floyd should look underwhelming or this n that. If we must, let's look at both sides and invest the same amount of time into talking about excuses of the other fighters as well...

Yes, I am a fan of Floyd but if he loses, is it really such a big deal ?

By the way, Guerrero and Floyd looked both very good during the weigh in.
The Original MrFactor
I didnt think his performance against Cotto was bad at all. It went as expected. I think in that last round that he was a few shots away from putting Cotto down. Cotto's knees definitly buckled a coulpe of times.

if Roger is generating excuses, I hope he understands that this may have been Floyds toughest opponent... ever.
Franchize
End of the day, he won and gave Cotto credit for an excellent fight. I was most impressed that HE was the one pointing out his weaknesses in the all access. The great athletes don't need to lose to improve or point out their weaknesses. I think that was the main purpose of bringing Sr. back.
hitman
mayweather is a great fighter. period. however, the main reason he was in a dog fight with cotto is because cotto is that good. since he beat dlh, he fought hatton, blown up marquez, washed up mosley and victor ortiz. people were talking before the fight that mayweather was going to "gatti" miguel cotto, which was just ridiculous. cotto is far better than those other guys that mayweather fought and thats why he gave him such a good fight.

i didn't like all those excuses that were made either because they take credit away from cotto. jeff mayweather said floyd was bleeding from the nose because he had a cold. why you gotta make excuses for that? he was bleeding because he was eating a lot of jabs from one of the best jabbers in the game. just give credit where credit is due. he won fair and square. no excuses needed.
BrutUalBK
Shouldn't we now be asking about Robert Guerrero's excuses for why he lost??
daprofessor
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ May 4 2013, 02:19 AM) *
Where did you get these up front excuses? biggrin.gif I am following almost every video about Floyd these days and all I hear is that it was the best training camp, that he will be defensive, that his father is there to correct mistakes he did in the Cotto fight and that it was a D- performance. Nothing about him being hurt, ill, overtrained or whatever. Prior to every Floyd's fight there is a shit load of conspiracy theories. Nobody else is under so much scrutiny, it's ridiculous. Do people really want to see him lose so bad? I don't get it...

Since De la Hoya fight, people are coming up with reasons why Floyd should look underwhelming or this n that. If we must, let's look at both sides and invest the same amount of time into talking about excuses of the other fighters as well...

Yes, I am a fan of Floyd but if he loses, is it really such a big deal ?

By the way, Guerrero and Floyd looked both very good during the weigh in.


the excuses are from various sources...interviews, videos etc...and from his own mouth.

last night...he had none. he looked amazing. well...if you want to count the part about not getting the ko because he hurt his hand..u can count that as an excuse, but i won't. that was a brilliant display of boxing.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 5 2013, 05:31 PM) *
the excuses are from various sources...interviews, videos etc...and from his own mouth.

last night...he had none. he looked amazing. well...if you want to count the part about not getting the ko because he hurt his hand..u can count that as an excuse, but i won't. that was a brilliant display of boxing.


I'd buy that hand hurt as an excuse except for 2 things: 1. Floyd has a history of hand issue problems so it's no secret that it is possible. 2. He was popping RG in the forehead all night and that is the hardest part of the head and not to mention that you could see he went back to the corner after (i forget which round) shaking his hand and when his father asked he didn't come correct but later in the post fight said he did hurt it.

Guerrero get schooled and his father said that he (Robert) got robbed. LOL
Franchize
I told you guys in the 10th round that he'd hurt his hand...plus he showed his hand. It looked like a balloon. I was surprised when the x-rays checked out negative. I was almost sure that thing was broken.
daprofessor
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ May 5 2013, 08:07 PM) *
I'd buy that hand hurt as an excuse except for 2 things: 1. Floyd has a history of hand issue problems so it's no secret that it is possible. 2. He was popping RG in the forehead all night and that is the hardest part of the head and not to mention that you could see he went back to the corner after (i forget which round) shaking his hand and when his father asked he didn't come correct but later in the post fight said he did hurt it.

Guerrero get schooled and his father said that he (Robert) got robbed. LOL


i'm not denying he hurt his hand. i saw it and called it right when it happened. i'm just saying...he doesn't need to make any excuses...and i won't make any excuses for him either...for such a brilliant display of boxing. the ko didn't need to happen.
Cshel86
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ May 4 2013, 02:19 AM) *
Where did you get these up front excuses? biggrin.gif I am following almost every video about Floyd these days and all I hear is that it was the best training camp, that he will be defensive, that his father is there to correct mistakes he did in the Cotto fight and that it was a D- performance. Nothing about him being hurt, ill, overtrained or whatever. Prior to every Floyd's fight there is a shit load of conspiracy theories. Nobody else is under so much scrutiny, it's ridiculous. Do people really want to see him lose so bad? I don't get it...

Since De la Hoya fight, people are coming up with reasons why Floyd should look underwhelming or this n that. If we must, let's look at both sides and invest the same amount of time into talking about excuses of the other fighters as well...

Yes, I am a fan of Floyd but if he loses, is it really such a big deal ?

By the way, Guerrero and Floyd looked both very good during the weigh in.

What are you talking about, he mentioned some of this stuff in the post-fight presser of the Cotto fight.
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