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mgrover
Before this khan seemed pretty solid, no problems or even overly.huge problems under ariza but now even blown up lightweights are hurting him. Could this switch of made a difference?
checkleft
QUOTE (mgrover @ May 16 2013, 07:45 PM) *
Before this khan seemed pretty solid, no problems or even overly.huge problems under ariza but now even blown up lightweights are hurting him. Could this switch of made a difference?

I think that may be the case. Idk what arizas methods are but if you want to be an elite athletes you better respect all aspects of training and preparation especially strength and conditioning in a sport like boxing. And khan looked stronger as well with ariza.
mrchitown
I don't think Ariza's lack of presence in Khan's camp has anything to do with his issues. The problems he's having have always been there. You can't strength and condition a weak chin
mex4life
QUOTE (mrchitown @ May 17 2013, 02:16 AM) *
I don't think Ariza's lack of presence in Khan's camp has anything to do with his issues. The problems he's having have always been there. You can't strength and condition a weak chin

very well said...
mgrover
QUOTE (mrchitown @ May 17 2013, 07:16 AM) *
I don't think Ariza's lack of presence in Khan's camp has anything to do with his issues. The problems he's having have always been there. You can't strength and condition a weak chin


You can't but you can take weight off in the right way and recently Khan seems more interested in looking ripped more then anything else. Same with Pac that fight and the fight before he didn't bother with strength and conditioning that much and look were it got him, not to take anything from Marquez but at that level you need to be on top form on all sides of the game
mrchitown
QUOTE (mgrover @ May 17 2013, 04:29 AM) *
You can't but you can take weight off in the right way and recently Khan seems more interested in looking ripped more then anything else. Same with Pac that fight and the fight before he didn't bother with strength and conditioning that much and look were it got him, not to take anything from Marquez but at that level you need to be on top form on all sides of the game


I agree with you about his sudden love for his body image, but he was chinny before during and after Ariza, Maidana was ripping him with vicious shots and I give credit to the work that he did with Ariza for keeping him up. But even with Ariza, the element of him getting KTFO was still there
Cshel86
Khan does need Ariza. That dude has been looking a bit top-heavy in his last few fights.

As MG mentioned, some of these guys need strength & conditioning coaches. Some fighters need them more than others, and honestly, I have no problem with them. Its when a "strength & conditioning coach" comes around, and PEDs are highly suspected, then that's when I have an issue with it.
daprofessor
what khan needs is the right combination and communication between trainer/management/promoter and match maker to get him the right bouts before they cash him out.

at this point...he is what he is. he has the best trainer a guy could have to teach him what he's missing. problem is...khan is his own worst enemy. he lacks the patience and understanding. the changes he needs to make take time. the big fights will come...but in the mean time, he needs to learn to defend that weak chin. limit his aggression and exchanges and stop putting himself in vulnerable positions. the changes he needs to make are not going to occur solely in an 8 week camp. he needs to be working on these things daily under a watchful eye of someone who understands what needs to be done. that is virgil. but khan is already talking mayweather. he's a fool. garcia and matthysse are going to war with each other...and there is no way in hell khan beats the winner of that match.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 20 2013, 08:31 PM) *
what khan needs is the right combination and communication between trainer/management/promoter and match maker to get him the right bouts before they cash him out.

at this point...he is what he is. he has the best trainer a guy could have to teach him what he's missing. problem is...khan is his own worst enemy. he lacks the patience and understanding. the changes he needs to make take time. the big fights will come...but in the mean time, he needs to learn to defend that weak chin. limit his aggression and exchanges and stop putting himself in vulnerable positions. the changes he needs to make are not going to occur solely in an 8 week camp. he needs to be working on these things daily under a watchful eye of someone who understands what needs to be done. that is virgil. but khan is already talking mayweather. he's a fool. garcia and matthysse are going to war with each other...and there is no way in hell khan beats the winner of that match.


depends how much this war is going to take out doesnt it.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ May 21 2013, 06:52 AM) *
depends how much this war is going to take out doesnt it.


i get the feeling the matthysse/garcia fight isn't going past 5 rounds. they may take something out of each other. that remains to be seen.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 21 2013, 10:44 PM) *
i get the feeling the matthysse/garcia fight isn't going past 5 rounds. they may take something out of each other. that remains to be seen.


They both have fairly devastating power. Matthysse him my eyes seems to have more? But Garcia is no slouch in the department obviously.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 21 2013, 05:44 PM) *
i get the feeling the matthysse/garcia fight isn't going past 5 rounds. they may take something out of each other. that remains to be seen.

Depending on how long the fight goes lol, I hope it goes a while tho for entertainment purposes
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ May 21 2013, 06:59 PM) *
Depending on how long the fight goes lol, I hope it goes a while tho for entertainment purposes


anytime we see a fight like this....there's always the strong possibility they both come out wrecked/diminished.

cotto/margarito, rios/alvarez, vasquez/marquez are just a few that come to mind.
Col Reb
It will be interesting to see if Bradley-Provodnikov will be the same way? I sure hope not.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Col Reb @ May 27 2013, 10:39 PM) *
It will be interesting to see if Bradley-Provodnikov will be the same way? I sure hope not.


this fight is the reason i'm picking marquez to beat bradley.
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