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BoxingEinstein
Here's a clear cut question I have been yearning to ask of people as a boxing fan, one from another. Should Lucas be in the Top 10 or Top 15 P4P for if/when he beats Garcia in impressive fashion?


I say take out Donaire, move up Rigo and move up Lucas in 11 cusps of the Top 10. IMO

What ya think?
Marcus
I'm not talking about p4p rankings. That's like asking for a persons opinion on music. Each person has their own personal bias.

However I do feel as though everyone is underestimating DSG and that's who I'm rooting for although I give the edge to Matthysse. Not accusing anyone of anything but there better be drug testing for this fight.

If boxing didn't have so much politics id also love to see:

Matthysse vs. Providnikov/Rios/Alvarado

I wonder if Broner will go after the top at 140 if he wins his fight with Paulie.


P.S. - did anyone see how Richard Schafer sucked Mattysses dick yesterday in the post fight interview?! Balls in his mouth and all... Damn let Mattysse breath. Schafer makes me sick you're a promoter of both guys. I understand you wan a specific fighter to win because you know they will generate more money but keep that shit discrete you're a professional.
In the epilogue to Mayweather Guerrero Leonard Ellerbe was begun inning to annoy me as well talking about "I'm making more money than your son". Let the fighters trash talk. Let the trainers trash talk. Goes back to the ether that Gabriel Rosado laud out on Ellerbe- "nothing more than a spit bucket man in a suit".
mitukczuk
QUOTE (Marcus @ May 19 2013, 05:58 AM) *
In the epilogue to Mayweather Guerrero Leonard Ellerbe was begun inning to annoy me as well talking about "I'm making more money than your son".


RG's father started that bullshit with saying that LE looks scared. The money response was actually quite spot on and funny. The whole locker room scene was hilarious imo.

Anyways, for some reason, same as C'shel, I am not sold on Matthysse no matter who he fights and in what style he wins a fight. He is a good fighter and all and that's ok but i can't see him getting bigger. However, I would not rank him at any particular place but I think he is in TOP 15 P4P...... although I don't really give a damn about P4P.
mgrover
If he stays at 140 I think he could dominate if he beats Garcia
Dolimite
To answer your question: P4P list is a popularity contest. Hell some list still have Manny P. in the top 5! So that tells you that bias exist. Lucas has a great resume and his KO percentage is the best in boxing. But you also have to put asses in the stands and be marketable. That is the part he needs to work on. I like him as a fighter and I think he takes Danny to school.
sduck
QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ May 19 2013, 05:23 AM) *
Here's a clear cut question I have been yearning to ask of people as a boxing fan, one from another. Should Lucas be in the Top 10 or Top 15 P4P for if/when he beats Garcia in impressive fashion?


I say take out Donaire, move up Rigo and move up Lucas in 11 cusps of the Top 10. IMO

What ya think?

It will solidify himself as the best 140 pounder, yeah.
Jovi
I really like Matthysse , he's a beast i didn't think the fight would end so fast but i did think he would beat Peterson. I love how they traded hooks but Matthysse just ate it and gave Lamont a faster and stronger hook that just made him forget he even threw the hook and Lamont was the one on steroids laugh.gif . To me he already is top P4P, definitely the best at 140 for me.

But he can be beat by someone who is smart, strong, and fast. For someone to beat Matthysse they will need to be a boxer who can box all 12 rounds and has a great i repeat GREAT defense, they will need to be strong enough to rock him and keep him at bay because this dude just doesn't stop, the speed will be a key factor with being in and out on him. Matthysse is one of the best brawlers out there now, him and GGG are in the same category for me but Matthysse has accomplished more professionally for now.

I don't think Danny Garcia beats Matthysse, not for 1 second. I like Garcia but hes bloody at the end of every fight. Matthysse has been destroying his opponents and looking good doing it. I just dont think Garcia can survive the war. Matthysse has people fighting his fight even before the fight starts.

This would be a great fight for Broner to prove he is Elite. If anyone can CLEARLY beat Matthysse then he is a forced to be reckoned with.
Cshel86
What is a P4P list?
BoxingEinstein
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 19 2013, 11:51 AM) *
What is a P4P list?

Lmao! I understand that morbid hype inducing fanboys have destroyed the meaning and status of the P4P thing. P4P to me is a wide variety of things but only certain fighters are in that category. It depends on level of opponent, skill level, performance wise how effective were they,weight class and classes

. Lucas has most of the boxing world on red alert with his performances. I think no one thought Peterson was going to get starched like that, the man has proven to be very durable. I thought Lucas was going to lose by close decision since Lamont is an all around good fighter.Everything he's done is proving me wrong.
BoxingEinstein
QUOTE (Jovi @ May 19 2013, 11:07 AM) *
I really like Matthysse , he's a beast i didn't think the fight would end so fast but i did think he would beat Peterson. I love how they traded hooks but Matthysse just ate it and gave Lamont a faster and stronger hook that just made him forget he even threw the hook and Lamont was the one on steroids laugh.gif . To me he already is top P4P, definitely the best at 140 for me.

But he can be beat by someone who is smart, strong, and fast. For someone to beat Matthysse they will need to be a boxer who can box all 12 rounds and has a great i repeat GREAT defense, they will need to be strong enough to rock him and keep him at bay because this dude just doesn't stop, the speed will be a key factor with being in and out on him. Matthysse is one of the best brawlers out there now, him and GGG are in the same category for me but Matthysse has accomplished more professionally for now.

I don't think Danny Garcia beats Matthysse, not for 1 second. I like Garcia but hes bloody at the end of every fight. Matthysse has been destroying his opponents and looking good doing it. I just dont think Garcia can survive the war. Matthysse has people fighting his fight even before the fight starts.

This would be a great fight for Broner to prove he is Elite. If anyone can CLEARLY beat Matthysse then he is a forced to be reckoned with.

Agreed, although can Broners chin hold up for 12 rounds would be the gamble. Broner likes to punch it out but he has shown some defensive techniques that can help save him from taking punishment or getting KO'd.
I dont see no one at 140 beating him, he forces exchange by either switching his fighting hand (he's right handed but dropped and stopped Lamont with all left hooks) , put on non stop pressure, his power seems to have a build up or concussive effect, has a great chin, and he isn't gun shy. Whoever boxes for 12 rounds will have to deal with his power at some point it all depends on their durability.
bnoles4life
QUOTE (mitukczuk @ May 19 2013, 07:06 AM) *
RG's father started that bullshit with saying that LE looks scared. The money response was actually quite spot on and funny. The whole locker room scene was hilarious imo.

Anyways, for some reason, same as C'shel, I am not sold on Matthysse no matter who he fights and in what style he wins a fight. He is a good fighter and all and that's ok but i can't see him getting bigger. However, I would not rank him at any particular place but I think he is in TOP 15 P4P...... although I don't really give a damn about P4P.


Hilarious...he was like, "Are you kidding me? I'm a 7 figure dude...I'm making more than your son is making..." Did you see Robert look over at him? Moreover, Reuben didn't say dick afterwards...the first time he was silenced.

Lastly, i know we've addressed this, but the Guerrero clan looked stupid (all except the guy who went to witness Floyd's hand wraps) w/ all that "I thought you were gonna go toe to toe" BS. I mean, that's just stupid. How did your son's/husband's face get like that, solely off of running and holding?
Jovi
QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ May 19 2013, 12:39 PM) *
Agreed, although can Broners chin hold up for 12 rounds would be the gamble. Broner likes to punch it out but he has shown some defensive techniques that can help save him from taking punishment or getting KO'd.
I dont see no one at 140 beating him, he forces exchange by either switching his fighting hand (he's right handed but dropped and stopped Lamont with all left hooks) , put on non stop pressure, his power seems to have a build up or concussive effect, has a great chin, and he isn't gun shy. Whoever boxes for 12 rounds will have to deal with his power at some point it all depends on their durability.


That's exactly why whoever beats Matthysse has to be GREAT. Being good against Matthysse gonna get you knocked on your ass. I'm not really sure IF Broner can do it, but if he could then all the questions about him would be answered. If not then All hail Matthysse, i know Mayweather aint going to 140 to fight him.
mrchitown
Matthyse is a force to be reckoned with no matter who he fights, Danny has a chance at beating him, I'm not going to fall in love with Matthyse just because he's KO'ing people. It's actually a pick'em fight to me because on one hand you have Matthyse who can end the bout with either hand and he will keep coming forward until he the final bell but Danny is a winner. He kinda reminds me of Joe Montana in the sense that neither have one aspect of their game where you can point out and say their elite at. Montana wasn't really athletic, he didn't have the best arm but give him 40 secs and 1 timeout and he's going to win the game

Same thing with Danny, he doesn't have the best footwork and physically he's not as gifted as some but he always finds a way to win. I disagree with those who think Matthyse is going to go in there and just get at Danny, it's going to be a good fight if and when it takes place and who ever wins has quite a lot to look forward to
Col Reb
If Matthysse destroys Garcia, does that put him in line for Floyd if he goes to 147? That's the elephant in this thread.
BoxingEinstein
QUOTE (Col Reb @ May 19 2013, 10:37 PM) *
If Matthysse destroys Garcia, does that put him in line for Floyd if he goes to 147? That's the elephant in this thread.

I think it merits that he deserves a shot at Floyd, I mean why not? Floyds true weight is 140 anyways. Lucas would have wins IMO Alexander, Judah, Chop Chop, Soto, Ajose, Peterson, and Garcia. His resume would be better than most opponents that Floyd has fought resume. Not only that but how he won is what matters too. A KO is the most definite clear win, next to a unaninmous decision. He beat down, dropped constantly, and stopped a very very durable, usually gives most fighters hell, and still good gatekeeper veteran in Corley. He lost two close decision/split losses that I believe he should have won.(Although Judah fight could've gone the other way too). And the list keeps piling up,his resume alone at that point and his performances in his wins is what gets him in line.

Floyd UD's him, Mayweather has a very underrated chin, almost parallel to Lucas' own underrated ability to box since its overshadowed by his power; as with Floyd doesn't get hit cleanly often on the chin but has shown to take some good punches.
It would be an interesting fight because Matthysse's power will be the wildcard and his ability to box. No way he outboxes Floyd but if he hits cleanly his power has the effect to change the entire fight. Mayweathers defense vs Matthysses offensive arsenal.
The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ May 19 2013, 07:36 PM) *
Matthyse is a force to be reckoned with no matter who he fights, Danny has a chance at beating him, I'm not going to fall in love with Matthyse just because he's KO'ing people. It's actually a pick'em fight to me because on one hand you have Matthyse who can end the bout with either hand and he will keep coming forward until he the final bell but Danny is a winner. He kinda reminds me of Joe Montana in the sense that neither have one aspect of their game where you can point out and say their elite at. Montana wasn't really athletic, he didn't have the best arm but give him 40 secs and 1 timeout and he's going to win the game

Same thing with Danny, he doesn't have the best footwork and physically he's not as gifted as some but he always finds a way to win. I disagree with those who think Matthyse is going to go in there and just get at Danny, it's going to be a good fight if and when it takes place and who ever wins has quite a lot to look forward to



I agree. Matthysse is pretty good. I like Kotelnik a lot better skillwise. This just tells me thatthose boys from Argentina can fight. They must have a pretty good amateur program.
mrchitown
QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ May 20 2013, 12:18 AM) *
I think it merits that he deserves a shot at Floyd, I mean why not? Floyds true weight is 140 anyways. Lucas would have wins IMO Alexander, Judah, Chop Chop, Soto, Ajose, Peterson, and Garcia. His resume would be better than most opponents that Floyd has fought resume. Not only that but how he won is what matters too. A KO is the most definite clear win, next to a unaninmous decision. He beat down, dropped constantly, and stopped a very very durable, usually gives most fighters hell, and still good gatekeeper veteran in Corley. He lost two close decision/split losses that I believe he should have won.(Although Judah fight could've gone the other way too). And the list keeps piling up,his resume alone at that point and his performances in his wins is what gets him in line.

Floyd UD's him, Mayweather has a very underrated chin, almost parallel to Lucas' own underrated ability to box since its overshadowed by his power; as with Floyd doesn't get hit cleanly often on the chin but has shown to take some good punches.
It would be an interesting fight because Matthysse's power will be the wildcard and his ability to box. No way he outboxes Floyd but if he hits cleanly his power has the effect to change the entire fight. Mayweathers defense vs Matthysses offensive arsenal.


Would be the deciding factor in a fight between the two because both are very exceptional in those areas but I also agree that Mayweather takes him on points, BUT it will be interesting until the final bell due to Matthsye's punching power
mrchitown
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ May 20 2013, 05:54 AM) *
I agree. Matthysse is pretty good. I like Kotelnik a lot better skillwise. This just tells me thatthose boys from Argentina can fight. They must have a pretty good amateur program.


What ever happen to Kotelnik? I haven't heard much of him lately.....Argentina boxing is on the rise, they got some great fighters coming out of there
neophyte7
QUOTE (Jovi @ May 19 2013, 03:51 PM) *
That's exactly why whoever beats Matthysse has to be GREAT. Being good against Matthysse gonna get you knocked on your ass. I'm not really sure IF Broner can do it, but if he could then all the questions about him would be answered. If not then All hail Matthysse, i know Mayweather aint going to 140 to fight him.



??? GREAT. Judah beat him. Man.. amazing how a KO gets people all worked up. Anyone who beats him has to be great LMAO-- that is going a bit too far..
Franchize
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ May 20 2013, 09:30 AM) *
??? GREAT. Judah beat him. Man.. amazing how a KO gets people all worked up. Anyone who beats him has to be great LMAO-- that is going a bit too far..


WAY too far lol. I mean regardless of any opinions on the decisions, he's loss before vs guys who aren't great.
neophyte7
QUOTE (Franchize @ May 20 2013, 09:37 AM) *
WAY too far lol. I mean regardless of any opinions on the decisions, he's loss before vs guys who aren't great.




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Jovi
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ May 20 2013, 09:30 AM) *
??? GREAT. Judah beat him. Man.. amazing how a KO gets people all worked up. Anyone who beats him has to be great LMAO-- that is going a bit too far..


DONT EVEN FRONT!!! Devon was a gift. Judah put up a good fight at the beginning then was getting figured out and got knocked down. I wouldn't say Judah actually put a beating him but he did win the fight. If you put Judah or Alexander in the ring with Matthysse again who do you think would win...ill wait. Devon was after Judah and he's gotten better since then exponentially, he doesn't let the fight go to the judges anymore. He has a sense of urgency right when the bell for round 1 goes off. Very dangerous for any fighter.

He seemed kinda like the underdog for the fight against Peterson. Even though i thought he would win impressively people thought he would get beat by another close decision. Peterson could be someone who is considered GOOD or VERY GOOD in many's eyes.

Name me one person who is good but not elite that could actually put a beatdown on Matthysse and win DECISIVELY. Like Bernard Hopkins said, to beat Matthysse you need to be PERFECT. A Great BOXER with Excellent defense, foot movement to get around Matthysse, speed, accuracy, and just enough Power is going to be the only way you can beat. Excellent defense is the key. Matthysse is a great Brawler but Brain usually beat Brawn.

He got compared to Pacquiao but Matthysse knocks out Pacquiao clean. and its not just 1 KO. its the 32 KOs out of 34 Wins.
neophyte7
QUOTE (Jovi @ May 20 2013, 12:41 PM) *
DONT EVEN FRONT!!! Devon was a gift. Judah put up a good fight at the beginning then was getting figured out and got knocked down. I wouldn't say Judah actually put a beating him but he did win the fight. If you put Judah or Alexander in the ring with Matthysse again who do you think would win...ill wait. Devon was after Judah and he's gotten better since then exponentially, he doesn't let the fight go to the judges anymore. He has a sense of urgency right when the bell for round 1 goes off. Very dangerous for any fighter.

He seemed kinda like the underdog for the fight against Peterson. Even though i thought he would win impressively people thought he would get beat by another close decision. Peterson could be someone who is considered GOOD or VERY GOOD in many's eyes.

Name me one person who is good but not elite that could actually put a beatdown on Matthysse and win DECISIVELY. Like Bernard Hopkins said, to beat Matthysse you need to be PERFECT. A Great BOXER with Excellent defense, foot movement to get around Matthysse, speed, accuracy, and just enough Power is going to be the only way you can beat. Excellent defense is the key. Matthysse is a great Brawler but Brain usually beat Brawn.

He got compared to Pacquiao but Matthysse knocks out Pacquiao clean. and its not just 1 KO. its the 32 KOs out of 34 Wins.



BRO... I hear you. Matthysee is very formidable.. dangerous... but he has been beaten. he had a good night but LET ME PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE.. your mouth said, "you have to be great" to beat Matthysee... Now if you made a typo fine... It ws pointed out he has been beaten by guys not "great". Now your emphasis is on Hopkins saying you have to be perfect. A fighter who is not great can execute a "perfect" game plan. Peterson was devoid of power and he ran up in his ass.. He did not do that with a "not great" nor anywhere near "perfect" JUDAH and lost.
Thebruntje
QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ May 20 2013, 07:18 AM) *
I think it merits that he deserves a shot at Floyd, I mean why not? Floyds true weight is 140 anyways. Lucas would have wins IMO Alexander, Judah, Chop Chop, Soto, Ajose, Peterson, and Garcia. His resume would be better than most opponents that Floyd has fought resume. Not only that but how he won is what matters too. A KO is the most definite clear win, next to a unaninmous decision. He beat down, dropped constantly, and stopped a very very durable, usually gives most fighters hell, and still good gatekeeper veteran in Corley. He lost two close decision/split losses that I believe he should have won.(Although Judah fight could've gone the other way too). And the list keeps piling up,his resume alone at that point and his performances in his wins is what gets him in line.

Floyd UD's him, Mayweather has a very underrated chin, almost parallel to Lucas' own underrated ability to box since its overshadowed by his power; as with Floyd doesn't get hit cleanly often on the chin but has shown to take some good punches.
It would be an interesting fight because Matthysse's power will be the wildcard and his ability to box. No way he outboxes Floyd but if he hits cleanly his power has the effect to change the entire fight. Mayweathers defense vs Matthysses offensive arsenal.

Well i think a guy like Matthysse is what Mayweather needed to complete his legacy! Matthysse will definitely destroy every single fighter at 140, so after taking care of Garcia he will probably have another fight and then move to 147 challenging Mayweather! People will not be able to criticise Mayweather because of Matthysse's resume and the fact that he is so heavy handed, the weight issue won't be present so negotiations should be easy ! Matthysse will be a perfect opponent to make Mayweather showcase his skills! Mayweather will have to work every single moment of every single round in a very tough fight but at the same time i see him putting a masterful performance thanks to matthysse overly agression !
Jovi
QUOTE (neophyte7 @ May 20 2013, 12:53 PM) *
BRO... I hear you. Matthysee is very formidable.. dangerous... but he has been beaten. he had a good night but LET ME PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE.. your mouth said, "you have to be great" to beat Matthysee... Now if you made a typo fine... It ws pointed out he has been beaten by guys not "great". Now your emphasis is on Hopkins saying you have to be perfect. A fighter who is not great can execute a "perfect" game plan. Peterson was devoid of power and he ran up in his ass.. He did not do that with a "not great" nor anywhere near "perfect" JUDAH and lost.


No doubt, it does come down to the game plan. I'm not speaking on past tense, Im speaking present tense. To beat Matthysse NOW, whoever is the man to do it will need to be great. I mean in training camp, mentally, and in the ring. The reason Judah won before was because Matthysse was fighting Judah's fight and actually tried boxing him, Judah got the quick hands so he made use of them.....But the KD is what throws me off for Judah, he may have won but Matthysse didn't seem like a beaten man, if they're were 3 rounds to the classic 15 rounds Judah may not have won. Matthysse has the ability to adjust. And he's improved! I wouldn't care much about Matthysse if he was the same fighter he was when he fought Judah because he wouldn't have shown improvement. Greatness is about growth. If someone came in with Judah tactics again they will probably end up on the floor like Peterson did.

I was just tryna say that Matthysse is game, i recognize the skills and i can see that he's improved and keeps getting better and probably most important asset is to adjust in the ring. And that for anyone at 135-147 is in danger of taking an L. I thought he was pretty good and he turned out to be better than i thought.

Mayweather is an obvious for who could beat him but the only question i have is what happens when he gets hits by Matthysse. Did you see the sparring footage with Sergio getting cracked on and getting backed down by Matthysse. Mayweather's clinching messes up some opponents but Matthysse would probably love it. Like i said before Matthysse can adjust, and with his new sense of urgency he's always thinking of how to end that fight as quickly as possible.

I cant stand when fighters aren't smart enough to adjust (Pacquiao, Martinez, Donaire, Trout, the list goes on). Those that do i sometimes favor them.
daprofessor
don't get me wrong...i like matthysse. i've always thought he was a good fighter. i've been in the gym with him and one of my guys sparred him so i've seen what he's capable of up close.

he's not invincible the way the commentators were making him out to be. he's very beatable....very wide open. he just has not fought someone willing to step into the pocket to exploit his flaws who has the tools/balls to do so. i expect him and danny to put on a spectacular fight. i think it will be a toss up and i can't wait to see it.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 20 2013, 03:11 PM) *
don't get me wrong...i like matthysse. i've always thought he was a good fighter. i've been in the gym with him and one of my guys sparred him so i've seen what he's capable of up close.

he's not invincible the way the commentators were making him out to be. he's very beatable....very wide open. he just has not fought someone willing to step into the pocket to exploit his flaws who has the tools/balls to do so. i expect him and danny to put on a spectacular fight. i think it will be a toss up and i can't wait to see it.

I always knew there was a chance lamont would get caught cold early, it happens to him a lot. It usually takes him a while to get going. I liked his chances better if the fight went to deep waters

Yes the announcers were on his Dick. But I wouldn't say he's "Wide open". He has alright head movement and his punches are pretty straight. But he is open, and I think a lot of that has to do with his chin, its like he wants to eat the shot because he knows he can take it.

It would be interesting to see what that Crawford kid could do against matthysse, he looked very skilled and slick against Prescott.
mgrover
Peterson isn't as good as people make out, who has he beaten? Khan? Lets forget about the steds, and the bullshit point deductions. Holt? Well he's been beaten to that. On his best day I doubt he could beat a lot of the 140lbers, but lets wait and see till he fights Judah lol
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ May 20 2013, 06:58 PM) *
I always knew there was a chance lamont would get caught cold early, it happens to him a lot. It usually takes him a while to get going. I liked his chances better if the fight went to deep waters

Yes the announcers were on his Dick. But I wouldn't say he's "Wide open". He has alright head movement and his punches are pretty straight. But he is open, and I think a lot of that has to do with his chin, its like he wants to eat the shot because he knows he can take it.

It would be interesting to see what that Crawford kid could do against matthysse, he looked very skilled and slick against Prescott.


matthysse's eagerness to land his big shots will do him in against the right guy....say like a marquez or someone not afraid to stand in the pocket and sharp shoot with in-coming fire. he does have subtle head movement...but he obviously has very heavy hands because these guys fear the in-coming so much they move and never really set their feet to land solid.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ May 20 2013, 07:29 PM) *
Peterson isn't as good as people make out, who has he beaten? Khan? Lets forget about the steds, and the bullshit point deductions. Holt? Well he's been beaten to that. On his best day I doubt he could beat a lot of the 140lbers, but lets wait and see till he fights Judah lol


he loss to bradley, fought even with ortiz, fought even with khan and beat a past it holt. he's solid...but not on the level of matthysse.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 21 2013, 01:01 AM) *
he loss to bradley, fought even with ortiz, fought even with khan and beat a past it holt. he's solid...but not on the level of matthysse.


At times its hard to gauge how good people are if you remove that power. There aren't too many pure boxers knocking around to test him against Alexander sure but many think he should of lost
daprofessor
matthysse is saying he wants pacquiao, floyd and canelo.

i like his ambition. i give him a chance against pac and canelo. floyd beats him easily.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 20 2013, 07:39 PM) *
matthysse is saying he wants pacquiao, floyd and canelo.

i like his ambition. i give him a chance against pac and canelo. floyd beats him easily.


He's got balls of steel lol..He's an interesting fight for Floyd but his ring smarts is limited, Floyd by points. Pacquiao, if it was all even possible would be wise to not take this fight...IDK if he beats Canelo but anything can happen
checkleft
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checkleft
QUOTE (mgrover @ May 20 2013, 07:29 PM) *
Peterson isn't as good as people make out, who has he beaten? Khan? Lets forget about the steds, and the bullshit point deductions. Holt? Well he's been beaten to that. On his best day I doubt he could beat a lot of the 140lbers, but lets wait and see till he fights Judah lol


Those are two of the big names on dannys resume so... are you trying to make a correlation? Lol
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 20 2013, 08:01 PM) *
he loss to bradley, fought even with ortiz, fought even with khan and beat a past it holt. he's solid...but not on the level of matthysse.

Same as above I don't think either guy has fought a fighter at each one of their levels.

Btw we need to petition to get ajose back on the mix with all these 140 pounders that guy was a warrior
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ May 21 2013, 02:19 AM) *
Those are two of the big names on dannys resume so... are you trying to make a correlation? Lol

Same as above I don't think either guy has fought a fighter at each one of their levels.

Btw we need to petition to get ajose back on the mix with all these 140 pounders that guy was a warrior


yes!!! that's who khan should have to beat to even join the discussion.
mgrover
QUOTE (checkleft @ May 21 2013, 07:19 AM) *
Those are two of the big names on dannys resume so... are you trying to make a correlation? Lol

Same as above I don't think either guy has fought a fighter at each one of their levels.

Btw we need to petition to get ajose back on the mix with all these 140 pounders that guy was a warrior


am trying to say that Peterson didn't really beat Khan, the stars aligned for him with the ref and what not and credit to the Holt fight, but he'd been beaten to him by Bradley and Garcia.
checkleft
QUOTE (mgrover @ May 21 2013, 01:48 PM) *
am trying to say that Peterson didn't really beat Khan, the stars aligned for him with the ref and what not and credit to the Holt fight, but he'd been beaten to him by Bradley and Garcia.

That's the thing with boxing, depending on who your talking to there can be an asterisk put on any win. You could say Lucas lost to the best fighter he's ever fought (albeit by hometown cooking) or that dannys biggest challenge so far was against a very old morales in the first fight (in which Danny was being taken to school until he went for broke and scored a knockdown).

Lamont earned a top spot at 140, was he great? No but he's a solid win for anybody that can beat him, let alone ko him in the fashion matth did.
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