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Jovi
I was thinking about how Mayweather rematched Castillo because people thought it was close....So even though the first fight was a clear decision, Mayweather also knows that wasn't his best performance. So knowing boxing politics and how $$ talks, would Mayweather/Cotto 2 be a good fight for Mayweather next? Mayweather is a revamped version and has turned the clocked back compared to looking worn from age. I remember during the first fight I was screaming at Mayweather for staying on the corner or not moving like he should've been. Last fight did decent numbers, and Cotto got rocked in the 12th round, in a rematch i think Mayweather picks him apart fast since he will know what to be prepared for. Its not like Cotto got dominated to the point where he doesn't want the rematch...(Marquez).
p4pcrown
Nobody wants to see this fight. We already know the end result. I'd rather see him fight Ortiz again. Lol
Dolimite
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/92998...-sept-28-return

Not happening bro. Cotto is fighting on another day and in another state and city. What makes this interesting is that Canelo does not have the fight he was setting up for unless he moves his date which is not likely, plus he ain't fighting in New York. Canelo still isn't a house hold name no matter what his fans tell you. Floyd maybe holding the cards. He can either ask one of the 140 hot shots to move up or he can pick from 147 to 154. It would be up to him. Canelo can't afford to fight jr, welter weights anymore or washed up fighters. He could face Ortiz or Guerrero but it is squarely up to him. he should give Kirkland or Lara a shot. We shall see. This Cotto move just made September even more interesting.
Plah
Only if Cotto beats Canelo (highly unlikely).
Gambit808
No rematch. I can say if Cotto beat Trout when they fought and Canelo on 4/20 MAYBE, but why rematch Cotto at this point?

Cotto needs to worry about not falling off the map with whom ever he fights next. I read Cotto's has 9/28 reserved to fight, but if it's up against Saul, not saying he won't beat him, but that would be pretty risky on his part, being that he has 2 losses in a row and is going against another undefeated up and comer.
Hotsauce
Naw cotto fighting on sept 28th
mitukczuk
Why would I want to see second May/Cotto fight when the first one was clearly Money's? There is no reason for these two to meet in the ring ever again.
Jovi
Yeah, right when i thought about it and posted i seen Cotto had the called for the September 28th date. dry.gif . I just thought the fight would make sense since Mayweather wasn't 100% that night so he didn't dominate him as bad as he could have.

Mayweather and Canelo is still being talked about, I'm not sure how that will Pan out. I'd say 154 at fight night and go but I kudos if he Mayweather makes the match with no regulation, either way he takes it. Before i didn't like the weight advantage for Canelo but that really wont matter since Mayweather will be moving all 12 rounds, or atleast he better be.. Mayweather is in another league than Canelo, but Canelo does have potential

Canelo against Lara would be my favorite fight, Kirkland more than likely gets KOd by Canelo. Cotto just gonna get that ass whooped by everybody just because he has the name. I wouldn't be surprise if Broner gets his first PPV off cotto.

Cshel86
QUOTE (Jovi @ May 21 2013, 11:27 PM) *
I was thinking about how Mayweather rematched Castillo because people thought it was close....So even though the first fight was a clear decision, Mayweather also knows that wasn't his best performance.

The first sentence of this post could mean so many things. Let's be real here, Mayweather HAS been using Cotto's name a lot in the build-up of the Guerrero fight. Isn't that one of the reasons that he changed trainers? I'm sure it's not the chief reason, but it was a significant one.

For all yall saying that nobody wants to see this fight, blah, blah, blah...please take a seat...ESPECIALLY if you bought the Guerrero fight for the frivolous reasons that it took place. And for all of you that are holding on to that 10-2 scorecard in favor of Floyd in the Cotto fight, please get your eyes checked.

Now, I'm not 100% sold on the idea of this fight, but Floyd did say that he was going to fight in September, and I surely don't remember him saying Sept 14th like some of you have already planted in your heads. If he did, then show me. There are 30 days in September, so the 14th is not the end all be all because of this Canelo nonsense.

Trust me, if Floyd knew that he comfortably won 10 of 12 rounds against Miguel, then there would be no reason for him to bring the fight up this many times. Had Cotto beaten feather-fist Trout or had a recent comeback bout, then I'd be arguing that this rematch should happen in the near future.

To avoid any further disappointment, let's get this Sept. 14th Mexican Independence weekend stuff out of our heads. What if he says that he wants to fight Garcia on Sept. 7th?

Do you really think GBP going to throw a Hulk tantrum while trying to shoot down Mayweather/Garcia, because they want Matthysse to fight Danny that bad? C'mon now...they'll make Mayweather/Garcia so quick, and Matthysse will have to sit on his thumbs as he's always done when it came to him getting his big shot.





Dolimite
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 22 2013, 09:33 AM) *
The first sentence of this post could mean so many things. Let's be real here, Mayweather HAS been using Cotto's name a lot in the build-up of the Guerrero fight. Isn't that one of the reasons that he changed trainers? I'm sure it's not the chief reason, but it was a significant one.

For all yall saying that nobody wants to see this fight, blah, blah, blah...please take a seat...ESPECIALLY if you bought the Guerrero fight for the frivolous reasons that it took place. And for all of you that are holding on to that 10-2 scorecard in favor of Floyd in the Cotto fight, please get your eyes checked.

Now, I'm not 100% sold on the idea of this fight, but Floyd did say that he was going to fight in September, and I surely don't remember him saying Sept 14th like some of you have already planted in your heads. If he did, then show me. There are 30 days in September, so the 14th is not the end all be all because of this Canelo nonsense.

Trust me, if Floyd knew that he comfortably won 10 of 12 rounds against Miguel, then there would be no reason for him to bring the fight up this many times. Had Cotto beaten feather-fist Trout or had a recent comeback bout, then I'd be arguing that this rematch should happen in the near future.

To avoid any further disappointment, let's get this Sept. 14th Mexican Independence weekend stuff out of our heads. What if he says that he wants to fight Garcia on Sept. 7th?

Do you really think GBP going to throw a Hulk tantrum while trying to shoot down Mayweather/Garcia, because they want Matthysse to fight Danny that bad? C'mon now...they'll make Mayweather/Garcia so quick, and Matthysse will have to sit on his thumbs as he's always done when it came to him getting his big shot.

http://www.boxingscene.com/schaefer-90-cha...e-on-9-7--65804

Cshels, Schaefer says other wise! What a great month for boxing, heck sports in general. College football and the NFL will be starting! Yes sir!
daprofessor
the rematch made sense immediately after the first one...now...not so much. cotto has to get an impressive win or two under his belt before that happens.
mrchitown
I'd rather not see it, it was a tough fight but it still was an obvious win for Floyd
Cshel86
QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 22 2013, 01:30 PM) *
http://www.boxingscene.com/schaefer-90-cha...e-on-9-7--65804

Cshels, Schaefer says other wise! What a great month for boxing, heck sports in general. College football and the NFL will be starting! Yes sir!

Schaefer aint stupid bro. He says just the right things to the media and hopes that it passes as "honesty to the fans" when in reality, he's trying to make GBP as much money as possible. That's his job to say that Garcia/Matthysse has a 90% chance of happening.

If Mayweather told Oscar and Schaefer that he wanted to fight Danny tomorrow, mark my words, Matthysse will be put on the back burner and given a consolation fight. What if Floyd asked to fight Matthysse? Then what? If he did the numbers that he did against an unknown Guerrero, then everything's in the air from here.

What is Schaefer gonna say? "Oh no Floyd, we're trying to make this Garcia/Matthysse fight, which is gonna make us more money that you fighting either one of them". Riiiiight.

Let's look at the facts here, how long has Matthysse been longing for a title shot? Almost 3 years. And what has he gotten thus far? An interim title and fight with Lamont for an IBF title that wasn't even up for grabs when they signed the contracts. You really think that they're gonna let him get in the way of a possible Garcia/Mayweather clash, if talks ever take place?
Dolimite
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 22 2013, 12:52 PM) *
Schaefer aint stupid bro. He says just the right things to the media and hopes that it passes as "honesty to the fans" when in reality, he's trying to make GBP as much money as possible. That's his job to say that Garcia/Matthysse has a 90% chance of happening.

If Mayweather told Oscar and Schaefer that he wanted to fight Danny tomorrow, mark my words, Matthysse will be put on the back burner and given a consolation fight. What if Floyd asked to fight Matthysse? Then what? If he did the numbers that he did against an unknown Guerrero, then everything's in the air from here.

What is Schaefer gonna say? "Oh no Floyd, we're trying to make this Garcia/Matthysse fight, which is gonna make us more money that you fighting either one of them". Riiiiight.

Let's look at the facts here, how long has Matthysse been longing for a title shot? Almost 3 years. And what has he gotten thus far? An interim title and fight with Lamont for an IBF title that wasn't even up for grabs when they signed the contracts. You really think that they're gonna let him get in the way of a possible Garcia/Mayweather clash, if talks ever take place?

Bro you need to fire Ms. Cleo! Again why fight Mayweather when Garcia and Matthysse can fight each other the winner is a golden ticket for Mayweather next year. They hype of the winner of this match up is going to be sky high. Just cause the greens are smelling good does not mean you stop cooking them. You let them simmer for another hour so they are nice and tasty, soft and has a great flavor of ham hock (i like ox tail in mine) and enjoy. They have to let these two fighter simmer and once they fight each other then the hype for a May 5 2013 fight with May will be full blast.
duwdu
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 22 2013, 04:52 PM) *
Schaefer aint stupid bro. He says just the right things to the media and hopes that it passes as "honesty to the fans" when in reality, he's trying to make GBP as much money as possible. That's his job to say that Garcia/Matthysse has a 90% chance of happening.

If Mayweather told Oscar and Schaefer that he wanted to fight Danny tomorrow, mark my words, Matthysse will be put on the back burner and given a consolation fight. What if Floyd asked to fight Matthysse? Then what? If he did the numbers that he did against an unknown Guerrero, then everything's in the air from here.

What is Schaefer gonna say? "Oh no Floyd, we're trying to make this Garcia/Matthysse fight, which is gonna make us more money that you fighting either one of them". Riiiiight.

Let's look at the facts here, how long has Matthysse been longing for a title shot? Almost 3 years. And what has he gotten thus far? An interim title and fight with Lamont for an IBF title that wasn't even up for grabs when they signed the contracts. You really think that they're gonna let him get in the way of a possible Garcia/Mayweather clash, if talks ever take place?


Why are you so gong-ho about Mayweather fighting especially Garcia this year? It's all speculation on your part too, I know, but honestly you haven't adduced much reason as to why Garcia.

Further, in addition to the scene link evidence provided by Dolimite, it's been widely reported, and still being reported, that even Arum himself believes that Mayweather is more likely to fight on September 14 as has been reserved FOR him by GBP. So much so that Arum has made contingency plans to move Marquez-Bradley to another date no matter who Floyd fights on that date.
I know you never believed from Adam that Mayweather would fight twice this year; hell, you didn't believe he would fight this past May, because you were here giving guys hell for holding on to that day for Floyd! IIRC, you were adding the rider that Floyd could/would (?) instead probably skip the May date, and wait to fight a successful Brook this July or so. Just give this guy a break...he has said, Mayweather did, that he wants to stay active during the planned remainder of his active fighting life, and he's started following that script, so I have high hopes he'll fight on September 14.

Now, peeps, as for Mayweather's possible opponent in September. I don't know why, but posters appear to be sleeping on the fact that Mayweather just weeks ago assured the WBA - in writing - that he would defend his "Super" JMW title come September. Although some may say Mayweather holds a lot of aces currently and can afford to get away with boxing promotion murder, that promise to the WBA is one of the reasons for me to believe he may fight Canelo or A. N. Other JMW come September.

We'll see, but I sincerely think that Mayweather has been acting more gentlemanly in recent months. It may be due to his incarceration experience, or him having his legacy more in mind, or an image polish occasioned by the Showtime deal, or any combination of factors, but I do see a change in Mayweather's mien, and it is positive for him, and the sport.

P34c3
duwdu
QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 22 2013, 05:56 PM) *
Bro you need to fire Ms. Cleo! Again why fight Mayweather when Garcia and Matthysse can fight each other the winner is a golden ticket for Mayweather next year. They hype of the winner of this match up is going to be sky high. Just cause the greens are smelling good does not mean you stop cooking them. You let them simmer for another hour so they are nice and tasty, soft and has a great flavor of ham hock (i like ox tail in mine) and enjoy. They have to let these two fighter simmer and once they fight each other then the hype for a May 5 2013 fight with May will be full blast.


Good points.

P34c3
checkleft
QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 22 2013, 05:56 PM) *
Bro you need to fire Ms. Cleo! Again why fight Mayweather when Garcia and Matthysse can fight each other the winner is a golden ticket for Mayweather next year. They hype of the winner of this match up is going to be sky high. Just cause the greens are smelling good does not mean you stop cooking them. You let them simmer for another hour so they are nice and tasty, soft and has a great flavor of ham hock (i like ox tail in mine) and enjoy. They have to let these two fighter simmer and once they fight each other then the hype for a May 5 2013 fight with May will be full blast.

Sorry C but this scenario actually makes more sense to me because of mayweathers history. Remember ortiz was on the verge of being completely irrelevant when the berto fight was made and one fight later because of the show they put on he was getting the biggest pay day of his career. If matth and Garcia put on a show and at the same time take a lot out of each other I could see mayweather coming in and wanting to pick up the pieces how he did with ortiz. I mean, the Garcia Matthysse fight could arguably put the winner in the top 10 p4p rankings, higher than canelo because I probably wouldnt have him top 10 maybe even top 15, yea it would be at 140 but either guy could make 147 easy as a legit opponent after a win like that.

Dol, good post, your rambling is always funny as shit to me Haha

As for Alexander, the guy just co features for matthysse so I would say his chances of landing a Floyd fight are about as good as Lucas. Although Xander does hold a meaningless strap that gives him a slight edge
Dolimite
QUOTE (checkleft @ May 23 2013, 07:09 AM) *
Sorry C but this scenario actually makes more sense to me because of mayweathers history. Remember ortiz was on the verge of being completely irrelevant when the berto fight was made and one fight later because of the show they put on he was getting the biggest pay day of his career. If matth and Garcia put on a show and at the same time take a lot out of each other I could see mayweather coming in and wanting to pick up the pieces how he did with ortiz. I mean, the Garcia Matthysse fight could arguably put the winner in the top 10 p4p rankings, higher than canelo because I probably wouldnt have him top 10 maybe even top 15, yea it would be at 140 but either guy could make 147 easy as a legit opponent after a win like that.

Dol, good post, your rambling is always funny as shit to me Haha

As for Alexander, the guy just co features for matthysse so I would say his chances of landing a Floyd fight are about as good as Lucas. Although Xander does hold a meaningless strap that gives him a slight edge

I am glad I amuse you! drinks.gif
Concerning Devon, how can he get his star rating up. He is boring as shit to me. Great fighter just real boring is all.
Jovi
QUOTE (duwdu @ May 23 2013, 10:55 AM) *
Why are you so gong-ho about Mayweather fighting especially Garcia this year? It's all speculation on your part too, I know, but honestly you haven't adduced much reason as to why Garcia.

Further, in addition to the scene link evidence provided by Dolimite, it's been widely reported, and still being reported, that even Arum himself believes that Mayweather is more likely to fight on September 14 as has been reserved FOR him by GBP. So much so that Arum has made contingency plans to move Marquez-Bradley to another date no matter who Floyd fights on that date.
I know you never believed from Adam that Mayweather would fight twice this year; hell, you didn't believe he would fight this past May, because you were here giving guys hell for holding on to that day for Floyd! IIRC, you were adding the rider that Floyd could/would (?) instead probably skip the May date, and wait to fight a successful Brook this July or so. Just give this guy a break...he has said, Mayweather did, that he wants to stay active during the planned remainder of his active fighting life, and he's started following that script, so I have high hopes he'll fight on September 14.

Now, peeps, as for Mayweather's possible opponent in September. I don't know why, but posters appear to be sleeping on the fact that Mayweather just weeks ago assured the WBA - in writing - that he would defend his "Super" JMW title come September. Although some may say Mayweather holds a lot of aces currently and can afford to get away with boxing promotion murder, that promise to the WBA is one of the reasons for me to believe he may fight Canelo or A. N. Other JMW come September.

We'll see, but I sincerely think that Mayweather has been acting more gentlemanly in recent months. It may be due to his incarceration experience, or him having his legacy more in mind, or an image polish occasioned by the Showtime deal, or any combination of factors, but I do see a change in Mayweather's mien, and it is positive for him, and the sport.

P34c3


So Canelo, Sergio or Cotto?
Cshel86
QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 22 2013, 05:56 PM) *
Bro you need to fire Ms. Cleo! Again why fight Mayweather when Garcia and Matthysse can fight each other the winner is a golden ticket for Mayweather next year. They hype of the winner of this match up is going to be sky high. Just cause the greens are smelling good does not mean you stop cooking them. You let them simmer for another hour so they are nice and tasty, soft and has a great flavor of ham hock (i like ox tail in mine) and enjoy. They have to let these two fighter simmer and once they fight each other then the hype for a May 5 2013 fight with May will be full blast.

Why fight each other and one guy get ruined because of it (i.e. Garcia)? Remember, both of these guys have the same manager and promoter. It would make more sense to have one of them fight Floyd, then they meet again in the near future.

Why throw it all away because of what the fans want to see? Let's look at how much work they've put into Danny...why risk all of that so soon against Matthysse, a guy who can't make them as much money as Danny? I'm not saying that Danny is this huge ticket seller, but between him and Matthysse, he's the bigger draw.

Think about it, if Danny or Lucas fights Floyd, then that will be bigger exposure for both guys. They can ALWAYS go back and fight each other. Danny is hardly making 140 nowadays, so they can still meet at 147. It's not like the Canelo/Chavez Jr situation, where there's a two-division difference between them, but one guy is hanging around in a weight class where he truly doesn't belong.

QUOTE (duwdu @ May 23 2013, 10:55 AM) *
Why are you so gong-ho about Mayweather fighting especially Garcia this year? It's all speculation on your part too, I know, but honestly you haven't adduced much reason as to why Garcia.

Further, in addition to the scene link evidence provided by Dolimite, it's been widely reported, and still being reported, that even Arum himself believes that Mayweather is more likely to fight on September 14 as has been reserved FOR him by GBP. So much so that Arum has made contingency plans to move Marquez-Bradley to another date no matter who Floyd fights on that date.
I know you never believed from Adam that Mayweather would fight twice this year; hell, you didn't believe he would fight this past May, because you were here giving guys hell for holding on to that day for Floyd! IIRC, you were adding the rider that Floyd could/would (?) instead probably skip the May date, and wait to fight a successful Brook this July or so. Just give this guy a break...he has said, Mayweather did, that he wants to stay active during the planned remainder of his active fighting life, and he's started following that script, so I have high hopes he'll fight on September 14.

Now, peeps, as for Mayweather's possible opponent in September. I don't know why, but posters appear to be sleeping on the fact that Mayweather just weeks ago assured the WBA - in writing - that he would defend his "Super" JMW title come September. Although some may say Mayweather holds a lot of aces currently and can afford to get away with boxing promotion murder, that promise to the WBA is one of the reasons for me to believe he may fight Canelo or A. N. Other JMW come September.

We'll see, but I sincerely think that Mayweather has been acting more gentlemanly in recent months. It may be due to his incarceration experience, or him having his legacy more in mind, or an image polish occasioned by the Showtime deal, or any combination of factors, but I do see a change in Mayweather's mien, and it is positive for him, and the sport.

P34c3

I know that my predictions of the whole Brook/Alexander winner facing Floyd was a strong one, but that just goes to show that anything can happen in the sport. Of course that never happened because of an injury. We cant always hang onto what Floyd says, because he has either lied in the past, or thing didn't work out the way he imagined...it happens.

As for that WBA agreement...who needs who more...the WBA or Floyd? Let's not forget that these sanctioning bodies need the fighters. If things dont happen to go as planned, then what?

Oh yeah Dolimite, I like turkey legs with my greens and cabbage...those ham hocks are too damn salty. laugh.gif
BoxingEinstein

To be honest I don't see the point in this thread at all. Mayweather beat Cotto decisively in a yes, competitive fight in some rounds. Other than that Irather see Cotto fight Canelo or Lara or even Angulo.
duwdu
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 23 2013, 10:01 PM) *
We cant always hang onto what Floyd says, because he has either lied in the past, or thing didn't work out the way he imagined...it happens.


It's so easy for you to label someone. I gave a host of reasons for my belief, so I wasn't hanging on to what Floyd said.

You're always quick at hanging unto Floyd having lied in the past. Which major player didn't/hasn't? I'm afraid you combining these two factors you're espousing, just makes me think you're likely stuck in a conspiracy theory mindset...just saying.

But, hey, to each his own.

P34c3
Franchize
I've been saying this for months now. I think Floyd SHOULD rematch Cotto. People are delusional if they think nobody would watch this fight. People still hang on to Castillo I, and that happened like 13 years ago. People still hang on to the Judah and De La Hoya fights to "exploit weaknesses" in Mayweather. I think some of you are underestimating just how much Floyd is hated. The one guy who got to Floyd and bloodied his nose...of course people are going to watch. Did yall not hear the ovation he received during the fight when the crowd saw his bloody face on the big screen? A Mayweather fight will sell tickets on the people who hate him alone. Some of them are like vampires, waiting for him to bleed, but the man shows less blood than a Crip neighborhood lol.

Furthermore, I think it would be a good fight. Look, part of Cotto's success was Mayweather having a lapse in judgment and decided to bang with Cotto to prove a point. The other larger part came from the fact that Miguel Cotto is a world class, future HOF fighter. He ain't no bitch. I'd rather see him fight Cotto than Devon Alexander. That's for damn sure.
neophyte7
rematches for great fighters are usually more emphatic.. Cotto gets bludgeoned in there with SR in the corner in a second fight
Cshel86
QUOTE (duwdu @ May 25 2013, 09:03 AM) *
It's so easy for you to label someone. I gave a host of reasons for my belief, so I wasn't hanging on to what Floyd said.

You're always quick at hanging unto Floyd having lied in the past. Which major player didn't/hasn't? I'm afraid you combining these two factors you're espousing, just makes me think you're likely stuck in a conspiracy theory mindset...just saying.

But, hey, to each his own.

P34c3

It's not me labeling anyone...sometimes you have to just call a spade a spade.

Regardless of who gave a host of reasons for whatever's to come, with Floyd, things are always different when it comes to his next opponent. Not only do we have to see who brings the most money, but they also have to "appear" to be a threat.

Nowadays, that isn't entirely the case. Since he's pretty much on a salary plus overtime (PPV sales) of $32M per fight, I think he could care less if the guy truly sell tickets. Hell, most of the fans at the Guerrero fight, weren't there to see Guerrero.

With that in mind, his next fight doesn't HAVE to be Canelo and it doesn't HAVE to be in Sept. 14th. He can very well break up the idea of a Garcia/Matthysse fight, and fight one of them. Sr. already made his comments about Matthysse, who could very well be next. Again, we never know, but with Mayweather, the "obvious choice" of his next opponent, has usually failed us.

I'm not gung ho to make predictions about anything concerning him, but with the limited opposition out there, we have to expect him to pull a fast one pick somebody that we least expect. We can sit here and spew a bunch of mumbo jumbo, but history is the best answer here.
sduck
Part of me would like to see it, but I think if it were to come on around, this time Floyd would just box him in a "boring" fight, like he originally wanted to instead of selling out to please the viewers.
daprofessor
QUOTE (sduck @ May 26 2013, 04:55 PM) *
Part of me would like to see it, but I think if it were to come on around, this time Floyd would just box him in a "boring" fight, like he originally wanted to instead of selling out to please the viewers.


u believe that bullshit? laugh.gif

how you train is how you fight. imo...floyd did what he had to do to get the win...but if given the chance to do it all over again, he's going to use his legs like his pops had him do against guerrero. that would make for an easier fight for floyd. that fight was the reason he brought his pops back. he didn't want it to be in the trenches.
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