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MrChampagne123
Does Jessie Vargas regret leaving Mayweather promotions? I would say h does because when he was with Mayweather Promotions he was way more relevent. He should have been in Jay Leon Love position and Ishe Smith...
daprofessor
who is jessie vargas? huh.gif
dre98
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 22 2013, 05:29 PM) *
who is jessie vargas? huh.gif

Lmao funny
mgrover
Yes? No? I don't know anymore, what does Love have? Charged with PEDs and a controversial win? And Smith he beat the weakest champ, sure cry all you want that you won the belt, but till your undisputed you ain't shit. No offence to Mayweather stable, but when he retires, it's going to be harder getting them boys on high exposure cards.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ May 22 2013, 07:59 PM) *
Yes? No? I don't know anymore, what does Love have? Charged with PEDs and a controversial win? And Smith he beat the weakest champ, sure cry all you want that you won the belt, but till your undisputed you ain't shit. No offence to Mayweather stable, but when he retires, it's going to be harder getting them boys on high exposure cards.


i respect floyd and oscars accomplishments as boxers....and i commend them both for turning to promoting....but developing real talent...that is not something easily done.

gbp has mares...he's their first guy they took from zero bouts to a championship. but let's be honest about it...he's had some help along the way with questionable calls/no calls (agbeko, darchinyan, moreno) and i don't believe he's going to be up top for very long. canelo...they kind of inherited. he had plenty of experience when they signed him.

as for mayweathers guys...smith got his shot and won against k-9...but i'm not sure he's going to be there long either. i think he's losing to molina. love, i thought, was matched tough...and they tried to step him up to quick. he's not gonna make it anytime soon. plus with the positive testing...they may drop him from the roster. who knows?

something to consider: both floyd and oscar have massive egos. do you think they are the type to create fighters that would outshine their own accomplishments? oscar and floyd both have gone on record as saying they don't want to baby their fighters and will match them tough, but truth be told, both of them got to the positions they were/are in because of favorable match making by bob arum. i don't expect them to return the favor to any of their fighters anytime soon. maybe when they're much more mature men and realize that they stand to benefit by doing so. until then....i won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
mgrover
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 23 2013, 01:33 AM) *
i respect floyd and oscars accomplishments as boxers....and i commend them both for turning to promoting....but developing real talent...that is not something easily done.

gbp has mares...he's their first guy they took from zero bouts to a championship. but let's be honest about it...he's had some help along the way with questionable calls/no calls (agbeko, darchinyan, moreno) and i don't believe he's going to be up top for very long. canelo...they kind of inherited. he had plenty of experience when they signed him.

as for mayweathers guys...smith got his shot and won against k-9...but i'm not sure he's going to be there long either. i think he's losing to molina. love, i thought, was matched tough...and they tried to step him up to quick. he's not gonna make it anytime soon. plus with the positive testing...they may drop him from the roster. who knows?

something to consider: both floyd and oscar have massive egos. do you think they are the type to create fighters that would outshine their own accomplishments? oscar and floyd both have gone on record as saying they don't want to baby their fighters and will match them tough, but truth be told, both of them got to the positions they were/are in because of favorable match making by bob arum. i don't expect them to return the favor to any of their fighters anytime soon. maybe when they're much more mature men and realize that they stand to benefit by doing so. until then....i won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.


Maybe they think these guys are as good as them and can keep up that pace, Love clearly can't and I doubt Ishe will if he fights the other 154lbers. Lara, Angulo, Vartisysosn(can't spell his name)
leonthegee
He has to be regreting it due to Mayweather Promotions and GBP partnership. GBP has the 147lb division on lock. He couldve landed Broner, Ortiz, Alexander, Guerrero just to name a few. He had a chance to really make a name for himself. Now hes reduced to ESPN Fri night fights. Freakin loser.
mgrover
QUOTE (leonthegee @ May 23 2013, 02:01 AM) *
He has to be regreting it due to Mayweather Promotions and GBP partnership. GBP has the 147lb division on lock. He couldve landed Broner, Ortiz, Alexander, Guerrero just to name a few. He had a chance to really make a name for himself. Now hes reduced to ESPN Fri night fights. Freakin loser.


making easy money and probably be protected for a while making easy money, yeah sure what a loser...
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ May 22 2013, 07:55 PM) *
Maybe they think these guys are as good as them and can keep up that pace, Love clearly can't and I doubt Ishe will if he fights the other 154lbers. Lara, Angulo, Vartisysosn(can't spell his name)


mares was an olympian for mexico. i don't believe love was an olympian. oscar won gold...and floyd won bronze....both had excellent amateur careers.

lara, angulo and martirosyan were all olympians as well. they had much better amateur careers than mares, love and smith.

i think they know mares, love and smith are not on their levels. neither is angulo, lara and martirosyan.
mrchitown
Vargas was nothing special even when he was fighting on those Mayweather cards...he might regret it because he's not getting the attention that he was getting when he was with Mayweather promotions...as for the fighters in Mayweather's stable, it's too early to say what they're going to turn into...J'Leon is/was his best prospect but he has a ways to go but it's some guy that fights under the Mayweather banner but I can't remember his name, he's going to be good
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 22 2013, 08:33 PM) *
something to consider: both floyd and oscar have massive egos. do you think they are the type to create fighters that would outshine their own accomplishments? oscar and floyd both have gone on record as saying they don't want to baby their fighters and will match them tough, but truth be told, both of them got to the positions they were/are in because of favorable match making by bob arum. i don't expect them to return the favor to any of their fighters anytime soon. maybe when they're much more mature men and realize that they stand to benefit by doing so. until then....i won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

Interesting points sir. Between the two of them, I believe Oscar will let his fighters outshine him...well, just a couple of them. Oscar appears to live through Canelo, or so he's trying to.

Floyd on the other hand, doesn't have to worry about his fighters outshining him. Dude has got to be one of the most gifted fighters out there, and I dont think anybody will repeat that any time soon, that's from us watching him grow in the sport, to his current position.

I totally agree with your point about Arum and his match making with the two of them, though Floyd was the black sheep. Bob should be given credit for building these guys up.

leonthegee
QUOTE (mgrover @ May 22 2013, 05:15 PM) *
making easy money and probably be protected for a while making easy money, yeah sure what a loser...


He was making 100 grand fighting on Floyds under card. Hes not making that kind of scratch fighting on ESPN. And did you see his last fight? He was getting his ass kicked and he eeked out a decision.
Cshel86
I feel sorry for Vargas at this point. He's in the middle of an informal WW tournament that has shit to do with him. Had he still fought at 140, then Arum could've given him something to work with.

At Top Rank, there are now guys who in the middle of moving up from 140 to 147 to fill this void on Arum's WW list. Rios and Alvarado are a level above Vargas in regards to competition and popularity at this point.

SO he may very well have to sit on his thumbs until this 6-man circus comes to a halt, so what seems to be a halt. He better hope that Arum pulls somebody from Goosen, DiBella, Duva, or Shaw to give Vargas a Bradley/Provodnikov-type of fight, or popularity purposes.
sduck
Pretty sure he doesn't. He'll make more money and be better protected with Top Rank. He also has a better chance at getting a Pacquiao fight then he ever would getting a chance fighting Mayweather.
Franchize
I just remember Floyd, before every fight, saying "Jesse Vargas is the future of boxing." I used to look at my TV like "nigga you don't even believe that yourself". I never was all that impressed with Jesse Vargas. I hope they throw him in there with a young lion and he gets his bitchass tossed up lol
mrchitown
QUOTE (sduck @ May 26 2013, 04:54 PM) *
Pretty sure he doesn't. He'll make more money and be better protected with Top Rank. He also has a better chance at getting a Pacquiao fight then he ever would getting a chance fighting Mayweather.


He wouldn't have fought Mayweather any way since he was promoted by him, and who's he going to fight, there aint no WW's really in the TR stable so if you mean protected in the sense of not fighting then I'm sure he doesn't regret it. He aint fighting no Manny Pacquiao, Rios got him next, Provodnikov his way more deserving of a Manny fight then Vargas and so is Alvarado, no way you can give a solid explanation as to why he gets that fight before them two dudes...he kinda played himself when he jumped ship
Franchize
Only reason Vargas has a better shot at Pacquiao than Mayweather is because Pacquiao is more likely to get knocked the fuck out again and need a tune up fight to boost his morale lol
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