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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 3 2013, 08:29 PM) *
back to the topic of discussion...

i think berto is his own worse enemy. he keeps his pops and brother in the corner when clearly they should not be there. he hires all the wrong ppl and does all the wrong things. working with conte was a set back. his trainer and al haymon got him to the point where he was....he needs someone who understands what needs to be fixed to take the reigns to get him to the next level. there are only a few trainers here in socal that can help him besides me. he has plenty of talent and potential. hopefully he learns to listen to the right ppl.

Call me crazy but I think Robert Garcia could be the man to help him. Everybody always goes for the big names like virgil the mayweathers or roach. I think Garcia is very underestimated, he used to be donaires full time trainer hw does a wonderful job with mikey. I think he can help berto
mgrover
Isn't he working with Virgil Hunter ATM? I swear I remember reading that somewhere
MAHDI
Lmao--- at some of the above posts. win a fight first berto. spare us
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 3 2013, 08:37 PM) *
She shouldn't be mad at that but don't be surprised if she tries to takeover your Saturdays...that's what they do. When a boxing card comes on don't be surprised if she tries to warm up to you

No warming up! I will give her some cash and tell her to leave me and my son alone, have fun, get drunk, dance, flirt, go get a steak dinner, whatever. Just from Saturdays until December she knows Saturdays are mine. When football season comes She will have Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays. Which is fair.
mrchitown
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 4 2013, 12:43 AM) *
Call me crazy but I think Robert Garcia could be the man to help him. Everybody always goes for the big names like virgil the mayweathers or roach. I think Garcia is very underestimated, he used to be donaires full time trainer hw does a wonderful job with mikey. I think he can help berto


Your crazy! It's a reason fighters go to them or people take their fighters to them, it's a difference between trainers and masters. The Mayweathers, Virgil Hunter, also Barry Hunter, even Roach to an extent, they are masters. Garcia is good and his stable will grow but as a trainer he isn't on their level

Hell. if I was Berto's manager I'd take him to Ronnie Shields or Eddie Mustafa Muhammud before I took him to Garcia
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 4 2013, 01:43 AM) *
Call me crazy but I think Robert Garcia could be the man to help him. Everybody always goes for the big names like virgil the mayweathers or roach. I think Garcia is very underestimated, he used to be donaires full time trainer hw does a wonderful job with mikey. I think he can help berto


i think robert garcia is over rated. nonito had all the skill before he ever started working with garcia...and it seemed to disappear as time went on. mikey was developed by robert garcias pops who also developed vargas and robert. robert has taken over the reigns.

i think berto needs a trainer who can give him some solid defense.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 4 2013, 01:30 PM) *
Your crazy! It's a reason fighters go to them or people take their fighters to them, it's a difference between trainers and masters. The Mayweathers, Virgil Hunter, also Barry Hunter, even Roach to an extent, they are masters. Garcia is good and his stable will grow but as a trainer he isn't on their level

Hell. if I was Berto's manager I'd take him to Ronnie Shields or Eddie Mustafa Muhammud before I took him to Garcia


i'd skip on ronnie shields. eddie mustafa would be perfect! if i was going to send him to a garcia....it would be angel garcia! laugh.gif
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 4 2013, 04:01 PM) *
i'd skip on ronnie shields. eddie mustafa would be perfect! if i was going to send him to a garcia....it would be angel garcia! laugh.gif

You'd skip on Ronnie Shields???

Please explain. I thought he would've been a decent pick. Maybe I'm missing something.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 4 2013, 02:59 PM) *
i think robert garcia is over rated. nonito had all the skill before he ever started working with garcia...and it seemed to disappear as time went on. mikey was developed by robert garcias pops who also developed vargas and robert. robert has taken over the reigns.

i think berto needs a trainer who can give him some solid defense.

Donaire admitted he basically has been training himself, he hasn't been training with Garcia. He basically only sees him on fight night. And that's on his fault that's no excuse

And see that's the thing berto is not a defensive fighter. It's not who he is and I seriously doubt he will ever be that no matter who trains him. some guys just are who they are and trying to change them just leaves them worst off. A simple high guard and telling the idiot to tuck his chin would do wonders

He needs someone who will make him believe in himself again and get him to realize that maybe his offense behind a high guard and a tucked chin is his best defense. I think nazim or Garcia could help him
Cshel86
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 3 2013, 04:25 PM) *
She stole my wallet!

Serious? Let me guess, an openly gay boxer... Cough cough: Sergio Martinez!

I will be taking your ass to Grady Hospital if that happens!

Mex4life is the asshole you should be booting.

You must really want me to die then. Lol

QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 4 2013, 12:35 AM) *
I liked the Hawks even in the 90's we all will admit Nique was a beast, and the team they had with Joe Johnson, Horford, Josh Smith, etc...I expected them to make some noise. The damn Falcons piss me off, they call dude Matty Ice but it should really be Matty choke

It's not too late for the Hawks, but they need to step it up. It seems like they fall short riiiight before the playoffs, smh. At this point, they're almost like those fighters who blow chance after chance on HBO and Showtime, and find themselves on fighting on ESPN.

Matty Ice does his thing...but the offensive line gets too damn comfortable with the lead that they create, and end up allowing the opposing team to build momentum...that's how you get those Falcons/49ers playoff-type games. The Falcons have a nice squad...I just hate their fans...just like Miami Heat(S) <-------- laugh.gif

Back to Berto...

As I mentioned in the Dawson thread, we could all see his complacency and arrogance set in around 2010, in the Quintana and Hernandez fights. By the time 2011 came around, it all came rolling downhill. He lost to Ortiz (which was a pretty good fight, regardless of how shitty he looked in the majority of those rounds), and the Zaveck fight was a gimme, thanks to Haymon.

It was obvious that his corner was one of the chief problems, along with him living that Hollywood lifestyle and believing his own hype. One would question training camp activities as well...seems like he just went through the motions or half trained for some of those fights.

Anyhow, he has the talent and weapons to still make a mark in the sport. How big of a mark? Who knows at this time. He just needs to stay focused on the task at hand, regardless of what pressing questions these nerdy journalists ask about upcoming fights.

Khan's gonna learn the hard way with that as well. He doesn't know who wants to fight nowadays, since he's lost to more than one person. First he wanted to immediately fight Garcia again, then after the Molina fight, he ask whoring for Garcia again. Then he brought Peterson back up, JUST to hop back on the "I deserve Mayweather" crap again. He's gonna have a long night with Devon in December.
Dolimite
Brother Naz would be the perfect fit. He would tell his brother and dad to shut up. In no way do I feel his career is lost but he needs the right people. One more lost he is done. I think a rematch with Ortiz and Guerrero would sell. Maybe with a strong showing he would be in the running for a Mayweather fight. His next 3 opponents need to be Ortiz, Guerrero, and Khan/ winner of Broner and Paulie.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 5 2013, 08:39 AM) *
You must really want me to die then. Lol


It's not too late for the Hawks, but they need to step it up. It seems like they fall short riiiight before the playoffs, smh. At this point, they're almost like those fighters who blow chance after chance on HBO and Showtime, and find themselves on fighting on ESPN.

Matty Ice does his thing...but the offensive line gets too damn comfortable with the lead that they create, and end up allowing the opposing team to build momentum...that's how you get those Falcons/49ers playoff-type games. The Falcons have a nice squad...I just hate their fans...just like Miami Heat(S) <-------- laugh.gif

Back to Berto...

As I mentioned in the Dawson thread, we could all see his complacency and arrogance set in around 2010, in the Quintana and Hernandez fights. By the time 2011 came around, it all came rolling downhill. He lost to Ortiz (which was a pretty good fight, regardless of how shitty he looked in the majority of those rounds), and the Zaveck fight was a gimme, thanks to Haymon.

It was obvious that his corner was one of the chief problems, along with him living that Hollywood lifestyle and believing his own hype. One would question training camp activities as well...seems like he just went through the motions or half trained for some of those fights.

Anyhow, he has the talent and weapons to still make a mark in the sport. How big of a mark? Who knows at this time. He just needs to stay focused on the task at hand, regardless of what pressing questions these nerdy journalists ask about upcoming fights.

Khan's gonna learn the hard way with that as well. He doesn't know who wants to fight nowadays, since he's lost to more than one person. First he wanted to immediately fight Garcia again, then after the Molina fight, he ask whoring for Garcia again. Then he brought Peterson back up, JUST to hop back on the "I deserve Mayweather" crap again. He's gonna have a long night with Devon in December.


Khan is an enigma, if he fights and and beats Devon then it's obvious we can expect a Mayweather-Khan fight in 2014. But I think he loses that and then where does he go from there?
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 5 2013, 09:55 PM) *
Khan is an enigma, if he fights and and beats Devon then it's obvious we can expect a Mayweather-Khan fight in 2014. But I think he loses that and then where does he go from there?

Jr. Middle Weight because he will say he feels more comfortable there anyway.
Cshel86
Berto was forced into the spotlight. Question...what fighter doesn't want to be forced into the spotlight? It's what all fighters long for, but if they're forced in the wrong manner, it can prove to be detrimental. You're either ready, or you're not.

Berto has gifts, but Haymon may have done him a favor and an injustice in the same breath. He was running through tomato cans, but as soon as B-level competition came into play, we saw the real him. I wiped the sweat off of my forehead after the Collazo fight, and hoped that Berto would put in more work in the gym. However, the Ortiz fight came, and we really saw the truth.

He was fucked afterwards, because he was no longer in the position to go back to fighting tomato cans. He was waaaay past his time to step up in competitionanyway, and seeing that he couldn't beat Ortiz, let us know that he wasn't going to go too far. Refusing to change his corner, and give up the Hollywood lifestyle, got him what he received in the Guerrero fight.

I just hope that he's ready to get back in the mix with these bigger fights. One fight with Soto-Karass isn't going to show us much. He has to bounce back from two losses, so one win over a guy that knocked out last September, says nothing. Berto got beat, worse than the beating that he plans on putting on Karass, so yes, he still has some heavy lifting to do.

These young fighters need to get Mayweather out of their heads. I know that you're supposed to aim for the top, but if aiming for the top ruins the focal point of what's in front of you, then some reevaluating needs to be done. How could a guy want Mayweather so bad, but couldn't even manage to beat the two guys that beat him in route to Floyd, just for Floyd to beat them and pass them back down? Somewhere in his mind, he should be planning on avenging those losses, but who am I kidding, when it comes to Floyd, these young fighters get stuck on stupid no2.gif
Dolimite
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 6 2013, 06:57 AM) *
Berto was forced into the spotlight. Question...what fighter doesn't want to be forced into the spotlight? It's what all fighters long for, but if they're forced in the wrong manner, it can prove to be detrimental. You're either ready, or you're not.

Berto has gifts, but Haymon may have done him a favor and an injustice in the same breath. He was running through tomato cans, but as soon as B-level competition came into play, we saw the real him. I wiped the sweat off of my forehead after the Collazo fight, and hoped that Berto would put in more work in the gym. However, the Ortiz fight came, and we really saw the truth.

He was fucked afterwards, because he was no longer in the position to go back to fighting tomato cans. He was waaaay past his time to step up in competitionanyway, and seeing that he couldn't beat Ortiz, let us know that he wasn't going to go too far. Refusing to change his corner, and give up the Hollywood lifestyle, got him what he received in the Guerrero fight.

I just hope that he's ready to get back in the mix with these bigger fights. One fight with Soto-Karass isn't going to show us much. He has to bounce back from two losses, so one win over a guy that knocked out last September, says nothing. Berto got beat, worse than the beating that he plans on putting on Karass, so yes, he still has some heavy lifting to do.

These young fighters need to get Mayweather out of their heads. I know that you're supposed to aim for the top, but if aiming for the top ruins the focal point of what's in front of you, then some reevaluating needs to be done. How could a guy want Mayweather so bad, but couldn't even manage to beat the two guys that beat him in route to Floyd, just for Floyd to beat them and pass them back down? Somewhere in his mind, he should be planning on avenging those losses, but who am I kidding, when it comes to Floyd, these young fighters get stuck on stupid no2.gif

The man has 4 fights left after September, no way is he burning them on up and comers. The only thing these young guys should be focused on are improving their skill set and aiming for good competition that is reasonable. The Charlo twins are being guided perfectly, they are not calling out Mayweather, they are honing their craft to be the best super welter weighs around. This is why I think they will be pound for pound number in the next three years. They are disciplined and do not carry a bunch of starving negros with them. I am such fans of these guys.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 4 2013, 10:08 PM) *
You'd skip on Ronnie Shields???

Please explain. I thought he would've been a decent pick. Maybe I'm missing something.


i don't know. ronnie used to be a damn good fighter and had an excellent trainer in georgie benton. there just seems to be something missing from his fighters when i watch them. i saw no improvement in cintron or martirosyan when they trained with him. rigondeaux and lara were already finished products when they got to him. juan diaz was decent...but i think he could have been better. not sure really. i think i would take buddy mcgirt over shields.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 4 2013, 10:36 PM) *
Donaire admitted he basically has been training himself, he hasn't been training with Garcia. He basically only sees him on fight night. And that's on his fault that's no excuse

And see that's the thing berto is not a defensive fighter. It's not who he is and I seriously doubt he will ever be that no matter who trains him. some guys just are who they are and trying to change them just leaves them worst off. A simple high guard and telling the idiot to tuck his chin would do wonders

He needs someone who will make him believe in himself again and get him to realize that maybe his offense behind a high guard and a tucked chin is his best defense. I think nazim or Garcia could help him


i'm not saying he should be a defensive fighter....i'm saying i think he needs to add some defense to what he does. as of now....he has very little. i've seen him use good defense in the past in certain fights where he actually looked pretty good....and he just never stood with it. the high guard would be better than the shit he's been doing lately. i think richardson would be a better fit for him. he definitely needs to build his confidence back up. soto karas should be a win for him if his mind is in the right spot.
Aware
You mean delusional not disillusioned
Dolimite
QUOTE (Aware @ Jun 7 2013, 10:04 AM) *
You mean delusional not disillusioned

disillusioned. He sees something that is not actually there. I know what the word means buddy. Thanks. Illusion means image or a picture, he seems himself as something that he clearly isn't.
Aware
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 7 2013, 02:02 PM) *
disillusioned. He sees something that is not actually there. I know what the word means buddy. Thanks. Illusion means image or a picture, he seems himself as something that he clearly isn't.


Just wow! The internet is your friend man. That's not what disillusioned means. Heck that's not even what illusion means. Come on man look it up.
Aware
What's so funny is that you say, " he seems himself as something that he clearly isn't". That is delusional haha.
Dolimite
Aware: I do not have time to correct typos. I study the dictionary, I have to in my line of work. Relax Jr. it is just a message board, either answer the question of this thread or quietly shut the fuck up.
Aware
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 7 2013, 02:45 PM) *
Aware: I do not have time to correct typos. I study the dictionary, I have to in my line of work. Relax Jr. it is just a message board, either answer the question of this thread or quietly shut the fuck up.


I don't care about the typo. The whole point is what you described in that sentence is the definition of delusional. Just give your ego a check and admit you were wrong, no need to start shit.
Dolimite
QUOTE (Aware @ Jun 8 2013, 10:45 AM) *
I don't care about the typo. The whole point is what you described in that sentence is the definition of delusional. Just give your ego a check and admit you were wrong, no need to start shit.

Again answer the point of the thread or shut the fuck up.
Aware
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 8 2013, 07:01 PM) *
Again answer the point of the thread or shut the fuck up.


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