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MAHDI
Adrien Broner is ranked #5 pound for pound behind SERGIO MARTINEZ and I find this to be absolutely stupid. They even had Robert Guerrero at #8??? Lmao... Broner is on the list and the guy who whipped the dog crap out of Donaire is not on the list at all. Carl Froch is not on there??? I have been reading RING mag for more than 30 years... This magazine has lost my respect. Bottom line: Broner does not belong anywhere near that list. Let's go Malignaggi
leonthegee
Who cares. Its really about the top 3. Everybody after that you can argue for anybody. Who cares whos ranked 5th anyway? Its about putting asses in seats. Sergio was on the list forever and he can barely afford to eat at Bennigins.
mgrover
I don't find it a decent measure of anything anymore so really why bother
MAHDI
QUOTE (leonthegee @ Jun 7 2013, 07:42 AM) *
Who cares. Its really about the top 3. Everybody after that you can argue for anybody. Who cares whos ranked 5th anyway? Its about putting asses in seats. Sergio was on the list forever and he can barely afford to eat at Bennigins.




Two different subjects. I understand if you do not care and that is your choice. P4p and putting asses in the seats are two different things. Arturo gatti could put asses in the seats and he was not a p4p fighter. Broner puts asses in the seats? Martinez has belonged on the p4p list regardless to his ticket sales. My point is that p4p is a measure of skill based on dominance in the ring against the best available competition and doing so with consistency. Broner does not belong on the list and neither does Guerrero. I mean they have Broner ahead of Pacquaio LMAO thumbsdown_anim.gif

Ring's Stupid list:
1 Floyd
2Ward
3JMM
4Sergio Martinez
5Adrien Broner (what a joke)
6Pacman
7 wlad Klitchko
8Robert Guerrero
9Timothy Bradley
10 Donaire

Broner is on the list ahead of Klitchko? get the freak out of here... Ring Mag has lost their minds. Broner ahead of Bradley? LMAO
leonthegee
QUOTE (MAHDI @ Jun 7 2013, 04:56 AM) *
Two different subjects. I understand if you do not care and that is your choice. P4p and putting asses in the seats are two different things. Arturo gatti could put asses in the seats and he was not a p4p fighter. Broner puts asses in the seats? Martinez has belonged on the p4p list regardless to his ticket sales. My point is that p4p is a measure of skill based on dominance in the ring against the best available competition and doing so with consistency. Broner does not belong on the list and neither does Guerrero. I mean they have Broner ahead of Pacquaio LMAO thumbsdown_anim.gif

Ring's Stupid list:
1 Floyd
2Ward
3JMM
4Sergio Martinez
5Adrien Broner (what a joke)
6Pacman
7 wlad Klitchko
8Robert Guerrero
9Timothy Bradley
10 Donaire

Broner is on the list ahead of Klitchko? get the freak out of here... Ring Mag has lost their minds. Broner ahead of Bradley? LMAO


The top 3 I can live with. And if Broner doesn't have the goods he wont get a sniff of the top 3. Someone will knock him off. 4 thru 10 might as well be 50 to me.
Cshel86
Cant necessarily call the Ring Magazine stupid, especially if there were a people here who had Broner AND Gary Russell Jr. on their "P4P" list. Maybe it's just a mixture of excitement and agenda...who knows.
MAHDI
QUOTE (mgrover @ Jun 7 2013, 07:50 AM) *
I don't find it a decent measure of anything anymore so really why bother


Your comment makes mucho sense. When lists like this are put together by publications like the Ring your point of the P4p ratings not being a decent measure is real. the p4p category in my eyes meant something years ago, but maybe I was in another world.

QUOTE (leonthegee @ Jun 7 2013, 09:34 AM) *
The top 3 I can live with. And if Broner doesn't have the goods he wont get a sniff of the top 3. Someone will knock him off. 4 thru 10 might as well be 50 to me.



I see your top three logic. Broner makes this list a complete joke as and even more of a joke having Guerrero there.
MAHDI
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 7 2013, 09:51 AM) *
Cant necessarily call the Ring Magazine stupid, especially if there were a people here who had Broner AND Gary Russell Jr. on their "P4P" list. Maybe it's just a mixture of excitement and agenda...who knows.





Excitement and agenda...that makes sense but damned Broner P4P already? I mean then of course Saul Alvarez is P4p as well then. Guerrero on the list and of course he is no doubt removed after getting thrashed. We will see what happens with Broner in a few weeks.
Jovi
I may be the only one who would actually put Broner ahead of Martinez. Martinez was exposed his last fight and i see him losing alot more against anyone who is a good boxer...Also has anyone seen those recent pictures of Broner?! Looks like the weight up is doing him good, I can see him knocking out Paulie in brutal fashion then somehow getting bigger, i still haven't seen any of the videos he had on world star but more people will know him if he can keep promoting himself on there.

Donaire should be replaced with Rigondeaux, obvious reasons.
leonthegee
QUOTE (MAHDI @ Jun 7 2013, 06:56 AM) *
Your comment makes mucho sense. When lists like this are put together by publications like the Ring your point of the P4p ratings not being a decent measure is real. the p4p category in my eyes meant something years ago, but maybe I was in another world.




I see your top three logic. Broner makes this list a complete joke as and even more of a joke having Guerrero there.


Guerrero hadnt lost a fight in 7 years. At the same time I dont want to seem like im defending Guerrero or anything. As I said before 4 thru 10 might as well be 50. I care more about the division rankings than I do P4P because those match ups can actually happen. Wlad at 10 has no chance of ever fighting Ward.
Dolimite
QUOTE (MAHDI @ Jun 7 2013, 03:17 AM) *
Adrien Broner is ranked #5 pound for pound behind SERGIO MARTINEZ and I find this to be absolutely stupid. They even had Robert Guerrero at #8??? Lmao... Broner is on the list and the guy who whipped the dog crap out of Donaire is not on the list at all. Carl Froch is not on there??? I have been reading RING mag for more than 30 years... This magazine has lost my respect. Bottom line: Broner does not belong anywhere near that list. Let's go Malignaggi


Adrien Broner does not belong on the pound for pound list and neither does Pacquiao and definitely not Guerrero. Rigondeaux should be on there. I said in a different thread that Broner will lose very soon. he is not a disciplined individual and too be honest he relies heavily on his talent to get him the wins. The moment he faces someone with talent and skill it will be a embarrassing match up. When he goes to 140 he will find out what it takes to be number 1 and licking some stripper's clitoris isn't it. I agree with you Broner shouldn't be mentioned on anyone's pound for pound list.Gary Russell Jr. and the Charlo Twins in my opinion are the future of boxing. That Dargen kid has a great chance as well.
Jovi
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 7 2013, 12:43 PM) *
Adrien Broner does not belong on the pound for pound list and neither does Pacquiao and definitely not Guerrero. Rigondeaux should be on there. I said in a different thread that Broner will lose very soon. he is not a disciplined individual and too be honest he relies heavily on his talent to get him the wins. The moment he faces someone with talent and skill it will be a embarrassing match up. When he goes to 140 he will find out what it takes to be number 1 and licking some stripper's clitoris isn't it. I agree with you Broner shouldn't be mentioned on anyone's pound for pound list.Gary Russell Jr. and the Charlo Twins in my opinion are the future of boxing. That Dargen kid has a great chance as well.


I didn't wanna be the one to say it about Pacquiao you're right. The Charlo twins need to come for some big tv fights now to make that weight class interesting. I do like gary russell jr. he just needs some bigger fights..

The only way Adrien has hope is if he learns from mayweather by occasionally sparring with him and really try to study and master that style. Also a plus for Mayweather getting to Spar with broner and always know he has his reflexes against a young gunner.
TheChampJC
I would like to know the RING's logic in even placing Broner in the top 5; because right now, the only conceivable reason is that he's undefeated. And even then, his standing doesn't hold much merit considering the low-level of competition he has beaten. So, if THAT (Broner being undefeated) is the reason for his placing, then under that logic Timothy Bradley who is undefeated, beat Pacquiao (hey, it's an official win) AND just so happens to be coming off of a scintillating performance; should be at least #5, himself.

That being said, the RING is bordering on low-credibility and it sucks; because said publication was once the Gold-Standard in boxing publication.

- Champ
Tray1201
Broners a good fighter but he shouldn't be on the p4p list (not yet atleast) ...he has no major fight & we still don't know if he all hype or if he can actually beat good opponents I mean Gavin Rees ?com'on now
Junior80
I agree with #1 Floyd and #2 ward for sure , I see ward as the future #1
jtiizzle
abner mares and martinez should both be off, both very overrated.
sduck
I'll agree with Broner being at the bottom of the P4P list, if he beats Malignaggi.
iHateHaters
i think he does belong in the top 10 but 5 is a little high more like 9th and to be fair i think he beats everyone they ranked below around his weight classes if a fight did go down
checkleft
QUOTE (Jovi @ Jun 7 2013, 09:38 AM) *
I may be the only one who would actually put Broner ahead of Martinez. Martinez was exposed his last fight and i see him losing alot more against anyone who is a good boxer...Also has anyone seen those recent pictures of Broner?! Looks like the weight up is doing him good, I can see him knocking out Paulie in brutal fashion then somehow getting bigger, i still haven't seen any of the videos he had on world star but more people will know him if he can keep promoting himself on there.



QUOTE (jtiizzle @ Jun 7 2013, 04:29 PM) *
abner mares and martinez should both be off, both very overrated.

These two serious? Do people even know what exposed and overrated mean nowadays?? Smh

To answer the question tho, broner shouldn't be there. Wheres Hopkins is the better question, froch anyone?
mrchitown
Broner shouldn't be in the top 10, but top 15-20 that's reasonable
BigFightFan
It seems like they placed Broner on the list due to his potential, because his body of work definitely doesn't warrant such a ranking.
MAHDI
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 8 2013, 01:37 AM) *
These two serious? Do people even know what exposed and overrated mean nowadays?? Smh

To answer the question tho, broner shouldn't be there. Wheres Hopkins is the better question, froch anyone?





How could I have forgotten the Legendary Hopkins. Broner and Robert Guerrero over Hopkins who makes history every time he steps in the ring... LMAO This seems like a casual fan made this list
Junior80
QUOTE (BigFightFan @ Jun 8 2013, 11:41 AM) *
It seems like they placed Broner on the list due to his potential, because his body of work definitely doesn't warrant such a ranking.

I had the pleasure of sitting 3rd row back on the floor for broner - Reese , let me tell you , you're probably right, this guy has the stuff, I believe he will beat paulie providing the weight jump doesn't effect his skill set, and this guy can go far , Floyd know this, why do you think Floyd pulled this guy into his circle.
Quincy65
HAHA!!! Lets see how many people are going to be eating their words and on the bandwagon, when Broner shows everyone what he can really do. Its so funny how blind people can be. Respect the talent.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Quincy65 @ Jun 12 2013, 07:33 PM) *
HAHA!!! Lets see how many people are going to be eating their words and on the bandwagon, when Broner shows everyone what he can really do. Its so funny how blind people can be. Respect the talent.


respect the talent...but reward the man for accomplishment, not potential.

welcome.
Dolimite
QUOTE (Quincy65 @ Jun 12 2013, 03:33 PM) *
HAHA!!! Lets see how many people are going to be eating their words and on the bandwagon, when Broner shows everyone what he can really do. Its so funny how blind people can be. Respect the talent.

Broner is very talented but he lacks discipline and you have to have discipline inside the ring and outside. He parties, drinks, and he doesn't study his craft enough. Of all the young fighters that are coming up I think he is one of the top talents but you have to nourish those talents. You can't just rely on those talents because someone will be just as talented but with the mindset, skillset, and discipline to hone those skills to beat him. Broner is going to get beat sooner rather than later. Great talent but poor discipline. See Zab Judah.
Junior80
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 12 2013, 09:10 PM) *
Broner is very talented but he lacks discipline and you have to have discipline inside the ring and outside. He parties, drinks, and he doesn't study his craft enough. Of all the young fighters that are coming up I think he is one of the top talents but you have to nourish those talents. You can't just rely on those talents because someone will be just as talented but with the mindset, skillset, and discipline to hone those skills to beat him. Broner is going to get beat sooner rather than later. Great talent but poor discipline. See Zab Judah.

He hangs out with Floyd mayweather, im sure he is learning plenty, he isn't in the mayweather circle calling him "big brother" for nothing
MAHDI
QUOTE (Junior80 @ Jun 12 2013, 09:27 PM) *
He hangs out with Floyd mayweather, im sure he is learning plenty, he isn't in the mayweather circle calling him "big brother" for nothing



He drinks and eats out strippers... he is ? thus far. We will see where his talent takes him
Dolimite
QUOTE (Junior80 @ Jun 12 2013, 06:27 PM) *
He hangs out with Floyd mayweather, im sure he is learning plenty, he isn't in the mayweather circle calling him "big brother" for nothing

He wants the fame and money that Floyd has, not his work rate. Big difference.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 12 2013, 08:10 PM) *
Broner is very talented but he lacks discipline and you have to have discipline inside the ring and outside. He parties, drinks, and he doesn't study his craft enough. Of all the young fighters that are coming up I think he is one of the top talents but you have to nourish those talents. You can't just rely on those talents because someone will be just as talented but with the mindset, skillset, and discipline to hone those skills to beat him. Broner is going to get beat sooner rather than later. Great talent but poor discipline. See Zab Judah.


That hot cali weather is baking your damn brain. You have no proof that he doesn't take the sport seriously. Jon Jones parties and I don't see anyone on the horizon who's going to whip him. NFL, NBA players do it to. That doesn't indicate a decline or a lack of respect for their craft. And his trainer is top notch so this foolishness your spewing is pure fuckery. He clowns in front of the camera and I don't like some of the stuff he does like the stripper stuff but I bet your favorite athlete has done son far worse or something to the effect of what Broner does
Quincy65
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 12 2013, 07:31 PM) *
That hot cali weather is baking your damn brain. You have no proof that he doesn't take the sport seriously. Jon Jones parties and I don't see anyone on the horizon who's going to whip him. NFL, NBA players do it to. That doesn't indicate a decline or a lack of respect for their craft. And his trainer is top notch so this foolishness your spewing is pure fuckery. He clowns in front of the camera and I don't like some of the stuff he does like the stripper stuff but I bet your favorite athlete has done son far worse or something to the effect of what Broner does


Thank you!!!
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 12 2013, 06:31 PM) *
That hot cali weather is baking your damn brain. You have no proof that he doesn't take the sport seriously. Jon Jones parties and I don't see anyone on the horizon who's going to whip him. NFL, NBA players do it to. That doesn't indicate a decline or a lack of respect for their craft. And his trainer is top notch so this foolishness your spewing is pure fuckery. He clowns in front of the camera and I don't like some of the stuff he does like the stripper stuff but I bet your favorite athlete has done son far worse or something to the effect of what Broner does

It is in the 70s out here cousin so no sun issues. NFL and the NBA are team sports and seasonal. When Shaq fat ass came into camp out of shape his teammates complained about it. You have to be dedicated to your craft at all times, especially in boxing. When Broner fought Reese he was getting hit with shots that a skilled boxer with his talents would not of gotten hit with. I think Chsels said this in another thread. Broner is talented but lack discipline. It is going to catch up with him. My favorite athlete is dead. Arthur Ash would not have done anything that Broner is doing. That man was disciplined on and off the tennis court. Broner is a clown and he tries to hard to be "controversial. I am telling it will catch up with him. Mark my words....
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 13 2013, 09:34 AM) *
It is in the 70s out here cousin so no sun issues. NFL and the NBA are team sports and seasonal. When Shaq fat ass came into camp out of shape his teammates complained about it. You have to be dedicated to your craft at all times, especially in boxing. When Broner fought Reese he was getting hit with shots that a skilled boxer with his talents would not of gotten hit with. I think Chsels said this in another thread. Broner is talented but lack discipline. It is going to catch up with him. My favorite athlete is dead. Arthur Ash would not have done anything that Broner is doing. That man was disciplined on and off the tennis court. Broner is a clown and he tries to hard to be "controversial. I am telling it will catch up with him. Mark my words....


I don't see him going undefeated in his career but you and anyone else who believes that bullshit you spewing should be laughed at every time you speak. He gets hit with shots he shouldn't get hit with every time he fights and that's due to him standing in the pocket a lot. No one on this board has been in his camp or been around him in between fights ti speak on his dedication.

And so what if their team sports Jordan hit a casino in NY in the 93 playoffs and it was a crucial game for them and he still whipped their tail. All athletes club because they get paid to be there. Don't single him out just because you probably don't like him. Once again your bit picking at someone I don't think you care for which is fine but state facts. When you been around the man to speak to his dedication. I'll answer for you, not never. His issue isn't one of discipline its one of buffoonery and he does that in the ring too. I agree he will take an L but I see no one on the horizon that's gon clip him just yet
daprofessor
i don't know broner either....

but when u see video of him drunk and eating stripper cootchie in the club....and you hear stories of him getting dropped by a dude who just turned pro in sparring....it's easy to assume he has no discipline. and let's not act like he didn't get touched up by gavin reese. that shouldn't have happened.

we know when jordan was up in that casino...he was gambling. not getting drunk acting a fool. and when floyds up in that club...he ain't taking a sip of liquor or licking no stripper cootchie. i guess what i'm getting at is that there are different levels of discipline. so in comparison to floyd...who broner wants to be....he lacks discipline.
MAHDI
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 13 2013, 02:38 PM) *
i don't know broner either....

but when u see video of him drunk and eating stripper cootchie in the club....and you hear stories of him getting dropped by a dude who just turned pro in sparring....it's easy to assume he has no discipline. and let's not act like he didn't get touched up by gavin reese. that shouldn't have happened.

we know when jordan was up in that casino...he was gambling. not getting drunk acting a fool. and when floyds up in that club...he ain't taking a sip of liquor or licking no stripper cootchie. i guess what i'm getting at is that there are different levels of discipline. so in comparison to floyd...who broner wants to be....he lacks discipline.




For sure. eating stripper coochie? that is reckless. I see him getting reckless in ring sooner than later and it will cost him at welter unless he does a complete 360 from where he currently is mentally. This upcoming fight will answer some questions.
Junior80
QUOTE (MAHDI @ Jun 13 2013, 02:57 PM) *
For sure. eating stripper coochie? that is reckless. I see him getting reckless in ring sooner than later and it will cost him at welter unless he does a complete 360 from where he currently is mentally. This upcoming fight will answer some questions.

I'm hoping Floyd mentors him, he is the perfect style boxer for Floyd to shape and mold
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 13 2013, 01:38 PM) *
i don't know broner either....

but when u see video of him drunk and eating stripper cootchie in the club....and you hear stories of him getting dropped by a dude who just turned pro in sparring....it's easy to assume he has no discipline. and let's not act like he didn't get touched up by gavin reese. that shouldn't have happened.

we know when jordan was up in that casino...he was gambling. not getting drunk acting a fool. and when floyds up in that club...he ain't taking a sip of liquor or licking no stripper cootchie. i guess what i'm getting at is that there are different levels of discipline. so in comparison to floyd...who broner wants to be....he lacks discipline.


True he does dumb stuff but I'm not acting like anything. You and dolomite are making me seem a bigger fan of dude then I really am. But I feal in truth and the truth is until one of you be around the dude and see it for yourselves I don't agree with the discipline aspect. You don't know what Jordan was doing in them casinos. Look at Rodman he was a party machine and it didn't hinder him. It is different level of discipline but it's different levels of common sense also. If dude wants go drink the. He gon do it. Plenty of boxers do it. Danny Garcia dumb ass was rumored to be in Philly poppin bottles when he should've been training for Zab

Now I don't agree with boxers doing it because it's a different element. My best sports were the sports where I ain't have to depend on a team like boxing and track and I did all that in college and then some. I partied the nights before a meet and won medals the next morning. Some people can do it but obviously some people can't

I see your point but I think it's foolish to question someone's discipline and you know jack she about them. It's easy on the outside looking in. You a older guy I'm sure your familiar with that
mrchitown
Hey dolomite....3 more victories til we take the cup laugh.gif
mrchitown
QUOTE (Junior80 @ Jun 13 2013, 02:55 PM) *
I'm hoping Floyd mentors him, he is the perfect style boxer for Floyd to shape and mold


True. He does display a lack of immaturity. Sometimes I wonder if it's an act or if it's really the way he is
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 13 2013, 04:04 PM) *
True he does dumb stuff but I'm not acting like anything. You and dolomite are making me seem a bigger fan of dude then I really am. But I feal in truth and the truth is until one of you be around the dude and see it for yourselves I don't agree with the discipline aspect. You don't know what Jordan was doing in them casinos. Look at Rodman he was a party machine and it didn't hinder him. It is different level of discipline but it's different levels of common sense also. If dude wants go drink the. He gon do it. Plenty of boxers do it. Danny Garcia dumb ass was rumored to be in Philly poppin bottles when he should've been training for Zab

Now I don't agree with boxers doing it because it's a different element. My best sports were the sports where I ain't have to depend on a team like boxing and track and I did all that in college and then some. I partied the nights before a meet and won medals the next morning. Some people can do it but obviously some people can't

I see your point but I think it's foolish to question someone's discipline and you know jack she about them. It's easy on the outside looking in. You a older guy I'm sure your familiar with that


i've been in the gym with broner. i don't question his work ethic at all. work ethic and discipline are two different things. no one is saying he doesn't work hard. you're right...some guys can get away with partying and still whoop ass. mike tyson was one of them dudes.
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 13 2013, 09:00 AM) *
I don't see him going undefeated in his career but you and anyone else who believes that bullshit you spewing should be laughed at every time you speak. He gets hit with shots he shouldn't get hit with every time he fights and that's due to him standing in the pocket a lot. No one on this board has been in his camp or been around him in between fights ti speak on his dedication.

And so what if their team sports Jordan hit a casino in NY in the 93 playoffs and it was a crucial game for them and he still whipped their tail. All athletes club because they get paid to be there. Don't single him out just because you probably don't like him. Once again your bit picking at someone I don't think you care for which is fine but state facts. When you been around the man to speak to his dedication. I'll answer for you, not never. His issue isn't one of discipline its one of buffoonery and he does that in the ring too. I agree he will take an L but I see no one on the horizon that's gon clip him just yet


I am not around Broner you are right but from what i have seen and heard he lacks discipline. He may have a hard work ethic but discipline is key. he has the hard work aspect but the dedication I question....
I like Broner... I do, as a boxer I think he has all the gifts it takes to be number one, and I am not making you out to be a fanboy of Broner's either. I know you Chicago cats like anyone rough around the edges, hence yawls love for Rodman!
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 13 2013, 10:38 AM) *
i don't know broner either....

but when u see video of him drunk and eating stripper cootchie in the club....and you hear stories of him getting dropped by a dude who just turned pro in sparring....it's easy to assume he has no discipline. and let's not act like he didn't get touched up by gavin reese. that shouldn't have happened.

we know when jordan was up in that casino...he was gambling. not getting drunk acting a fool. and when floyds up in that club...he ain't taking a sip of liquor or licking no stripper cootchie. i guess what i'm getting at is that there are different levels of discipline. so in comparison to floyd...who broner wants to be....he lacks discipline.

Thank YOU Professor, someone understands what I am saying!

QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 13 2013, 12:13 PM) *
Hey dolomite....3 more victories til we take the cup laugh.gif

That was a hell of a game last night! 3 Overtimes. Amazing.....simply amazing. Those boys have heart. But still.... Fuck the Blackhawks!
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 13 2013, 05:12 PM) *
I am not around Broner you are right but from what i have seen and heard he lacks discipline. He may have a hard work ethic but discipline is key. he has the hard work aspect but the dedication I question....
I like Broner... I do, as a boxer I think he has all the gifts it takes to be number one, and I am not making you out to be a fanboy of Broner's either. I know you Chicago cats like anyone rough around the edges, hence yawls love for Rodman!

Thank YOU Professor, someone understands what I am saying!


That was a hell of a game last night! 3 Overtimes. Amazing.....simply amazing. Those boys have heart. But still.... Fuck the Blackhawks!


Yeah we like toughness not pussies lol.

I think what Broner's career is going to come down to is maturity. If he doesn't grow up inside and outside the ring then it's a wrap. I think me, you, professor, and everyone else on this board wants to see how he fares with some junior welters Luke Matthysse and Garcia and Peterson. Fighting those types will show us who Adrien Broner is

That game was wild. It's crazy that the original 6 made it to the end
Junior80
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 13 2013, 04:14 PM) *
True. He does display a lack of immaturity. Sometimes I wonder if it's an act or if it's really the way he is

I wonder the same thing, he does seem like a sharp guy, so it is very possibly and act to make himself more marketable and it's working
checkleft
I don't get why people got so excited about broner getting touched up by reese. It wasn't by accident! Lol, he stayed in there because gavin can't crack. Do you know how many times Floyd did that in the lower classes and got touched up for it to? I'm not saying its smart but come on guys he didn't respect his power and he stayed in there cause he wanted to not because he couldn't avoid him lol. Way to much weight being put in that fight. I don't remember people giving Floyd flac for choosing to trade with Emmanuel and getting his nose busted.

Bottom line is broner has a lot of talent and a good amount of skill. He has the tools but he lacks some focus, I could see him getting upset by any number of guys and that's probably why he skipped a stacked division. But I don't blame him because once those dudes move up he might already have a belt and they will have to Chase him.
Dolimite
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 14 2013, 09:51 PM) *
I don't get why people got so excited about broner getting touched up by reese. It wasn't by accident! Lol, he stayed in there because gavin can't crack. Do you know how many times Floyd did that in the lower classes and got touched up for it to? I'm not saying its smart but come on guys he didn't respect his power and he stayed in there cause he wanted to not because he couldn't avoid him lol. Way to much weight being put in that fight. I don't remember people giving Floyd flac for choosing to trade with Emmanuel and getting his nose busted.

Bottom line is broner has a lot of talent and a good amount of skill. He has the tools but he lacks some focus, I could see him getting upset by any number of guys and that's probably why he skipped a stacked division. But I don't blame him because once those dudes move up he might already have a belt and they will have to Chase him.


Up until that fight Floyd showed his defensive skills. we knew what he could do... Broner I have to idea yet. The Manny Augustus fight was the first time Floyd actually stood toe to toe and got hit. It was a great fight and if you noticed he hasn't fought like that since that fight....
checkleft
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 15 2013, 12:17 PM) *
Up until that fight Floyd showed his defensive skills. we knew what he could do... Broner I have to idea yet. The Manny Augustus fight was the first time Floyd actually stood toe to toe and got hit. It was a great fight and if you noticed he hasn't fought like that since that fight....

He stood toe to toe with Mosley. But he chose to trade and broner has shown flashes of brilliance defensively to but he chooses to trade, he's even said it he likes to trade instead of focusing so much on defense. In the demarco fight he got touched well maybe what?.. twice?

Bradley could have ran from ruslan all night but he didn't. It could have been a relatively easy decision for him buy sometimes the fighters have other plans even tho they have the skills to avoid a fire fight
MAHDI
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 15 2013, 09:42 PM) *
He stood toe to toe with Mosley. But he chose to trade and broner has shown flashes of brilliance defensively to but he chooses to trade, he's even said it he likes to trade instead of focusing so much on defense. In the demarco fight he got touched well maybe what?.. twice?

Bradley could have ran from ruslan all night but he didn't. It could have been a relatively easy decision for him buy sometimes the fighters have other plans even tho they have the skills to avoid a fire fight



Boxing is not running... That is a casual fan's analysis. Bradely could have boxed his way to victory. He does not hit hard enough to continue fighting in the manner he fought the russian and will cut his career short if he fights that way again
checkleft
QUOTE (MAHDI @ Jun 16 2013, 06:13 PM) *
Boxing is not running... That is a casual fan's analysis. Bradely could have boxed his way to victory. He does not hit hard enough to continue fighting in the manner he fought the russian and will cut his career short if he fights that way again

The point I was trying to make is that many fighters could easily outbox a lot of fighters but feel like they have to probe something so they don't.

Only a causal fan would miss that.
MAHDI
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 16 2013, 10:50 PM) *
The point I was trying to make is that many fighters could easily outbox a lot of fighters but feel like they have to probe something so they don't.

Only a causal fan would miss that.



drinks.gif I am no casual fan but I hear you.
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The difference between Floyd and Broner outside the ring is, Floyd parties partly because of business. His persona makes him money. Broner would be partying whether he was a household name or not. Also, Floyd comes home from the club and throws on the sweats to go work out. I highly doubt Broner is comin home drunk and running miles while intoxicated. In a few interviews Floyd had in NYC, he seemed a bit "over" Broner and the comparisons. I think Broner is closer to him than he is to Broner. I won't accuse Broner of not being a hard worker. None of us are in his camps. That being said, he does seem to lose focus and professionalism at times. Not just out of the ring but in the ring by, like daprofessor said, getting hit unnecessarily by outclassed fighters like Gavin Reese.
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