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Dolimite
Kirkland got his contract with GB voided. I guess it is good news. I wonder who will he sign with. The first thing he needs to do is get Al Haymon to manage him, this way he can still fight the 154 fighters that Golden Boy has. Second, he needs to get a legit trainer. I do respect with Anne Wolfe (I think that is the only woman Chi is afraid of), but he needs a trainer. I am thinking someone that can really work on his defense and punches, why not Jeff Mayweather? Or even Virgil Hunter? I am glad Kirkland is getting his career in order, I always liked James.
Cshel86
Let's not get too excited here...he just got arrested last week for domestic violence against his girlfriend....so the shit show isn't quite over.
checkleft
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 25 2013, 02:54 PM) *
Let's not get too excited here...he just got arrested last week for domestic violence against his girlfriend....so the shit show isn't quite over.

Yea I'm pretty sure hes on parole. And plus now he is on the outside looking in, almost everyone is under gbp.
daprofessor
if he signs with haymon...all will be good. he's not going to find another trainer like anne wolfe to get him right though. this dude needs someone to push him in the gym...or at least so it seems to me. he is pretty much what he is at this point.
mgrover
seems like another wasted talent.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 25 2013, 07:10 PM) *
if he signs with haymon...all will be good. he's not going to find another trainer like anne wolfe to get him right though. this dude needs someone to push him in the gym...or at least so it seems to me. he is pretty much what he is at this point.


Explain to me why Haymon would deal with this guy. I love Kirkland and all, and let's not act like when he fights he isn't must see tv but the guy is a fuckin criminal. Sometimes you can't help people. Now GB may have did some things wrong in terms of his contract but these the same people who went to bat for him in a MAJOR way when he messed up the first time. He has no loyalty and I personally wouldn't want to deal with him

He has excuses every time he's lost, what was it the last time, they made him drink out of a black bottle. The likelyhood of him signing to Haymon isn't good, I'd be shocked if Haymon picked him up. The guy is what he is as you pointed out but he doesn't have the mindframe outside the ring to stay outta trouble. I hope he gets his career back on track but if I was approached with the option to sign him, I'd say fuck him
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 25 2013, 01:42 PM) *
Kirkland got his contract with GB voided. I guess it is good news. I wonder who will he sign with. The first thing he needs to do is get Al Haymon to manage him, this way he can still fight the 154 fighters that Golden Boy has. Second, he needs to get a legit trainer. I do respect with Anne Wolfe (I think that is the only woman Chi is afraid of), but he needs a trainer. I am thinking someone that can really work on his defense and punches, why not Jeff Mayweather? Or even Virgil Hunter? I am glad Kirkland is getting his career in order, I always liked James.


I must be tired because I read your post 3x's and I'm just now catching this laugh.gif ....but nah, I aint going head up with that cyborg, no got damn way. I need some back up

Interesting that you brought up Hunter has a possibility, Kirkland needs discipline more then anything and Virgil would provide that. I want to see Kirkland get back on track but he's one disloyal SOB. What ever happens I hope it works out for him because he is an exciting fighter and I'd like to see him stay out of trouble
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 25 2013, 08:10 PM) *
if he signs with haymon...all will be good. he's not going to find another trainer like anne wolfe to get him right though. this dude needs someone to push him in the gym...or at least so it seems to me. he is pretty much what he is at this point.

Even if haymon signed him (which I doubt because the guy is a liability) I doubt gbp would do any business involving kirkland. The guy was getting schooled by molina anyway... Why did I when mention that just thinking about that fight pissed me off
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 25 2013, 11:10 PM) *
Explain to me why Haymon would deal with this guy. I love Kirkland and all, and let's not act like when he fights he isn't must see tv but the guy is a fuckin criminal. Sometimes you can't help people. Now GB may have did some things wrong in terms of his contract but these the same people who went to bat for him in a MAJOR way when he messed up the first time. He has no loyalty and I personally wouldn't want to deal with him

He has excuses every time he's lost, what was it the last time, they made him drink out of a black bottle. The likelyhood of him signing to Haymon isn't good, I'd be shocked if Haymon picked him up. The guy is what he is as you pointed out but he doesn't have the mindframe outside the ring to stay outta trouble. I hope he gets his career back on track but if I was approached with the option to sign him, I'd say fuck him

He needs structure. I am sorry about the domestic violence case that he has. I think James can get his mind right he will be okay. I think his prison stint screwed with his head. he just needs therapy and to get back in the ring where he shines in, Haymon could help him. I mean if Haymon has Broner (who is a rape case waiting to happen) then he can provide the help that Kirkland needs. Plus, I thought you Chicago cats love a hood dude, there you go.


QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 26 2013, 05:46 AM) *
Even if haymon signed him (which I doubt because the guy is a liability) I doubt gbp would do any business involving kirkland. The guy was getting schooled by molina anyway... Why did I when mention that just thinking about that fight pissed me off


If Haymon can handle Broner, he can handle Kirkland. He would just have to cuff Kirkland.
xxxxxx
Hopefully Kirkland get get his act together quickly and get a fight scheduled before the end of the year. He's a very exciting fighter with his power and suspect chin.
Cshel86
Forget about him...he's done. As you guys have mentioned, dude's a liability and has no loyalty. GBP wasn't all that innocent either, that's if anybody remembers them trying to feed him to Angulo, but the shit backfired. Not only did it backfire, but Gary Shaw got a good chuckle out of it, because Angulo left him on bad terms, to strive for the fool's gold that GBP offered.

With that in mind, lack of loyalty, usually leads to dead end roads. Angulo AND Kirkland have and will feel the wrath of disloyalty. As far as Im concerned, all of Kirkland's flaws have been exposed in the ring, and he's too damn stupid to function in society. honestly, I believe that he may be a bit...slow (mentally challenged).

I have a full understanding that people make mistakes, but at this point, he just shoots from the hip with nonsense. He's a grown freakin' man, so all of the talk about him needing guidance and discipline, needs to end. After spending two years in prison, then being able to return to your way of life is blessing...about 90% of society doesn't have that luxury. What does he do? He finds another way to ruin it.

The same way that I lack sympathy for these currently broke fighters who've made more money than I'll ever make and lived the life that most dream of, is the same lack of sympathy that I feel for jail birds who are allowed back into society and able to resume their profession (which pays a substantial amount of money).

If anybody decides to sign him, I can bet my last buck that they'll feed him with a 50-foot wooden spoon...they may decide to have him on a 1-year contract until he can prove that he truly doesn't have tumbleweed bouncing in his head, and that he CAN make logical decisions in and out of the ring.

I hate to sound judgmental, but this dude has to get it together soon.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 26 2013, 09:21 AM) *
He needs structure. I am sorry about the domestic violence case that he has. I think James can get his mind right he will be okay. I think his prison stint screwed with his head. he just needs therapy and to get back in the ring where he shines in, Haymon could help him. I mean if Haymon has Broner (who is a rape case waiting to happen) then he can provide the help that Kirkland needs. Plus, I thought you Chicago cats love a hood dude, there you go.




If Haymon can handle Broner, he can handle Kirkland. He would just have to cuff Kirkland.


Stop it with the Broner hate, he maybe an asshole outside the ring but he has more talent in his thumb then Kirkland had completely. And if Adrien gets in serious trouble Luke how Kirkland seems to find himself in then I'll look at him differently. I know you hate him but don't let your hate for him cloud your rationality. James can't stay out of trouble. He does seem to be a head case. The same way you down Broner is the way people down Floyd, but one thing he and Adrien have that Kirkland doesn't have is loyalty

He has zero loyalty and that will be his undoing in addition to his prison like mentality. There was already the tell tale signs of this when he got ko'd by Ishida and blamed it on Shields. but when shields was interviewed he said James doesn't like discipline. And sure as shit he ran right back to the place where he had his troubles in life. He's a airhead it seems. Even Wolfe had to keep a tight leash on him and that's really saying something

I love a good comeback story and he would be one of the best ones but he has to put it all together in the ring, outside the ring, and mentally and he doesn't seem capable of doing that. Loyalty is everything, in business and in life and James has none, plus the risk outweighs the reward. I think it's over. He may fight but it won't do him any good from here on out
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 26 2013, 03:10 AM) *
Explain to me why Haymon would deal with this guy. I love Kirkland and all, and let's not act like when he fights he isn't must see tv but the guy is a fuckin criminal. Sometimes you can't help people. Now GB may have did some things wrong in terms of his contract but these the same people who went to bat for him in a MAJOR way when he messed up the first time. He has no loyalty and I personally wouldn't want to deal with him

He has excuses every time he's lost, what was it the last time, they made him drink out of a black bottle. The likelyhood of him signing to Haymon isn't good, I'd be shocked if Haymon picked him up. The guy is what he is as you pointed out but he doesn't have the mindframe outside the ring to stay outta trouble. I hope he gets his career back on track but if I was approached with the option to sign him, I'd say fuck him


fighters can be some questionable people. they aren't like everyone else. this is a dude who if it weren't for boxing he would be in jail, period. sure...what gbp and oscar did for him was great...but let's not get it twisted, they profit off of him. he took short money to fight angulo in what was a very risky situation and he won. give the man what you promised. just because he foiled the plan, don't treat him like shit. it's a two way street. i think he has some legit concerns and unfortunately boxing isn't the cleanest of sports and everyone is suspect. his ppl trying to force him to fight the fight of his life with a bad shoulder is short sighted. they weren't looking out for his best interest...they just wanted the quick pay day. imo, he lives to fight another day and will get more pay days. tomorrows pay days aren't promised. he has to look out for himself in this all.

i'd say haymon would deal with him for the simple fact that he's got a lot left and he's very marketable. he's a player in the 154 division. he's a threat to anyone.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 26 2013, 09:46 AM) *
Even if haymon signed him (which I doubt because the guy is a liability) I doubt gbp would do any business involving kirkland. The guy was getting schooled by molina anyway... Why did I when mention that just thinking about that fight pissed me off


gbp is following haymons lead. they'll do business. it's like arum doing business with 50 and gamboa. they ain't turning away money. i thought he was getting schooled by molina as well. i thought the stoppage was bullshit. he had a bad shoulder going into that fight. boxing is hard enough without injuries...but he should have never been in the ring for that fight imo.
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 26 2013, 10:20 AM) *
Stop it with the Broner hate, he maybe an asshole outside the ring but he has more talent in his thumb then Kirkland had completely. And if Adrien gets in serious trouble Luke how Kirkland seems to find himself in then I'll look at him differently. I know you hate him but don't let your hate for him cloud your rationality. James can't stay out of trouble. He does seem to be a head case. The same way you down Broner is the way people down Floyd, but one thing he and Adrien have that Kirkland doesn't have is loyalty

He has zero loyalty and that will be his undoing in addition to his prison like mentality. There was already the tell tale signs of this when he got ko'd by Ishida and blamed it on Shields. but when shields was interviewed he said James doesn't like discipline. And sure as shit he ran right back to the place where he had his troubles in life. He's a airhead it seems. Even Wolfe had to keep a tight leash on him and that's really saying something

I love a good comeback story and he would be one of the best ones but he has to put it all together in the ring, outside the ring, and mentally and he doesn't seem capable of doing that. Loyalty is everything, in business and in life and James has none, plus the risk outweighs the reward. I think it's over. He may fight but it won't do him any good from here on out

I don't hate Broner, I hate his bullshit antics, his bullshit antics that will get him in serious trouble. After Saturday's fuck shit that he pulled in the ring, Broner lost my respect. Kirkland I feel bad for. I hope dude gets his shit together.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 26 2013, 01:58 PM) *
fighters can be some questionable people. they aren't like everyone else. this is a dude who if it weren't for boxing he would be in jail, period. sure...what gbp and oscar did for him was great...but let's not get it twisted, they profit off of him. he took short money to fight angulo in what was a very risky situation and he won. give the man what you promised. just because he foiled the plan, don't treat him like shit. it's a two way street. i think he has some legit concerns and unfortunately boxing isn't the cleanest of sports and everyone is suspect. his ppl trying to force him to fight the fight of his life with a bad shoulder is short sighted. they weren't looking out for his best interest...they just wanted the quick pay day. imo, he lives to fight another day and will get more pay days. tomorrows pay days aren't promised. he has to look out for himself in this all.

i'd say haymon would deal with him for the simple fact that he's got a lot left and he's very marketable. he's a player in the 154 division. he's a threat to anyone.


I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for disloyal people. Whether he boxed or not that's a character issue. Good fighter with shitty principles. He will have more paydays, this much is true but I'm sure from a business standpoint they will look at him very differently
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 26 2013, 02:35 PM) *
I don't hate Broner, I hate his bullshit antics, his bullshit antics that will get him in serious trouble. After Saturday's fuck shit that he pulled in the ring, Broner lost my respect. Kirkland I feel bad for. I hope dude gets his shit together.


Yeah you do, he ain't the first person who pulled fuck boy antics. And we all know of people who do fuck shit, we just look at Broner differently. But that's rightfully so, be needs a lesson in being humble. I don't feel bad for a disloyal cat. My morals and principles don't allow for it. I grew up being taught that honesty, respect, loyalty, etc is a foundation. He doesn't seem to have that. I want to see him succeed but I could care less if he is a player in the sport anymore
checkleft
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 26 2013, 10:21 AM) *
He needs structure. I am sorry about the domestic violence case that he has. I think James can get his mind right he will be okay. I think his prison stint screwed with his head. he just needs therapy and to get back in the ring where he shines in, Haymon could help him. I mean if Haymon has Broner (who is a rape case waiting to happen) then he can provide the help that Kirkland needs. Plus, I thought you Chicago cats love a hood dude, there you go.




If Haymon can handle Broner, he can handle Kirkland. He would just have to cuff Kirkland.

Broner isn't a repeat criminal. Same deal as this hernandez BS the patriots had to deal with, why keep a guy who's probably gonna be in and out of jail anyway. There's no point, the guy isn't gonna learn his lesson.

Mayweather LOOKS as if he has
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 26 2013, 05:35 PM) *
I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for disloyal people. Whether he boxed or not that's a character issue. Good fighter with shitty principles. He will have more paydays, this much is true but I'm sure from a business standpoint they will look at him very differently


so was golden boy disloyal for saying the winner of kirkland/angulo gets canelo...only to match canelo against someone else?

were they loyal for paying him less than what he should have been paid for that fight?

were they loyal for offering him peanuts on short notice to fight canelo and trying to force the fight when they knew he had a bad shoulder?

don't bite the hand that feeds you but if that hand is smacking the shit out of you turn the other cheek? loyalty works both ways imo.
Dolimite
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 26 2013, 02:00 PM) *
so was golden boy disloyal for saying the winner of kirkland/angulo gets canelo...only to match canelo against someone else?

were they loyal for paying him less than what he should have been paid for that fight?

were they loyal for offering him peanuts on short notice to fight canelo and trying to force the fight when they knew he had a bad shoulder?

don't bite the hand that feeds you but if that hand is smacking the shit out of you turn the other cheek? loyalty works both ways imo.

I can I get an Amen


I do not hate Broner Chi, I hate his antics and his fuck shit is off the charts. His sportmanship is terrible. I just think if he does not get his shit together he could be another tragedy.

Aaron Hernandez is officially off my fantasy team. Such a waste. Checkleft, that had to be the dumbest thing someone could of done. I have no idea what the dude did to get murked, but surely it wasn't worth it. Sad.

James Kirkland still has a shot...a very small one but still he has a chance.
daprofessor
from lem satterfields article...

QUOTE
"The Judge ruled that Golden Boy's contract extensions were illegal. So, instead of having him under contract through October of 2015, Kirkland will be free from Golden Boy on October 15, 2013," stated Gary in an an e-mail on Monday.

"Trial is still set for October 8, 2013 to resolve the remaining issues. Kirkland is suing Golden Boy for being paid less than his contracted minimum on three occasions, and Golden Boy is counter-suing Kirkland for suing them... This is a major victory for the fighter."
Dolimite
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 26 2013, 04:50 PM) *
from lem satterfields article...

Why be loyal to snakes?
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 26 2013, 05:00 PM) *
so was golden boy disloyal for saying the winner of kirkland/angulo gets canelo...only to match canelo against someone else?

were they loyal for paying him less than what he should have been paid for that fight?

were they loyal for offering him peanuts on short notice to fight canelo and trying to force the fight when they knew he had a bad shoulder?

don't bite the hand that feeds you but if that hand is smacking the shit out of you turn the other cheek? loyalty works both ways imo.


Loyalty does work both ways but your logic seems off. If someone is disloyal to you the you cut them off. I'm not going to be disloyal to someone even though they are to me. You just keep it moving. That's little 4th grade shit, this person did this so I'm gonna do that. I'd never compromise my morals just because someone shows a lack of them.

What did he do to deserve more cash to fight Canelo, it's obvious they've been trying to cash out on him Since he got ko'd by that kid who couldn't break wind. But he had an excuse for that too as we all heard. He never had a problem with anything until he lost or shit didn't go his way. GB did some stupid stuff and they will continue to do so, I think they gon try to cash out on a few of their fighters soon like Khan.

But it's something to be said when someone is down to allegedly get screwed over cuz they winning but win they lose they throw hissy fits and blame others. The way he puts the losses off on Others reminds me of Chad Dawson. He needs to take some accountability for what he does, now look at him. He may have one something in this case bug let's see how that criminal case goes.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 26 2013, 05:19 PM) *
I can I get an Amen


I do not hate Broner Chi, I hate his antics and his fuck shit is off the charts. His sportmanship is terrible. I just think if he does not get his shit together he could be another tragedy.

Aaron Hernandez is officially off my fantasy team. Such a waste. Checkleft, that had to be the dumbest thing someone could of done. I have no idea what the dude did to get murked, but surely it wasn't worth it. Sad.

James Kirkland still has a shot...a very small one but still he has a chance.


Broner is a better fighter then Kirkland therefore he will get afforded more opportunities then Kirkland. Outside the ring they both leave something to be desired. I. Sorry but you and professor keep spewing this bullshit when this cat supposedly beat on a female. People were all over it when Floyd supposedly did it. He ain't worth the risk. He a career criminal. A damn nine time felon who can't get his shit together. I see what you and professor are saying but the fact that they helped this man before in his legal troubles trumps all that they didn't mistreat him until he did the shit. They are technically just as petty as he is. I'm glad he won the case and I think GB should've let him go. I can't wait to see how it plays out and where he ends up. But karma is a mutha and he will feel it
checkleft
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 26 2013, 10:49 PM) *
Broner is a better fighter then Kirkland therefore he will get afforded more opportunities then Kirkland. Outside the ring they both leave something to be desired. I. Sorry but you and professor keep spewing this bullshit when this cat supposedly beat on a female. People were all over it when Floyd supposedly did it. He ain't worth the risk. He a career criminal. A damn nine time felon who can't get his shit together. I see what you and professor are saying but the fact that they helped this man before in his legal troubles trumps all that they didn't mistreat him until he did the shit. They are technically just as petty as he is. I'm glad he won the case and I think GB should've let him go. I can't wait to see how it plays out and where he ends up. But karma is a mutha and he will feel it

Yea gbp should have let him go or gave him the extra cash for the canelo fight.. but going and turning on Ann and everyone else wasn't the right move. You could tell Ann legitimately cared for the guy and wanted nothing but the best for him.

I'm glad he won based on the terms of his contract but it seems like every time he isn't boxing this dude gets arrested. And I doubt he doesn't do time for this.

And there's almost 0 chance Ann takes him back. He had to beg to get her back last time he got arrested and she don't seem like the type to take any shit
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 26 2013, 06:00 PM) *
so was golden boy disloyal for saying the winner of kirkland/angulo gets canelo...only to match canelo against someone else?

were they loyal for paying him less than what he should have been paid for that fight?

were they loyal for offering him peanuts on short notice to fight canelo and trying to force the fight when they knew he had a bad shoulder?

don't bite the hand that feeds you but if that hand is smacking the shit out of you turn the other cheek? loyalty works both ways imo.

They could've just not picked him up at all, to be honest. They extended to olive branch to felon with loose screws in his head. I'm not saying that all felons don't deserve a chance, but Kirkland has the mind frame of a 15 year old. Imagine if GBP would've just dropped him suddenly...do you think he'd be acting a fool about not making those "peanuts" that they offered him, or would he simply suck it up and move on?

Let's not act like he got out of prison and just went straight to the gym and locked himself in. Dude was out in Vegas living it up, partying, etc., something that he should've put on pause until he got back in the swing of things. Seriously though, guys like Kirkland should not be allowed to think on his own...because bad things usually follow.

I hate to make him sound like an animal, but probation is always good for guys like him, just to keep him honest and at least give him the urge to think before he does things. I doubt if he was offered peanuts, because most felons aren't even promised that much, when they're released into society.

Though it appears that GBP was doing him a bad number, he still has to face the fact that he was under contract. I hate when fighters start pissing and moaning about what they're promoters are/aren't doing, and so on...but didn't THEY sign the contract to be promoted? We can talk about him getting shafted and offered peanuts, but he DID sign the contract, so to a degree, he knew what he was up against.

I had strong idea of what I was up against, when I signed off on that loan for my house. I knew that I had to maintain employment, in order to make my payments. Now, are my payments EXACTLY what I think they are? Nope...the principal, escrow, and interest rates, breaks it all down...and in reality, I'm not really making the "full" payments that I think I'm making on a monthly basis. With that in mind, I may not like it, and i do need a roof over my head, so I know to not do stupid stuff on the job and lose my income...and in turn, I lose my house, and everything else, if I dont bounce back in time.

The same goes for fighters when they sign these contracts. I know that most of them are wet behind the ears, they come from nothing, and they want it all, but know what you signed up for. Not only does he have a problem with staying active, he has/had problems with his contract/promoters, and he's too loose upstairs to function in society. He may have won the court case, but he still needs to mental capacity to function in society.
mrchitown
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 26 2013, 10:13 PM) *
Yea gbp should have let him go or gave him the extra cash for the canelo fight.. but going and turning on Ann and everyone else wasn't the right move. You could tell Ann legitimately cared for the guy and wanted nothing but the best for him.

I'm glad he won based on the terms of his contract but it seems like every time he isn't boxing this dude gets arrested. And I doubt he doesn't do time for this.

And there's almost 0 chance Ann takes him back. He had to beg to get her back last time he got arrested and she don't seem like the type to take any shit


Wolfe js/was the best trainer for him, no one will get out of him what she was able to. I think she genuinely wanted to help him. I do t see a scenario where she agrees to work with him again. He has issues and they go way beyond just jail stints. He wants to do away with everybody, Wolfe, GB, Dunkin and the other manager. He loses now all of a sudden its a conspiracy against him. Who does hour think he is Kirkland X? He's too much of a liability the only time he seems on track is when he's training for a fight. He's a nightmare to deal with as a trainer and a promoter
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 27 2013, 08:46 AM) *
Wolfe js/was the best trainer for him, no one will get out of him what she was able to. I think she genuinely wanted to help him. I do t see a scenario where she agrees to work with him again. He has issues and they go way beyond just jail stints. He wants to do away with everybody, Wolfe, GB, Dunkin and the other manager. He loses now all of a sudden its a conspiracy against him. Who does hour think he is Kirkland X? He's too much of a liability the only time he seems on track is when he's training for a fight. He's a nightmare to deal with as a trainer and a promoter


So you admit, that Anne Wolf would in fact beat your Southside Chicago ass?
Cshel86
^^^

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D, dont get him started bro!
Dolimite
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 27 2013, 12:18 PM) *
^^^

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D, dont get him started bro!

Cshels so who you pick? Chi or Wolfe? My money all of it is on Wolfe.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 27 2013, 02:24 PM) *
Cshels so who you pick? Chi or Wolfe? My money all of it is on Wolfe.


You sick in the head, I don't care who your money's on because I'd make short work of you laugh.gif

Ann was one helluva fighter but ain't no way I'm he'll that cyborg would clip me. I wish she and Laila would've fought. I think Wolfe would've lost that fight
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 26 2013, 09:42 PM) *
Loyalty does work both ways but your logic seems off. If someone is disloyal to you the you cut them off. I'm not going to be disloyal to someone even though they are to me. You just keep it moving. That's little 4th grade shit, this person did this so I'm gonna do that. I'd never compromise my morals just because someone shows a lack of them.

What did he do to deserve more cash to fight Canelo, it's obvious they've been trying to cash out on him Since he got ko'd by that kid who couldn't break wind. But he had an excuse for that too as we all heard. He never had a problem with anything until he lost or shit didn't go his way. GB did some stupid stuff and they will continue to do so, I think they gon try to cash out on a few of their fighters soon like Khan.

But it's something to be said when someone is down to allegedly get screwed over cuz they winning but win they lose they throw hissy fits and blame others. The way he puts the losses off on Others reminds me of Chad Dawson. He needs to take some accountability for what he does, now look at him. He may have one something in this case bug let's see how that criminal case goes.


how so?

him suing golden boy? how else is he going to get out of his contract with them? it's already been proven that what they did was wrong. he's trying to get what's owed to him. how is that being disloyal? i agree...keep it moving is a good way to go, but in this situation, where there are contracts and promises were made with those contracts, he has to hold them accountable. he's doing it the professional way.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 26 2013, 09:49 PM) *
Broner is a better fighter then Kirkland therefore he will get afforded more opportunities then Kirkland. Outside the ring they both leave something to be desired. I. Sorry but you and professor keep spewing this bullshit when this cat supposedly beat on a female. People were all over it when Floyd supposedly did it. He ain't worth the risk. He a career criminal. A damn nine time felon who can't get his shit together. I see what you and professor are saying but the fact that they helped this man before in his legal troubles trumps all that they didn't mistreat him until he did the shit. They are technically just as petty as he is. I'm glad he won the case and I think GB should've let him go. I can't wait to see how it plays out and where he ends up. But karma is a mutha and he will feel it


i never judged kirkland or floyd for their charges. i think we have discussed situations like that here. the whole story never gets told.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 27 2013, 09:34 AM) *
They could've just not picked him up at all, to be honest. They extended to olive branch to felon with loose screws in his head. I'm not saying that all felons don't deserve a chance, but Kirkland has the mind frame of a 15 year old. Imagine if GBP would've just dropped him suddenly...do you think he'd be acting a fool about not making those "peanuts" that they offered him, or would he simply suck it up and move on?

Let's not act like he got out of prison and just went straight to the gym and locked himself in. Dude was out in Vegas living it up, partying, etc., something that he should've put on pause until he got back in the swing of things. Seriously though, guys like Kirkland should not be allowed to think on his own...because bad things usually follow.

I hate to make him sound like an animal, but probation is always good for guys like him, just to keep him honest and at least give him the urge to think before he does things. I doubt if he was offered peanuts, because most felons aren't even promised that much, when they're released into society.

Though it appears that GBP was doing him a bad number, he still has to face the fact that he was under contract. I hate when fighters start pissing and moaning about what they're promoters are/aren't doing, and so on...but didn't THEY sign the contract to be promoted? We can talk about him getting shafted and offered peanuts, but he DID sign the contract, so to a degree, he knew what he was up against.

I had strong idea of what I was up against, when I signed off on that loan for my house. I knew that I had to maintain employment, in order to make my payments. Now, are my payments EXACTLY what I think they are? Nope...the principal, escrow, and interest rates, breaks it all down...and in reality, I'm not really making the "full" payments that I think I'm making on a monthly basis. With that in mind, I may not like it, and i do need a roof over my head, so I know to not do stupid stuff on the job and lose my income...and in turn, I lose my house, and everything else, if I dont bounce back in time.

The same goes for fighters when they sign these contracts. I know that most of them are wet behind the ears, they come from nothing, and they want it all, but know what you signed up for. Not only does he have a problem with staying active, he has/had problems with his contract/promoters, and he's too loose upstairs to function in society. He may have won the court case, but he still needs to mental capacity to function in society.


you're talking like most fighters are educated and actually read their contracts. these contracts are not as simple as one would think. they are vague and carefully worded to allow loop holes and unless you're a lawyer or someone who makes their living dealing with contracts, it's easy to be duped. hell...even ppl who sign mortgage contracts get duped. didn't we just go through a housing crisis where a shit load of ppl across the country loss their houses? the thing with most fighters is that these guys are typically from the streets with very little education. i disagree that he should lay down when they don't keep their promises verbal or otherwise. him asking for what they promised is holding them accountable. he showed up to fight and got in that ring. each time he puts his life on the line. he should be paid properly. there are no do overs in this. if he feels he can do better else where...so be it. i agree, he seems like the type that needs a short leash. i can tell you some stories about some of the guys that i dealt with in the past that never made it to kirklands level but definitely had the potential. some of the best guys i've come across are self sabotaging. you really have to protect them from themselves. truth is...even on some of the teams i was a part of in situations like that, where u would think relationships are tight and ppl are looking out for their best interests, blah,blah,blah...there is always someone looking to get over at the expense of the fighter. it's really sad and cut throat. i can't blame kirkland for looking out for himself.
checkleft
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 27 2013, 03:47 PM) *
You sick in the head, I don't care who your money's on because I'd make short work of you laugh.gif

Ann was one helluva fighter but ain't no way I'm he'll that cyborg would clip me. I wish she and Laila would've fought. I think Wolfe would've lost that fight

There's no shame in getting your ass beat by Ann lol that's a big girl.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 27 2013, 02:55 PM) *
i never judged kirkland or floyd for their charges. i think we have discussed situations like that here. the whole story never gets told.


Neither did most of us but it doesn't change the fact that he is a career criminal. He needs to get his head screwed on right but it seems like he set in his ways. All signs don't point to a hero like ending for the guy
mrchitown
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 27 2013, 05:01 PM) *
There's no shame in getting your ass beat by Ann lol that's a big girl.


I agree but I'm not worried about getting front paged by Ann Wolfe lol

If there were ever a crossing of the world's I'd like to see Ann and Rhonda Rousey fight
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 27 2013, 07:45 PM) *
Neither did most of us but it doesn't change the fact that he is a career criminal. He needs to get his head screwed on right but it seems like he set in his ways. All signs don't point to a hero like ending for the guy


anything is possible. i pray for the dude.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 27 2013, 02:53 PM) *
how so?

him suing golden boy? how else is he going to get out of his contract with them? it's already been proven that what they did was wrong. he's trying to get what's owed to him. how is that being disloyal? i agree...keep it moving is a good way to go, but in this situation, where there are contracts and promises were made with those contracts, he has to hold them accountable. he's doing it the professional way.


He's doing it the professional way now because he ain't been getting no money since he hasn't been fighting. He wasn't keeping it professional when he blasted Ann Wolfe after he got out of jail or when he did it again when he supposedly got duped into drinking out of a black bottle. When things don't go his way he shows what he's made of. He seems like a typical street punk, stand up to him and he crumbles. He better be lucky they pulled that bs in the fight with Molina because he was getting starched. GB should just pay him and cut ties with him, what's the point of keeping him there and neither one of you really want to be there. But he needs son much work done to him mentally and physically that I don't know what becomes of him now. I love a good comeback story but the way he acts the odds ain't in his favor
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 27 2013, 06:25 PM) *
He's doing it the professional way now because he ain't been getting no money since he hasn't been fighting. He wasn't keeping it professional when he blasted Ann Wolfe after he got out of jail or when he did it again when he supposedly got duped into drinking out of a black bottle. When things don't go his way he shows what he's made of. He seems like a typical street punk, stand up to him and he crumbles. He better be lucky they pulled that bs in the fight with Molina because he was getting starched. GB should just pay him and cut ties with him, what's the point of keeping him there and neither one of you really want to be there. But he needs son much work done to him mentally and physically that I don't know what becomes of him now. I love a good comeback story but the way he acts the odds ain't in his favor

I agree. I don't know what happen between he and Ann or his girlfriend. I never condone hitting a woman, ever. But there are two sides to that coin. Someone mentioned Floyd's case: No pictures, no evidence, just heresay for the most part. Plus if he was such a danger to his kids then they would not have been with him for the Cotto fight. I have no idea what is up with James, even if he doesn't fight again I hope the brother finds peace within himself.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 27 2013, 04:09 PM) *
you're talking like most fighters are educated and actually read their contracts. these contracts are not as simple as one would think. they are vague and carefully worded to allow loop holes and unless you're a lawyer or someone who makes their living dealing with contracts, it's easy to be duped. hell...even ppl who sign mortgage contracts get duped. didn't we just go through a housing crisis where a shit load of ppl across the country loss their houses? the thing with most fighters is that these guys are typically from the streets with very little education. i disagree that he should lay down when they don't keep their promises verbal or otherwise. him asking for what they promised is holding them accountable. he showed up to fight and got in that ring. each time he puts his life on the line. he should be paid properly. there are no do overs in this. if he feels he can do better else where...so be it. i agree, he seems like the type that needs a short leash. i can tell you some stories about some of the guys that i dealt with in the past that never made it to kirklands level but definitely had the potential. some of the best guys i've come across are self sabotaging. you really have to protect them from themselves. truth is...even on some of the teams i was a part of in situations like that, where u would think relationships are tight and ppl are looking out for their best interests, blah,blah,blah...there is always someone looking to get over at the expense of the fighter. it's really sad and cut throat. i can't blame kirkland for looking out for himself.

Aren't all contracts, loans, and anything else with small print, filled with loop holes? Being from the streets shouldn't excuse one from not knowing what they're getting themselves into. It's just like that in their world (the streets), if you dont know anybody or the rules of the streets, then stay away from them, until you're in the clear.

If some unknown into Kirkland's world (the streets), he's not gonna make it easy for them. If they dont know streets rules (which change on a dime, or to somebody's satisfaction), then the streets will eat you up. Contracts, loans, etc., are no different...they're just legal (to a degree), and you're subject to whatever you sign off on, regardless of whether or not you fully understand it.

I dont understand how a guy from the streets, think that cut throat shit is only limited to the streets, and like it's not exercised in corporate America. None of these big companies or rich men, got to where they are, by being nice and fair. You think Donald Trump's ass would be rich, if he played by the rules? Speaking of rich people...I wanna see some of their freakin' tax write-offs. laugh.gif
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jun 27 2013, 06:01 PM) *
There's no shame in getting your ass beat by Ann lol that's a big girl.

Just hit that hoe wit a body shot!
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 28 2013, 09:54 AM) *
I agree. I don't know what happen between he and Ann or his girlfriend. I never condone hitting a woman, ever. But there are two sides to that coin. Someone mentioned Floyd's case: No pictures, no evidence, just heresay for the most part. Plus if he was such a danger to his kids then they would not have been with him for the Cotto fight. I have no idea what is up with James, even if he doesn't fight again I hope the brother finds peace within himself.


I think their are photos from the doctor and right before the Guerrero fight she did an interview and showed the photos to one of the yahoo writers. It sure is two sides to every story and she isn't as innocent as she tries to make it seem

He could be frustrated with the way things were going with GB. They need to do right by him, neither one of yall want to do business. Pay the man what you owe and walk away. Why stick it to him? And especially like this, it's so many match ups that could have been made already involving him. Kirkland seems like a person who'd only St peace inside the ropes
I hope they wrap this up quickly so he can fight again but I don't think we'll see him fight this year
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 27 2013, 08:25 PM) *
He's doing it the professional way now because he ain't been getting no money since he hasn't been fighting. He wasn't keeping it professional when he blasted Ann Wolfe after he got out of jail or when he did it again when he supposedly got duped into drinking out of a black bottle. When things don't go his way he shows what he's made of. He seems like a typical street punk, stand up to him and he crumbles. He better be lucky they pulled that bs in the fight with Molina because he was getting starched. GB should just pay him and cut ties with him, what's the point of keeping him there and neither one of you really want to be there. But he needs son much work done to him mentally and physically that I don't know what becomes of him now. I love a good comeback story but the way he acts the odds ain't in his favor


true.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 28 2013, 10:04 AM) *
Aren't all contracts, loans, and anything else with small print, filled with loop holes? Being from the streets shouldn't excuse one from not knowing what they're getting themselves into. It's just like that in their world (the streets), if you dont know anybody or the rules of the streets, then stay away from them, until you're in the clear.

If some unknown into Kirkland's world (the streets), he's not gonna make it easy for them. If they dont know streets rules (which change on a dime, or to somebody's satisfaction), then the streets will eat you up. Contracts, loans, etc., are no different...they're just legal (to a degree), and you're subject to whatever you sign off on, regardless of whether or not you fully understand it.

I dont understand how a guy from the streets, think that cut throat shit is only limited to the streets, and like it's not exercised in corporate America. None of these big companies or rich men, got to where they are, by being nice and fair. You think Donald Trump's ass would be rich, if he played by the rules? Speaking of rich people...I wanna see some of their freakin' tax write-offs. laugh.gif

Just hit that hoe wit a body shot!


u and me both!!! laugh.gif
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 28 2013, 02:59 PM) *
u and me both!!! laugh.gif

I bet they write off a metric fuck-ton of stuff too. There's loop holes through everything, and Im sure these rich folks are the definition of "finagle", when it comes to taxes. By the way, where in the hell is Wesley Snipes nowadays??? Lol
The Original MrFactor
Kirkland seems like the kind of guy who needs to stay busy in between fights. Too much idle time is a bad thing for this guy. He needs a hobby in between fights, maybe putting together model planes and cars will keep his ass out of trouble. Ann Wolfe was good for him. I liked her crazy, yet regimented training techniques. They seemed to bring out the best in this guy.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jul 1 2013, 08:34 PM) *
I bet they write off a metric fuck-ton of stuff too. There's loop holes through everything, and Im sure these rich folks are the definition of "finagle", when it comes to taxes. By the way, where in the hell is Wesley Snipes nowadays??? Lol


Snipes got a movie coming out. And he's supposedly going to be in the new expendables movie
Cshel86
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 2 2013, 07:33 PM) *
Snipes got a movie coming out. And he's supposedly going to be in the new expendables movie

Say whaaaaaat??? *Stewie voice*

There's about to be another Expendables movie??? I had no idea that dude was out of jail.
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