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Gambit808
If Chavez Jr. Wins impressively against whomever the hell he's fighting in September, would it still be too soon for Arum to match these 2 up against each other? Or does he (GGG) need a couple more fights to build his name on?

Personally I'd like to see a tournament at MW. Winner fights Marivilla, and would include GGG, Chavez Jr., Kid Choclate, Dimitry Pirog.
daprofessor
I said it before, I'll say it again...at 160 ggg is the man to beat. I can't see him losing to any of them.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 1 2013, 12:05 AM) *
I said it before, I'll say it again...at 160 ggg is the man to beat. I can't see him losing to any of them.


IDK about that, Maravilla may be getting up there in age but I think he still has enough left to give the rising star an L
mgrover
now I want a GGG vs Martinez fight before anything lol
checkleft
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Jun 30 2013, 08:44 PM) *
If Chavez Jr. Wins impressively against whomever the hell he's fighting in September, would it still be too soon for Arum to match these 2 up against each other? Or does he (GGG) need a couple more fights to build his name on?

Personally I'd like to see a tournament at MW. Winner fights Marivilla, and would include GGG, Chavez Jr., Kid Choclate, Dimitry Pirog.

Your asking for a lot with that tournament, Idk if that's possible with all the different promoters involved.

Please don't mention pirog ever again, your gonna make my blood pressure go up lol. There are so many good fighters at 160 and you bring up a ghost. He was already suppose to fight ggg but he vacated and chose to fight someone else then pulled out with an injury (for like the fourth time in a row).

But I believe chacha is fighting vera.

But you have mora, Murray, barker, quillen, n'dam, that "la bomba" kid with the sleepy look on his face.
Dolimite
Chavez, with his punching power could actually win this fight but I know he has discipline issues. I hope this fight does take place. GGG is a nasty puncher and Chavez Jr. has an iron chin. It would be interesting. I rather see GGG fight Peter Q. or Sergio. I think that fight has to build. Chavez Jr. needs some significant wins and let's not forget he may want to rematch Sergio for beating his ass for 12 rounds minus the last few seconds of the fight. I want to see that happen... it could be a tournament: GGG vs. Peter Q. and Sergio vs. Chavez and the winners face each other.
Cshel86
Chavez is a guy that wont be hurt as easily by Golovkin's power. It all depends on how much he was softened up from the Martinez fight. Two stalkers going head to head...this fight will be the scrap of the year.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 1 2013, 01:44 AM) *
IDK about that, Maravilla may be getting up there in age but I think he still has enough left to give the rising star an L


martinez is a one trick pony. his legs aren't what they used to be. i can't see him surviving against golovkin. i think golovkin gets very little credit for his defense. the guy is so subtle in his defense when he comes with very, very intelligent pressure. he's a nightmare for anyone in the division. can he be hit? yes... he is forcing exchanges where it's only going to lead to a ko. when he loses...he will lose by ko simply because his own aggression will eventually do him in. with all the wide punching, easy to hit guys in this division...i can't see any of them getting him anytime soon.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jul 1 2013, 09:33 AM) *
Your asking for a lot with that tournament, Idk if that's possible with all the different promoters involved.

Please don't mention pirog ever again, your gonna make my blood pressure go up lol. There are so many good fighters at 160 and you bring up a ghost. He was already suppose to fight ggg but he vacated and chose to fight someone else then pulled out with an injury (for like the fourth time in a row).

But I believe chacha is fighting vera.

But you have mora, Murray, barker, quillen, n'dam, that "la bomba" kid with the sleepy look on his face.


the only guy worth mentioning is quillen. ggg beats the others easily. la bomba is at 168 and should have a loss on his record to will rosinsky.
daprofessor
i can't believe u guys are selling golovkin so short. am i the only one that see it?
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 1 2013, 03:19 PM) *
martinez is a one trick pony. his legs aren't what they used to be. i can't see him surviving against golovkin. i think golovkin gets very little credit for his defense. the guy is so subtle in his defense when he comes with very, very intelligent pressure. he's a nightmare for anyone in the division. can he be hit? yes... he is forcing exchanges where it's only going to lead to a ko. when he loses...he will lose by ko simply because his own aggression will eventually do him in. with all the wide punching, easy to hit guys in this division...i can't see any of them getting him anytime soon.


I think his one trick ad you call it is more then what we've seen from Golovkin. I can't speak to his defense because his fights don't lasting enough for him to truly be tested but he was getting hit in spots by Rosa do when they fought. He may very well have solid defense but 2 and 3 round fights and a ko over ishida ain't gonna convince me of that

Ad you said at times he does throw wide shots, this could spell doom for him against Martinez. I'm not saying he loses but I'm not buying into the notion that he's the man to be at at 160 just yet
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 1 2013, 03:27 PM) *
i can't believe u guys are selling golovkin so short. am i the only one that see it?


Like Ward said people see him ad the boogeyman, we all know how to make the boogeyman go away. The question is who will be the one to do it. He's definitely on his way to stardorm, I like the way GGG carries himself. The way he talks is kinda funny but he's a humble dude
BrutUalBK
If SM can outwork JCCJr then I'm certain the much bigger, better conditioned GGG works him over then KO's the bum.
mrchitown
Chavez Jr says he has non problems facing GGG. But listening to him talk in the interview I think he favors a Ward fight over any other at this point

Martinez has just said that he'd fight GGG in 2014. We shall see how this as out
jtiizzle
no one beats GGG @ 160 including martinez i can't wait til GGG retires him, it's going to be devastating, mark my words martinez doesn't last 5 rounds. As for Chavez JR these two fight similar but im going with GGG on foot speed, handspeed, better head movement and more importantly more punching power GGG by bludgeoning bloody TKO..does anyone else notice this guy cause cuts within the first 2 rounds everytime he punches people
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 1 2013, 05:56 PM) *
I think his one trick ad you call it is more then what we've seen from Golovkin. I can't speak to his defense because his fights don't lasting enough for him to truly be tested but he was getting hit in spots by Rosa do when they fought. He may very well have solid defense but 2 and 3 round fights and a ko over ishida ain't gonna convince me of that

Ad you said at times he does throw wide shots, this could spell doom for him against Martinez. I'm not saying he loses but I'm not buying into the notion that he's the man to be at at 160 just yet


i said with all the wide punching easy to hit guys in the division...i was referring to canelo, chavez and guys like that. golovkin doesn't really throw wide shots. he's really good about throwing with his opponents and putting his head in positions where his shots land and theirs do not.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 1 2013, 05:58 PM) *
Like Ward said people see him ad the boogeyman, we all know how to make the boogeyman go away. The question is who will be the one to do it. He's definitely on his way to stardorm, I like the way GGG carries himself. The way he talks is kinda funny but he's a humble dude


ward speaking on the things that he feels he can exploit. it's one of those things....we see it from the outside...but it's a whole different ball game when u have them missiles whizzing by your head. laugh.gif hopefully they fight before ward moves up to light heavy. it's going to be one for the ages.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 1 2013, 07:15 PM) *
Chavez Jr says he has non problems facing GGG. But listening to him talk in the interview I think he favors a Ward fight over any other at this point

Martinez has just said that he'd fight GGG in 2014. We shall see how this as out


i kind of feel bad for martinez. he blazed a serious trail and should be a much bigger star than he is currently. unfortunately, he had the wrong ppl behind him and if and when he fights ggg...that'll be the end. it's going to suck to see him go out like that.
HyyerBlaze
Would love to see this...Jr can take a punch.Could be an amazing fight.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 1 2013, 07:11 PM) *
i kind of feel bad for martinez. he blazed a serious trail and should be a much bigger star than he is currently. unfortunately, he had the wrong ppl behind him and if and when he fights ggg...that'll be the end. it's going to suck to see him go out like that.


If he and GGG fight I'm going as long as it's in the states. I wouldn't want to miss a fight like that. I'm still not sold that he beats Martinez...martinez can do so many more different things then the opponents Golovkin has faced up to this point
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 1 2013, 07:09 PM) *
ward speaking on the things that he feels he can exploit. it's one of those things....we see it from the outside...but it's a whole different ball game when u have them missiles whizzing by your head. laugh.gif hopefully they fight before ward moves up to light heavy. it's going to be one for the ages.


I'd bet the farm that Wars bests him. Ward and his team have all the advantages except power. Hunter is a master trainer and ward is a master technician. I'm not favoring a guy who hasn't been tested yet over someone whose proven and battle tested.

It will be a good fight but GGG I feel doesn't have enough tools in his tool belt to get past Ward. Anybody with eyes can tell you his defense hasn't been tested and like I said Rosa do gave him some trouble in spots. I wish his eye would've held up so we could've seen more of that fight. A Lot of dudes got power, what's he do when he has a guy in there whose taking his best weapons away, whose not going to go away and he can't put them down. These are things he will be tested with against Ward and I don't think he makes the grade
Gambit808
I really believe at this point, Sergio is not gonna come back as good as we know him by. Hard for a guy his age to shake off the kind of injuries/wars he's already been through and not show wear n tear. I think he's ripe for the picking against a guy like GGG.
The Original MrFactor
Quillen vs GGG is more likely in my opinion. I think that Chavez' people wont let him in with GGG, although I'd love to see it. Chavez is still going to be a protected guy and that's a shame. They will probably set up Chavez vs Trout or someone else from 154 before they let GGG get at him.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 1 2013, 06:15 PM) *
Chavez Jr says he has non problems facing GGG. But listening to him talk in the interview I think he favors a Ward fight over any other at this point

Martinez has just said that he'd fight GGG in 2014. We shall see how this as out



Chavez may be talking that noise but Arum ain't even trying to sacrifice another one of his Cashcows at this time, he already stated that a GGG fight wouldn't come off until late 2014 and I believe that's if it happens at all. He already lost DLH, Floyd and Pac is going down the tubes (especially if Rios knocks him out the box) so the thought of losing yet another moneymaker isn't even on his list, I suspect that they'll match Jr very lightly and sell it as though he needs to remove all the rust before he takes on someone more prominent like GGG or Ward.
mrchitown
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Jul 1 2013, 09:38 PM) *
Chavez may be talking that noise but Arum ain't even trying to sacrifice another one of his Cashcows at this time, he already stated that a GGG fight wouldn't come off until late 2014 and I believe that's if it happens at all. He already lost DLH, Floyd and Pac is going down the tubes (especially if Rios knocks him out the box) so the thought of losing yet another moneymaker isn't even on his list, I suspect that they'll match Jr very lightly and sell it as though he needs to remove all the rust before he takes on someone more prominent like GGG or Ward.


I agree with your assessment another L by one of his big stars and what does he have to work with? He gon be on suicide watch if Rios beats Manny lol
Dolimite
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Jul 1 2013, 06:38 PM) *
Chavez may be talking that noise but Arum ain't even trying to sacrifice another one of his Cashcows at this time, he already stated that a GGG fight wouldn't come off until late 2014 and I believe that's if it happens at all. He already lost DLH, Floyd and Pac is going down the tubes (especially if Rios knocks him out the box) so the thought of losing yet another moneymaker isn't even on his list, I suspect that they'll match Jr very lightly and sell it as though he needs to remove all the rust before he takes on someone more prominent like GGG or Ward.

I have yet to see Rios box anyone. You are correct, if Rios sends Pac into early retirement Arum's sole cashcow is a pot head who hates to train. Bob may have to squash that beef with Golden Boy sooner rather than later. Or he can try to payout for Ward's contract.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jul 1 2013, 10:34 PM) *
I have yet to see Rios box anyone. You are correct, if Rios sends Pac into early retirement Arum's sole cashcow is a pot head who hates to train. Bob may have to squash that beef with Golden Boy sooner rather than later. Or he can try to payout for Ward's contract.


Yeah you're right! Ward is looking more and more like he's ready to let BA run his show but I think that is a huge mistake, Andre talks an intelligent game though however and seems well versed on business law but when you're dealing with a slick fish like Arum who is a Harvard graduate you're dealing with the slimiest fish in the sea.

I'm hoping Ward doesn't go down that path because the history of how BA does with the lack of promoting his AA fighters is already out there for all to see, TB is an exciting fighter IMHO but look how Bob still shelves him when promoting his fights, he's second to Pac when he should be first especially since his win over Manny and his exciting fight with Provo, not to mention Pac's last KO loss.

I really hope BA grows an assist on the brain and makes the cardinal mistake of his career and put Jr in with GGG.
checkleft
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Jul 1 2013, 09:47 PM) *
I really believe at this point, Sergio is not gonna come back as good as we know him by. Hard for a guy his age to shake off the kind of injuries/wars he's already been through and not show wear n tear. I think he's ripe for the picking against a guy like GGG.

That very well maybe the case but if sergio has proven anything over the years its that he isn't your average fighter. Hopefully he gets a few solid fights before calling it quits in the next year or two.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 1 2013, 08:57 PM) *
If he and GGG fight I'm going as long as it's in the states. I wouldn't want to miss a fight like that. I'm still not sold that he beats Martinez...martinez can do so many more different things then the opponents Golovkin has faced up to this point


if jr had turned it up a little earlier on martinez we wouldn't even be talking about him now. laugh.gif
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 1 2013, 09:02 PM) *
I'd bet the farm that Wars bests him. Ward and his team have all the advantages except power. Hunter is a master trainer and ward is a master technician. I'm not favoring a guy who hasn't been tested yet over someone whose proven and battle tested.

It will be a good fight but GGG I feel doesn't have enough tools in his tool belt to get past Ward. Anybody with eyes can tell you his defense hasn't been tested and like I said Rosa do gave him some trouble in spots. I wish his eye would've held up so we could've seen more of that fight. A Lot of dudes got power, what's he do when he has a guy in there whose taking his best weapons away, whose not going to go away and he can't put them down. These are things he will be tested with against Ward and I don't think he makes the grade


i think u need to pay closer attention to what he does defensively. this guy doesn't get the credit he deserves because he is so subtle with his defense. it reminds me of chavez...who is another guy that had underrated defense.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 2 2013, 08:41 PM) *
i think u need to pay closer attention to what he does defensively. this guy doesn't get the credit he deserves because he is so subtle with his defense. it reminds me of chavez...who is another guy that had underrated defense.


And how's that under rated defense work for him last time out...don't worry I'll wait laugh.gif

GGG is a good fighter and I guess your seeing things I don't but even if he does have this subtle defense you speak of, that still doesnt make him sound. I see a lot of holes in him that good fighters can exploit. His power can be used against him and I do not believe he finishes his career undefeated. I think he'll take a few L's in fact

Like I said, I don't jump in the KO bandwagon. He has more to prove
Hotsauce
This would be a ppv fight and a good fight
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 2 2013, 09:56 PM) *
And how's that under rated defense work for him last time out...don't worry I'll wait laugh.gif

GGG is a good fighter and I guess your seeing things I don't but even if he does have this subtle defense you speak of, that still doesnt make him sound. I see a lot of holes in him that good fighters can exploit. His power can be used against him and I do not believe he finishes his career undefeated. I think he'll take a few L's in fact

Like I said, I don't jump in the KO bandwagon. He has more to prove


i meant chavez sr not jr. laugh.gif

i'm not saying sound defense...just underrated. no doubt, i agree. he'll lose....but i'm gonna enjoy his run.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 3 2013, 04:56 PM) *
i meant chavez sr not jr. laugh.gif

i'm not saying sound defense...just underrated. no doubt, i agree. he'll lose....but i'm gonna enjoy his run.


My bad, I thought you wad talking about the guy who likes to train after bbq's lol

GGG will make his mark on this sport, I see good things in his future. I want to see how he reacts to adversity, I think he's a special talent
mrchitown
Martinez says he will toy with Gennady for 12rds, IDK bout all that, he may win but it wouldn't be easy for him
Gambit808
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 4 2013, 03:23 AM) *
Martinez says he will toy with Gennady for 12rds, IDK bout all that, he may win but it wouldn't be easy for him

Agreed. That's the confidence in himself, but I'm sure the result of the fight would dial that tone down to respect, win or lose.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Jul 4 2013, 02:30 AM) *
Agreed. That's the confidence in himself, but I'm sure the result of the fight would dial that tone down to respect, win or lose.


He better tone it down before he step in the ring with that guy. For martinez to win he's going to have to dig deep and may actually have to punch with Gennady, that could be very painful for him if he's full of false security going into the fight
Tray1201
I'm a Chavez jr fan (when he take fights serious) This a be a good fight for both but triple G would get the victory
checkleft
Well ggg wants to fight Murray before the year ends, so I wouldn't look past him cause this should be a good scrap.
checkleft
http://www.boxingscene.com/chavez-jr-i-bea...-him-out--67350

Shots fired. Chavez said he would ko ggg
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 4 2013, 03:23 AM) *
Martinez says he will toy with Gennady for 12rds, IDK bout all that, he may win but it wouldn't be easy for him


that's pride speaking. martinez won't see the final bell.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jul 5 2013, 02:16 PM) *
http://www.boxingscene.com/chavez-jr-i-bea...-him-out--67350

Shots fired. Chavez said he would ko ggg


interesting. that's big talk. i'm sure they'll keep him from ggg and he knows it.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Tray1201 @ Jul 4 2013, 01:47 PM) *
I'm a Chavez jr fan (when he take fights serious) This a be a good fight for both but triple G would get the victory

Cant remember the last time he even attempted to do such a thing. laugh.gif

I'm a Chavez fan as well...took me 2 long years of hate, but I found my way around it. Lol

Have you seen those recent pics of him? Dude's face need to be in the urban dictionary, next to "lard ass".
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jul 8 2013, 03:58 PM) *
Cant remember the last time he even attempted to do such a thing. laugh.gif

I'm a Chavez fan as well...took me 2 long years of hate, but I found my way around it. Lol

Have you seen those recent pics of him? Dude's face need to be in the urban dictionary, next to "lard ass".


i thought he took martinez seriously. he trained hard as hell for that fight. the hbo cameras painted a different story...but even freddie said jr trained hard. u don't go 12 hard rounds with martinez and finish that strong without training hard.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 8 2013, 03:13 PM) *
i thought he took martinez seriously. he trained hard as hell for that fight. the hbo cameras painted a different story...but even freddie said jr trained hard. u don't go 12 hard rounds with martinez and finish that strong without training hard.

I don't know about him training hard because he looked like shit for pretty much 11 and a half rounds. But it says a lot that after having a facial fracture and basically getting shut out the whole fight he came out balls blazing in the 12th. I'm not worried about his confidence but his training is a different story. He's not even training with roach for his next fight
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jul 8 2013, 05:51 PM) *
I don't know about him training hard because he looked like shit for pretty much 11 and a half rounds. But it says a lot that after having a facial fracture and basically getting shut out the whole fight he came out balls blazing in the 12th. I'm not worried about his confidence but his training is a different story. He's not even training with roach for his next fight


roach comes with a steep price tag i'm sure. his next fight should be an easy one. they can get it done without roach.
Gambit808
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jul 8 2013, 03:58 PM) *
Cant remember the last time he even attempted to do such a thing. laugh.gif

I'm a Chavez fan as well...took me 2 long years of hate, but I found my way around it. Lol

Have you seen those recent pics of him? Dude's face need to be in the urban dictionary, next to "lard ass".

Doesen't seem like Chavez Jr. wants to be considered great, through one of the traditional ways a past/present great fighter would achieve that status. I mean it's one thing to say a guy is "hungry", it's another thing to seem like a guy is "never full"... In his case. this fluctuation up and down in weight will catch up to him sooner or later.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 8 2013, 07:03 PM) *
roach comes with a steep price tag i'm sure. his next fight should be an easy one. they can get it done without roach.

He is fighting vera I think. He was calling out Murray for a while to
checkleft
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Jul 8 2013, 07:27 PM) *
Doesen't seem like Chavez Jr. wants to be considered great, through one of the traditional ways a past/present great fighter would achieve that status. I mean it's one thing to say a guy is "hungry", it's another thing to seem like a guy is "never full"... In his case. this fluctuation up and down in weight will catch up to him sooner or later.

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Maybe if this guy got with heredia bulked up and moved to 168 he could make some noise. I mean he did beat rubio and he pummeled Andy lee, those guys are not pushovers (even though he did have big weight advantages and the ring in the lee fight was fucking tiny).
Gambit808
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jul 9 2013, 09:21 AM) *
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Maybe if this guy got with heredia bulked up and moved to 168 he could make some noise. I mean he did beat rubio and he pummeled Andy lee, those guys are not pushovers (even though he did have big weight advantages and the ring in the lee fight was fucking tiny).

There was also controversy in that fight against Lee, about it being in Texas, and Chavez Jr. Being reluctant in submitting a drug test after the fight. I'm a Chavez Jr. Fan, but it seems like the dude can't stay out of the bad lime light. I figured his first loss would put him in a more focused light, but since then how many stories can we bring up about this dude fuckin up inside and outside the ring? Theirs whispers about the reason the fight against Vera or whoever the hell he's facing, got pushed back from August to September, is because of the way he looked in that pic... SMDH. He need a weight watchers diet that's what the hell he need lol
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