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Jack 1000
I'm Not talking about Lampy's pom-poms now,

I am talking about the whole production, which is now shit. It began when HBO started using post-fight pieces that AFAIK were not in the original PPV closed-circuit production. Fake-ass camera angles, post-fight material. Nothing wrong with post-fight material, but it now looks like it was put together by a college film crew. The turn-off is now showing these little bios about the fighter in-between rounds. Save that shit for your pre-fight show. In fact, when I DVR fights, I go right to the MC announcement of the fighters. I don't need all that shit with the fighter's in-laws, what he ate for dinner, here's the HBO guy running, here he is sleeping. And so forth .

Some people like that stuff. But it's more of a distraction that a positive draw. The graphics on the screen, Steve Weisfield there? FOR WHAT!? Now you got Kellerman trying so hard to be like Merchant in post-fight interviews. But it's not working, at least not for me. I wish Lou Dibella was still there as boxing Department Matchmaker!

As many know, Lou pioneered the HBO Boxing after Dark Series with some of the best fights in recent memory. He worked hard to prevent mismatches, even though contractual obligations with certain fighters forced some of their shit to be shown. (Jones-Frazier....UGGHHH) The thing is, who is really in charge of HBO's boxing Department at this time? It's said Ken Hirshman's there. But I question how effectively he is connecting the sport to the fans. Rumblings of Dan Raphael being involved as some kind of consultant there strengthen the above points. HBO has to stop looking for the next great fighter and offer more competitive fights. Yes, I loved watching "Triple G's" KO of Macklin! It still does not take away the fact that now more than ever, HBO will cling to anything to find a star.

The cling to anything to find a star, started when Lou Dibella left the network. Ross Greenberg had tons of network experience, but never really was a fight fan guy like Dibella. The concept at HBO that continues to this day, is you have to be a likeable pretty boy. (This began with Jones and Delahoya) or a fighter who engages in wars all the time. (Gatti, Pacquiao.) Mayweather and other fine boxers saw this trend and left HBO for Showtime where they felt HBO was not giving them their proper respect. Forget the longevity of say the Klitchko's. They aren't exciting enough. (according to HBO.)

Worse, so many of the people who care are now retired or dead. It's a parallel with HBO now showing better movies than fights, and Showtime, who seems to be doing so much better than HBO, showing better fights and totally POS movies. HBO now has to hold onto Bob Arum's Top Rank and Dibella Entertainment as there main boxing show feeders. What does HBO need to do to get back to the position that it once held as a leading boxing network?

Jack
Dolimite
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jul 2 2013, 10:37 AM) *
I'm Not talking about Lampy's pom-poms now,

I am talking about the whole production, which is now shit. It began when HBO started using post-fight pieces that AFAIK were not in the original PPV closed-circuit production. Fake-ass camera angles, post-fight material. Nothing wrong with post-fight material, but it now looks like it was put together by a college film crew. The turn-off is now showing these little bios about the fighter in-between rounds. Save that shit for your pre-fight show. In fact, when I DVR fights, I go right to the MC announcement of the fighters. I don't need all that shit with the fighter's in-laws, what he ate for dinner, here's the HBO guy running, here he is sleeping. And so forth .

Some people like that stuff. But it's more of a distraction that a positive draw. The graphics on the screen, Steve Weisfield there? FOR WHAT!? Now you got Kellerman trying so hard to be like Merchant in post-fight interviews. But it's not working, at least not for me. I wish Lou Dibella was still there as boxing Department Matchmaker!

As many know, Lou pioneered the HBO Boxing after Dark Series with some of the best fights in recent memory. He worked hard to prevent mismatches, even though contractual obligations with certain fighters forced some of their shit to be shown. (Jones-Frazier....UGGHHH) The thing is, who is really in charge of HBO's boxing Department at this time? It's said Ken Hirshman's there. But I question how effectively he is connecting the sport to the fans. Rumblings of Dan Raphael being involved as some kind of consultant there strengthen the above points. HBO has to stop looking for the next great fighter and offer more competitive fights. Yes, I loved watching "Triple G's" KO of Macklin! It still does not take away the fact that now more than ever, HBO will cling to anything to find a star.

The cling to anything to find a star, started when Lou Dibella left the network. Ross Greenberg had tons of network experience, but never really was a fight fan guy like Dibella. The concept at HBO that continues to this day, is you have to be a likeable pretty boy. (This began with Jones and Delahoya) or a fighter who engages in wars all the time. (Gatti, Pacquiao.) Mayweather and other fine boxers saw this trend and left HBO for Showtime where they felt HBO was not giving them their proper respect. Forget the longevity of say the Klitchko's. They aren't exciting enough. (according to HBO.)

Worse, so many of the people who care are now retired or dead. It's a parallel with HBO now showing better movies than fights, and Showtime, who seems to be doing so much better than HBO, showing better fights and totally POS movies. HBO now has to hold onto Bob Arum's Top Rank and Dibella Entertainment as there main boxing show feeders. What does HBO need to do to get back to the position that it once held as a leading boxing network?

Jack


There is the key, the pioneers are gone. HBO felt that because they were the "Big Brother" of the cable networks then they could do anything. However, Showtime is doing a wonderful job with their sports production. HBO refuses to get anyone new with fresh ideas, They are putting lipstick on a pig and they feel somehow the viewers will not notice. They are doing the razzle dazzle approach and frankly it sucks. I hate their entire commentating crew. Max Kellerman I want to punch in the face. Jim L. has always been a dick to me and to be honest Ward isn't helping. HBO is lost.
daprofessor
great post!!! thanks for bringing this up. you beat me to it.

for starters....i want to say that hbo has had major issues for years and it seems it all caught up to them. i think larry merchant retiring was a good thing...the guy was way to negative for such a great sport. manny stewards passing was a serious blow because he was really the last good thing about the commentating crew. max seems to be trying real hard to recreate larry...but to his credit, i saw some of the old max on jim lampleys' fight game show. max just needs to go back to being himself and stop with the pompous shit that larry and jim made their schtick and turned me off to the network to begin with.

i'm sorry...but if dan rafael is the guy they are consulting on the sport than they deserve all the shit they have coming. there is nothing that guy can tell me about boxing. if you started watching boxing around the time the gatti/ward trilogy happened... you don't know enough to be in that position. they need to get rid of jim lampley. he doesn't know shit about boxing. the main thing they do is try to manufacture outcomes. they need to stop with that. limiting themselves to top rank and dibella is a mistake. the combination of lampley/kellerman/ward feels very forced. i enjoy their telecasts with bob poppa.
mrchitown
My biggest issue is with Kellerman because I was really a fan of the guy before he joined HBO, now he's been non this kick for quite a while where he ls trying to be Merchant-esque everytime he speaks. When he first got there he was himself and I thought he added substance to the team but soon as those rumblings that HBO wanted merchant out and him in he's totally turned into a carbon copy of the guy

Where did you hear that the poster child for diabetes was a consultant for them? That's is the literal definition of scrapping the bottom of the barrel

Greenburg didn't love the sport the way Dibella did but he sure as he'll knew how to create compelling content and that's what got HBO through. It's no secret that some fighters really liked dealing with him and took their complaints to him. If he wasn't good then Hershman would've had Showtime in a better position like how Espinosa has them now. On Eni heard Greenburg was doing some work with Showtime I knew it was a wrap for HBO. Hershman is Greenburg's toy, he owns the guy and ain't nothing he can do about it. HBO really suffers a big blow to their credibility when Steward passed, he was insightful and brought a needed balance. Now that he's gone its just open cheerleader season over there. Want to turn it around? Get rid of Hershman
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 2 2013, 07:46 PM) *
My biggest issue is with Kellerman because I was really a fan of the guy before he joined HBO, now he's been non this kick for quite a while where he ls trying to be Merchant-esque everytime he speaks. When he first got there he was himself and I thought he added substance to the team but soon as those rumblings that HBO wanted merchant out and him in he's totally turned into a carbon copy of the guy

Where did you hear that the poster child for diabetes was a consultant for them? That's is the literal definition of scrapping the bottom of the barrel

Greenburg didn't love the sport the way Dibella did but he sure as he'll knew how to create compelling content and that's what got HBO through. It's no secret that some fighters really liked dealing with him and took their complaints to him. If he wasn't good then Hershman would've had Showtime in a better position like how Espinosa has them now. On Eni heard Greenburg was doing some work with Showtime I knew it was a wrap for HBO. Hershman is Greenburg's toy, he owns the guy and ain't nothing he can do about it. HBO really suffers a big blow to their credibility when Steward passed, he was insightful and brought a needed balance. Now that he's gone its just open cheerleader season over there. Want to turn it around? Get rid of Hershman


i won't shit on hershman because he had showtime doing great things when he was there. the problem is he has inherited a sinking ship at hbo. guys like lampley keep running the ship into ice bergs with his loaded commentary and spin. i wouldn't doubt he's had something to do with max trying to be larry. his show the fight game is just pure bullshit. "this is what it is...and here is a guy i'm going to call an expert to agree with what i'm saying to validate my bullshit..." the guest speaks...echos his bullshit then jim chimes back in..."thank u for signing off on my bullshit..." blah,blah,blah...or if they disagree he has a really sly way of saying they're full of shit when in truth...he's the guy that's full of shit. their act has gotten old.

if hbo wants to turn the ship around they can start by letting hershman do his thing and get all the guys who ran that place into the ground out. ppl blame greenburg and the other dude that just left. i blame lamps and merchant...and who ever the guy is in the ear piece that feeds them the bullshit to spew.

hire mike tyson to do commentary. he's rough around the edges but he'll be honest with his commentary. they don't need anyone to wax poetic....trying to be hemmingway. just give us boxing and ppl who can give us an accurate of account of what's happening...not what they want us to see.

stop dealing with promoters who shit on beautiful boxers like rigondeaux. arum is good for shitting on his own fighters and by giving him all the dates at hbo...they are in essence condoning that shit.

stop punishing the fighters who spoil their agenda. it was clear to me they were very butt hurt when bradley beat pac....and when jmm ktfo'd him. let the show keep going. i get that lampley spent the majority of his commentary on tossing pacquiao's salad verbally for years. we get it jim....but we can't undo what was done. don't hate on the guys who did it. it's the nature of the sport. these guys can't stay at top for ever....no matter how much u suck their asses on tv. fucking felcher.

stop trying to convince us certain fights are great. i got a head ache from watching rios and alvarado pummel each other.

i still feel they should offer the viewers an option of watching with just the ring and crowd noise. we don't need jim or max's opinions on everything. just let us enjoy the fights. i enjoyed all 3 fights last saturday.
mrchitown
I like Hershman as well but when it comes down to not hes just not a good fit over there. He does better with smaller budgets like he had at showtime, he'd probably do well with an ESPN fnf type of gig. Plus what battles me is that Greenburg isn't as knowledgeable in boxing as Hershman is but he's better then him! Yeah he did good things at showtime but they were respectable, showtime is actually competing with HBO now and that's something he couldn't do. Just like when they built fighters up over there only to watch them jump ship to HBO.

Why would I heed the opinion of someone whose only fights are against impressionable young white women laugh.gif i don't give 2 shits about the fight game because most people he has on there don't know nothing bout the fight game. Don't sit there and tell me garbage boy Chris Mannix is bout that life lol, he not!

Kellerman can be so much better and he had the potential to be this generations great commentators, instead he plays into the rhetoric that the network wants him to. I never saw hin as a sage guy but that's what he's become now. And your right, they've got to cut out th agenda crap. For them the outcome is predetermined and they blow hard non that fighter the whole night but when they lose like how Manny did, they blast the winner. Marquez should not even fight on that network anymore. They've shown him so much disrespect

When he was controversially losing to Manny he was a warrior now he's under a cloud of suspicion. It's pathetic.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 2 2013, 09:52 PM) *
I like Hershman as well but when it comes down to not hes just not a good fit over there. He does better with smaller budgets like he had at showtime, he'd probably do well with an ESPN fnf type of gig. Plus what battles me is that Greenburg isn't as knowledgeable in boxing as Hershman is but he's better then him! Yeah he did good things at showtime but they were respectable, showtime is actually competing with HBO now and that's something he couldn't do. Just like when they built fighters up over there only to watch them jump ship to HBO.

Why would I heed the opinion of someone whose only fights are against impressionable young white women laugh.gif i don't give 2 shits about the fight game because most people he has on there don't know nothing bout the fight game. Don't sit there and tell me garbage boy Chris Mannix is bout that life lol, he not!

Kellerman can be so much better and he had the potential to be this generations great commentators, instead he plays into the rhetoric that the network wants him to. I never saw hin as a sage guy but that's what he's become now. And your right, they've got to cut out th agenda crap. For them the outcome is predetermined and they blow hard non that fighter the whole night but when they lose like how Manny did, they blast the winner. Marquez should not even fight on that network anymore. They've shown him so much disrespect

When he was controversially losing to Manny he was a warrior now he's under a cloud of suspicion. It's pathetic.


laugh.gif who's chris mannix? huh.gif

kellerman is cut from a different cloth. this dude came up under bill cayton and jim jacobs. they were the guys who co-managed mike tyson. they were good friends with cus d'amato and had the largest fight film collection in the world! kellerman had access to all of that when he had his cable access show as a kid. he needs to break away from the bullshit and get back on his game. seems to me he's just going thru the motions to collect a check. he's better than that.

and you're right about marquez. the same can be said for tim bradley. these guys have always had a bad habit of shitting on fighters and to me it just shows a lack of respect for the sport.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 3 2013, 02:36 PM) *
laugh.gif who's chris mannix? huh.gif

kellerman is cut from a different cloth. this dude came up under bill cayton and jim jacobs. they were the guys who co-managed mike tyson. they were good friends with cus d'amato and had the largest fight film collection in the world! kellerman had access to all of that when he had his cable access show as a kid. he needs to break away from the bullshit and get back on his game. seems to me he's just going thru the motions to collect a check. he's better than that.

and you're right about marquez. the same can be said for tim bradley. these guys have always had a bad habit of shitting on fighters and to me it just shows a lack of respect for the sport.

Seems whenever a boxer and input strong emphasis on then word boxer beats HBO's appointed golden child then they have to disrespect that person.

What they need is more unbiased commentary and they need to act in transparency as a whole. Mannix? Gimme a break lol
Franchize
If anyone is familiar with NYC radio, HBO is Hot 97 and Showtime is Power 105. HBO used to be the pioneer and pinnacle of boxing. When Showtime came along, they had a little buzz but nobody took them serious. It wasn't until HBO started throwing shots at them unnecessarily that they started getting true notoriety. Same happened with the radio stations in NYC. Then, all the stars start flocking towards the new "it" network. HBO gave Showtime some light and instead of counteracting that with quality, long lasting fighters you can root for, they have bar room brawls where both fighters are a shell of themselves after. Then you get Jim Lampley with his butthurt monologue otherwise known as The Fight Game. HBO reeks of jealous ex girlfriend right now. They are the Josie Harris' of boxing lmao
HyyerBlaze
Still thought the 24/7 series is better than Showtimes version
mrchitown
QUOTE (Franchize @ Jul 4 2013, 12:59 AM) *
If anyone is familiar with NYC radio, HBO is Hot 97 and Showtime is Power 105. HBO used to be the pioneer and pinnacle of boxing. When Showtime came along, they had a little buzz but nobody took them serious. It wasn't until HBO started throwing shots at them unnecessarily that they started getting true notoriety. Same happened with the radio stations in NYC. Then, all the stars start flocking towards the new "it" network. HBO gave Showtime some light and instead of counteracting that with quality, long lasting fighters you can root for, they have bar room brawls where both fighters are a shell of themselves after. Then you get Jim Lampley with his butthurt monologue otherwise known as The Fight Game. HBO reeks of jealous ex girlfriend right now. They are the Josie Harris' of boxing lmao


Yeah I'm familiar with NY radio, I thought it couldn't get worse then Chi but NY stuff is way worse, good analogy and spot on with everything you said
Jack 1000
QUOTE (Franchize @ Jul 4 2013, 12:59 AM) *
If anyone is familiar with NYC radio, HBO is Hot 97 and Showtime is Power 105. HBO used to be the pioneer and pinnacle of boxing. When Showtime came along, they had a little buzz but nobody took them serious. It wasn't until HBO started throwing shots at them unnecessarily that they started getting true notoriety. Same happened with the radio stations in NYC. Then, all the stars start flocking towards the new "it" network. HBO gave Showtime some light and instead of counteracting that with quality, long lasting fighters you can root for, they have bar room brawls where both fighters are a shell of themselves after. Then you get Jim Lampley with his butthurt monologue otherwise known as The Fight Game. HBO reeks of jealous ex girlfriend right now. They are the Josie Harris' of boxing lmao


Interesting metaphor comparisons!

Jack
Dolimite
QUOTE (Franchize @ Jul 3 2013, 10:59 PM) *
If anyone is familiar with NYC radio, HBO is Hot 97 and Showtime is Power 105. HBO used to be the pioneer and pinnacle of boxing. When Showtime came along, they had a little buzz but nobody took them serious. It wasn't until HBO started throwing shots at them unnecessarily that they started getting true notoriety. Same happened with the radio stations in NYC. Then, all the stars start flocking towards the new "it" network. HBO gave Showtime some light and instead of counteracting that with quality, long lasting fighters you can root for, they have bar room brawls where both fighters are a shell of themselves after. Then you get Jim Lampley with his butthurt monologue otherwise known as The Fight Game. HBO reeks of jealous ex girlfriend right now. They are the Josie Harris' of boxing lmao


The only thing I know about Hot 97 is that Wendy Williams on there. And I think Biggie and Pac did some interviews on Hot 97. I am not from NY so I wouldn't know. I do understand what you are trying to say. Its like in Cali, when John London and the House Party 92.3 the Beat use to go head with Power 106's Baker Boys. That was back in the 90s but I get it. HBO is losing itself. They are trying to put on all these matches that people wanted to see 5 years ago. Showtime has something going on and to be honest. I see Showtime as being so much positive than HBO. Its like HBO people are critics and not fans of boxing while Showtime are exciting and fans of the sport.

QUOTE (HyyerBlaze @ Jul 4 2013, 12:02 AM) *
Still thought the 24/7 series is better than Showtimes version


Common was a nice touch to Fight Camp. They did a great job.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Jul 4 2013, 01:59 AM) *
If anyone is familiar with NYC radio, HBO is Hot 97 and Showtime is Power 105. HBO used to be the pioneer and pinnacle of boxing. When Showtime came along, they had a little buzz but nobody took them serious. It wasn't until HBO started throwing shots at them unnecessarily that they started getting true notoriety. Same happened with the radio stations in NYC. Then, all the stars start flocking towards the new "it" network. HBO gave Showtime some light and instead of counteracting that with quality, long lasting fighters you can root for, they have bar room brawls where both fighters are a shell of themselves after. Then you get Jim Lampley with his butthurt monologue otherwise known as The Fight Game. HBO reeks of jealous ex girlfriend right now. They are the Josie Harris' of boxing lmao


laugh.gif classic!!!
daprofessor
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jul 4 2013, 06:00 PM) *
The only thing I know about Hot 97 is that Wendy Williams on there. And I think Biggie and Pac did some interviews on Hot 97. I am not from NY so I wouldn't know. I do understand what you are trying to say. Its like in Cali, when John London and the House Party 92.3 the Beat use to go head with Power 106's Baker Boys. That was back in the 90s but I get it. HBO is losing itself. They are trying to put on all these matches that people wanted to see 5 years ago. Showtime has something going on and to be honest. I see Showtime as being so much positive than HBO. Its like HBO people are critics and not fans of boxing while Showtime are exciting and fans of the sport.



Common was a nice touch to Fight Camp. They did a great job.


common ruins it for me. clearly sounds like he's reading from a script. they need someone better.
mrchitown
Just saw on Fat Dan and other boxing journalists' twitter feeds that some employees in the HBO boxing division are leaving. One has left for a job with NBC sports reportedly
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 8 2013, 02:13 PM) *
common ruins it for me. clearly sounds like he's reading from a script. they need someone better.


Com is GOAT
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 9 2013, 09:05 PM) *
Com is GOAT

Professor is a hater just ignore him....

Who else would be a good voice over? James Earl Jones lol!
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 01:05 AM) *
Com is GOAT


stop. just stop. laugh.gif
daprofessor
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jul 10 2013, 03:20 PM) *
Professor is a hater just ignore him....

Who else would be a good voice over? James Earl Jones lol!


i can give u a long list of ppl who could do a better job. james earl jones is a legend!!!
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 10 2013, 02:30 PM) *
stop. just stop. laugh.gif


I'm not lying, I'm not saying he's GOAT at the voice over but Com is GOAT, I know that's probably hard for someone of your advanced age to accept but it's the truth laugh.gif
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 03:41 PM) *
I'm not lying, I'm not saying he's GOAT at the voice over but Com is GOAT, I know that's probably hard for someone of your advanced age to accept but it's the truth laugh.gif


greatest what of all time? rapper turned actor? he definitely ain't the greatest emcee of all time. he might be the best out of chicago...but that's not saying much.
checkleft
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 02:41 PM) *
I'm not lying, I'm not saying he's GOAT at the voice over but Com is GOAT, I know that's probably hard for someone of your advanced age to accept but it's the truth laugh.gif

wtf.gif Hell naw!!! I get that you love your chi town cats but come on Haha
pacco_diablo
Actually it's quite simple. HBO refuses to show the ring card girls and Showtime gives us the ass shots that we're looking for.
mrchitown
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jul 10 2013, 03:20 PM) *
wtf.gif Hell naw!!! I get that you love your chi town cats but come on Haha


I'm not based because he's from Chicago lol. You confusing me with professor, he's the one who thinks everything is cali is awesome. He was born in Chicago but he ain't Chicago lol

When I say Com is GOAT I'm saying emceeing, he's one of the tops to touch the mic, professor is a cali dry humper. don't feed into his bs laugh.gif

I liked his voice over work on the all access but i'm not saying he's better then the dude who did 24/7. His voice was perfect for that. I think Sam L Jackson would be good in this capacity as well
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 10 2013, 02:45 PM) *
greatest what of all time? rapper turned actor? he definitely ain't the greatest emcee of all time. he might be the best out of chicago...but that's not saying much.


If you don't think Com is a top dog in hip hop history then your effin stupid. And just because Chicago didn't have a lot of mainstream acts we still have had some great artists to come out of here

You cali, bow you ain't from here so keep your nose outta Chi business. And before you say I was born there blah blah blah, it ain't were you from its where you at, stay on your side of the states and I'll do the same laugh.gif
mrchitown
QUOTE (pacco_diablo @ Jul 10 2013, 03:46 PM) *
Actually it's quite simple. HBO refuses to show the ring card girls and Showtime gives us the ass shots that we're looking for.


Never thought of it like that but a little TNA never hurt
checkleft
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 04:03 PM) *
I'm not based because he's from Chicago lol. You confusing me with professor, he's the one who thinks everything is cali is awesome. He was born in Chicago but he ain't Chicago lol

When I say Com is GOAT I'm saying emceeing, he's one of the tops to touch the mic, professor is a cali dry humper. don't feed into his bs laugh.gif

I liked his voice over work on the all access but i'm not saying he's better then the dude who did 24/7. His voice was perfect for that. I think Sam L Jackson would be good in this capacity as well

He's a good mcee. But if anyone deserves GOAT status from the chi it lupe

His voice overs were really good tho. But I like hbos as well
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 05:03 PM) *
I'm not based because he's from Chicago lol. You confusing me with professor, he's the one who thinks everything is cali is awesome. He was born in Chicago but he ain't Chicago lol

When I say Com is GOAT I'm saying emceeing, he's one of the tops to touch the mic, professor is a cali dry humper. don't feed into his bs laugh.gif

I liked his voice over work on the all access but i'm not saying he's better then the dude who did 24/7. His voice was perfect for that. I think Sam L Jackson would be good in this capacity as well


don't be mad at me because i had the courage/intelligence to leave the chi. cali is the shit...i can't front. i'm a citizen of the world. smile.gif

com is not a goat emcee with his fake ass new york wannabe accent. don't nobody from the southside talk or sound like that cat and u know it. laugh.gif

sam jackson would be perfect!!! as would morgan freeman and many others. when them cats narrate...they don't sound like they're reading...and we don't have to wait for them to flip a page to finish a thought. i would think that common's huxtible like ass would be able to read better.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 05:05 PM) *
If you don't think Com is a top dog in hip hop history then your effin stupid. And just because Chicago didn't have a lot of mainstream acts we still have had some great artists to come out of here

You cali, bow you ain't from here so keep your nose outta Chi business. And before you say I was born there blah blah blah, it ain't were you from its where you at, stay on your side of the states and I'll do the same laugh.gif


laugh.gif

goat=greates of all times....

common ain't the goat of shit!!! let's be real. rakim, nas, krs, biggie...even tupac have more claim to that. common is better than most....but he is by no means a goat emcee. i may be gone....but i got more years in the chi than u do. laugh.gif
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 02:03 PM) *
I'm not based because he's from Chicago lol. You confusing me with professor, he's the one who thinks everything is cali is awesome. He was born in Chicago but he ain't Chicago lol

When I say Com is GOAT I'm saying emceeing, he's one of the tops to touch the mic, professor is a cali dry humper. don't feed into his bs laugh.gif

I liked his voice over work on the all access but i'm not saying he's better then the dude who did 24/7. His voice was perfect for that. I think Sam L Jackson would be good in this capacity as well

Man has sense, that is why they call him Professor

QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 10 2013, 03:38 PM) *
don't be mad at me because i had the courage/intelligence to leave the chi. cali is the shit...i can't front. i'm a citizen of the world. smile.gif

com is not a goat emcee with his fake ass new york wannabe accent. don't nobody from the southside talk or sound like that cat and u know it. laugh.gif

sam jackson would be perfect!!! as would morgan freeman and many others. when them cats narrate...they don't sound like they're reading...and we don't have to wait for them to flip a page to finish a thought. i would think that common's huxtible like ass would be able to read better.


No truer words have ever been spoken!! To quote one of your hometown boys "Welcome to the good life!"
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 10 2013, 05:40 PM) *
laugh.gif

goat=greates of all times....

common ain't the goat of shit!!! let's be real. rakim, nas, krs, biggie...even tupac have more claim to that. common is better than most....but he is by no means a goat emcee. i may be gone....but i got more years in the chi than u do. laugh.gif


If you don't think he's one of the tops to bless the mic then I don't know what to tell you. We all have opinions.

You may have more years but it ain't where you from its where you at, and your a smart little cookie, how do you think your opinion would be perceived here saying that lol. You know what time it is, you was born here you left, you cali, you ain't from here no more. You the David Ruffin of chicago fam. You ain't no chi no more, now get out or get carried out laugh.gif
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jul 10 2013, 05:50 PM) *
Man has sense, that is why they call him Professor



No truer words have ever been spoken!! To quote one of your hometown boys "Welcome to the good life!"


Why do you and professor always wanna argue with me, yall even got check coming at my neck, we supposed to be brothas lol
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 10 2013, 05:38 PM) *
don't be mad at me because i had the courage/intelligence to leave the chi. cali is the shit...i can't front. i'm a citizen of the world. smile.gif

com is not a goat emcee with his fake ass new york wannabe accent. don't nobody from the southside talk or sound like that cat and u know it. laugh.gif

sam jackson would be perfect!!! as would morgan freeman and many others. when them cats narrate...they don't sound like they're reading...and we don't have to wait for them to flip a page to finish a thought. i would think that common's huxtible like ass would be able to read better.


I could never be mad at you for making a move you felt was necessary. A Lot of my friends who train fighters done moved there and keep trying to get me to move out thete
I won't front and say some years back that I didn't consider it

I'm saying for me, and many others, he's a goat on the mic. I think he's an avg actor but I can't take him too serious after that crap he put out with queen latifah. he has a movie bi watched on Netflix called luv, now that's a good one. He did well in it
He ain't a leading man type though hut musically I give him all the props in the world

So do you favor them switching it up or just keeping it the same? I'd like to see Jackson or Freeman get a run at it, that would be pretty cool
mrchitown
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jul 10 2013, 04:52 PM) *
He's a good mcee. But if anyone deserves GOAT status from the chi it lupe

His voice overs were really good tho. But I like hbos as well


I grew up with lupe. he really blossomed into the person he is now because as kids he wasn't like that at all. People try to play him but musically he provides substance. Not this same old shot em bull crap we hear

I like Hbo also. I think it's liev schriber who does 24/7. dudes voice was made for that kind of work




daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 06:59 PM) *
If you don't think he's one of the tops to bless the mic then I don't know what to tell you. We all have opinions.

You may have more years but it ain't where you from its where you at, and your a smart little cookie, how do you think your opinion would be perceived here saying that lol. You know what time it is, you was born here you left, you cali, you ain't from here no more. You the David Ruffin of chicago fam. You ain't no chi no more, now get out or get carried out laugh.gif


sometimes u gotta leave to achieve greatness....there were many before me...there'll be others after.

nat king cole
sam cooke
lou rawls
chaka khan...

just to name a few. smile.gif
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 07:05 PM) *
I could never be mad at you for making a move you felt was necessary. A Lot of my friends who train fighters done moved there and keep trying to get me to move out thete
I won't front and say some years back that I didn't consider it

I'm saying for me, and many others, he's a goat on the mic. I think he's an avg actor but I can't take him too serious after that crap he put out with queen latifah. he has a movie bi watched on Netflix called luv, now that's a good one. He did well in it
He ain't a leading man type though hut musically I give him all the props in the world

So do you favor them switching it up or just keeping it the same? I'd like to see Jackson or Freeman get a run at it, that would be pretty cool


i think them giving floyd executive producer credits on the show was great for him...but not so great for their future. not everyone can pull that off. it was cool in the beginning and it's nice seeing all the behind the scenes shit...but it's old. none of it is new. we know all about floyd now...the same way we knew all about pac on 24/7. how many times can that shit be rehashed? throwing common in there seemed like a good idea up front...but listening and watching...i felt it was a mistake. i'd like to see them try a few formulas to keep shit fresh. they do it with their commentary so why not? while we're at it... they need to get rid of that mma dude. he fucks up the commentary for me.

as for common...truth be told...he's one of my favorites but i can't bestow the goat label on him.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 07:09 PM) *
I grew up with lupe. he really blossomed into the person he is now because as kids he wasn't like that at all. People try to play him but musically he provides substance. Not this same old shot em bull crap we hear

I like Hbo also. I think it's liev schriber who does 24/7. dudes voice was made for that kind of work


you're a northsider? huh.gif
checkleft
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 06:09 PM) *
I grew up with lupe. he really blossomed into the person he is now because as kids he wasn't like that at all. People try to play him but musically he provides substance. Not this same old shot em bull crap we hear

I like Hbo also. I think it's liev schriber who does 24/7. dudes voice was made for that kind of work

Lupe is the truth. I'm from cali and I can tell you most cali rappers get on my fucking nerves. There's only a few cal rappers past and present that are pretty good.

The Hbo dude does a great job, I think he does some other documentaries as well
mrchitown
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jul 10 2013, 08:04 PM) *
Lupe is the truth. I'm from cali and I can tell you most cali rappers get on my fucking nerves. There's only a few cal rappers past and present that are pretty good.

The Hbo dude does a great job, I think he does some other documentaries as well


I rock with some cali rappers, kendrick, Jay rock, schoolboy from there too right? I like glasses Malone even though his album ain't never coming out. Of course I still rock with snoop, day, cube, wc,.. a lot of them

That Hbo guy made 24/7 to Mr. I used to love when he would say "The fight.....is 7 days Away" I knew it was go time then lol
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 10 2013, 07:47 PM) *
you're a northsider? huh.gif


Heck no lol...he ain't grow up on no north side, IDK where you got that from. his father and mother used to be together but they split up when we was real young his father moved out west. Truth be told, he be fronting like he spent major time out west hit nah, his mother wouldn't allow that. He went to and graduated from Thornton high school. I grew up on 89th paulina. I wish I was protected like them north side kids were

He used to rap about guns and drugs and Jay was trying to sign Lupe when we was juniors in high school. His mom wasn't feeling it but when he turned 18 he started getting more and more buzz in the city and attention Jay still wanted to sign him but he ended up rocking with Atlantic and he regrets it.

The mother of my child is best friends with the love of his life lol, I still speak to him thru a mutual friend. His anr is close to us both, if I really needed to speak to him I'd hit dude up. He used to perpetrate like he was stone until he got jumped by some real stones. That's when he started rapping about the subject matter he touches on now. I don't understand why he gives Kanye props when kanye didn't reach back for him or anyone in the city, he's the asshole out of the bunch
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 10 2013, 07:38 PM) *
sometimes u gotta leave to achieve greatness....there were many before me...there'll be others after.

nat king cole
sam cooke
lou rawls
chaka khan...

just to name a few. smile.gif


Tru
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 10:23 PM) *
I rock with some cali rappers, kendrick, Jay rock, schoolboy from there too right? I like glasses Malone even though his album ain't never coming out. Of course I still rock with snoop, day, cube, wc,.. a lot of them

That Hbo guy made 24/7 to Mr. I used to love when he would say "The fight.....is 7 days Away" I knew it was go time then lol


i think most cali rappers are whack....except for cats like the pharcyde, del, cypress, psycho realm, kendrick is tight...

snoop was good back in the day...with daz n corrupt....nwa way back when....dr dre in the beginning...cube's first couple of solo joints were tight...now, pure whackness.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 10 2013, 07:46 PM) *
i think them giving floyd executive producer credits on the show was great for him...but not so great for their future. not everyone can pull that off. it was cool in the beginning and it's nice seeing all the behind the scenes shit...but it's old. none of it is new. we know all about floyd now...the same way we knew all about pac on 24/7. how many times can that shit be rehashed? throwing common in there seemed like a good idea up front...but listening and watching...i felt it was a mistake. i'd like to see them try a few formulas to keep shit fresh. they do it with their commentary so why not? while we're at it... they need to get rid of that mma dude. he fucks up the commentary for me.

as for common...truth be told...he's one of my favorites but i can't bestow the goat label on him.


He has some classics in his catalogue, I can't take nothing away from dude except the fact that he let badu work her magic in him lol

I see what your saying, they need to be more innovative. I don't dislike the mma guy, but I do think he should stick to commentating mma fights. He doesn't seem to fit a boxing broadcast team. I wouldn't be mad that if they were going to keep doing all access, had. A different person do the voice overs
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 10:29 PM) *
Heck no lol...he ain't grow up on no north side, IDK where you got that from. his father and mother used to be together but they split up when we was real young his father moved out west. Truth be told, he be fronting like he spent major time out west hit nah, his mother wouldn't allow that. He went to and graduated from Thornton high school. I grew up on 89th paulina. I wish I was protected like them north side kids were

He used to rap about guns and drugs and Jay was trying to sign Lupe when we was juniors in high school. His mom wasn't feeling it but when he turned 18 he started getting more and more buzz in the city and attention Jay still wanted to sign him but he ended up rocking with Atlantic and he regrets it.

The mother of my child is best friends with the love of his life lol, I still speak to him thru a mutual friend. His anr is close to us both, if I really needed to speak to him I'd hit dude up. He used to perpetrate like he was stone until he got jumped by some real stones. That's when he started rapping about the subject matter he touches on now. I don't understand why he gives Kanye props when kanye didn't reach back for him or anyone in the city, he's the asshole out of the bunch


i used to spin back in the day and produce. i know a lot of chicago cats on the hip hop tip. i don't remember him...but when i would go to 'the spot' off of halsted and randolph...my partner used to sneak kanye up in the club on open mic nights. apparently, he was always around and one of my homies tells me we smoked out with him in the ride listening to some of his tracks when he was a shorty. laugh.gif this same dude was asked by twister to be his deejay and he refused because we all thought twista was whack and would never make it. laugh.gif the cats i rolled with are also still tight with rasheed and no i.d. i know rasheed aka common in passing. some of my homies hang with him still. there were some other dudes that used to roll with us that achieved a little bit of fame... rhyme fest and this other dude G.Q. that was back in the mid '90's. i gave all that shit up because i needed to support my seeds and i just got tired of the whole scene. there are a lot of talented cats in chicago who have never made it. my ex used to be in a group that used to open up for all the major acts that came thru the chi back in the early '90's. the other group that used to open with them was MGM...that was R Kelly's group before he got famous. i've seen and been around all that shit. for the most part...a lot of talented artist are down to earth people who are real as shit. lupe is one of my favorites from the chi.


mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 10 2013, 09:33 PM) *
i think most cali rappers are whack....except for cats like the pharcyde, del, cypress, psycho realm, kendrick is tight...

snoop was good back in the day...with daz n corrupt....nwa way back when....dr dre in the beginning...cube's first couple of solo joints were tight...now, pure whackness.


Cube aint put out nothing lately but the last 2 he put out independently were pretty good IMO, pharcyde was the shit
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 10 2013, 09:53 PM) *
i used to spin back in the day and produce. i know a lot of chicago cats on the hip hop tip. i don't remember him...but when i would go to 'the spot' off of halsted and randolph...my partner used to sneak kanye up in the club on open mic nights. apparently, he was always around and one of my homies tells me we smoked out with him in the ride listening to some of his tracks when he was a shorty. laugh.gif this same dude was asked by twister to be his deejay and he refused because we all thought twista was whack and would never make it. laugh.gif the cats i rolled with are also still tight with rasheed and no i.d. i know rasheed aka common in passing. some of my homies hang with him still. there were some other dudes that used to roll with us that achieved a little bit of fame... rhyme fest and this other dude G.Q. that was back in the mid '90's. i gave all that shit up because i needed to support my seeds and i just got tired of the whole scene. there are a lot of talented cats in chicago who have never made it. my ex used to be in a group that used to open up for all the major acts that came thru the chi back in the early '90's. the other group that used to open with them was MGM...that was R Kelly's group before he got famous. i've seen and been around all that shit. for the most part...a lot of talented artist are down to earth people who are real as shit. lupe is one of my favorites from the chi.


Too much crab in barrel stuff here, but the city finally getting some light so I guess it's a good thing
checkleft
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 10 2013, 09:23 PM) *
I rock with some cali rappers, kendrick, Jay rock, schoolboy from there too right? I like glasses Malone even though his album ain't never coming out. Of course I still rock with snoop, day, cube, wc,.. a lot of them

That Hbo guy made 24/7 to Mr. I used to love when he would say "The fight.....is 7 days Away" I knew it was go time then lol

Kendrick is the only one that's surprisingly good. His last album was one of the better ones I heard in a while

The De la hoya mayweather 24/7 is still my favorite. The production was great
Dolimite
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 10 2013, 07:33 PM) *
i think most cali rappers are whack....except for cats like the pharcyde, del, cypress, psycho realm, kendrick is tight...

snoop was good back in the day...with daz n corrupt....nwa way back when....dr dre in the beginning...cube's first couple of solo joints were tight...now, pure whackness.


The funny thing about Del is that in very show he opens up he says "I'm Del, you know, Ice Cube's cousin." That shit cracks me up every time!!

Snoop's first album was classic,the Chronic was a classic. The Pharcyde, if they could get along would be beyond legends throughout the US. NWA never was a fan of. I haven't gotten into Kendrick Lamar as of yet. Cypress Hill lost me with that Rock rap shit. Cali rappers aren't crap just the ones who get played are. The Freestyle Fellowship crew is off the chain. Dilated Peoples is dope! They get little shine, but they are dope. Matter of fact, one of the members slaughtered Eminem in a freestyle contest. It was fuckin amazing!
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 11 2013, 02:28 AM) *
Too much crab in barrel stuff here, but the city finally getting some light so I guess it's a good thing


yessir! that shit exists everywhere....but back home, even my own family would pull me down. shit is sad.
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