QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jul 14 2013, 08:46 PM)
I understand Duran was around for a minute, but that just because he didn't leave the game when he probably should of. Haglar left earlier and is still considered a great. I think Duran was natural bigger than Pryor and to be honest, he could handle that weight. Duran carried his power to the upper division and I don't think Pryor could handle the bigger guys at a higher weight. Some fighters just do not transition to the higher weights. I don't think I should punish a fighter for not being able to make a jump to the higher weights. Floyd is a perfect welter weight and would dominate at jr, welter weight. If he moved up any higher he would get punished. They like to compare Floyd to SRR but SRR started his career at 147, so he could move naturally up. When Roy Jones moved up to heavy weight it ruined his career, when James Tony moved up in weight it destroyed his career.
When Chavez fought Sweet Pea in San Anton it was a clear fucking lost! And I started to notice, anytime a fight was remotely close he would win. I just do not rank Chavez high. Camacho in my opinion was an okay fighter, not great, but okay. He was known more for his outfits than his boxing. Arguello won a championship at 17!!!! Come on, that is spectacular. If you look at Canelo Alvarez he has fought 42 fighters and only 1 had a belt. That is how I view Chavez Jr. He had lots of fights in Mexico. It like Pacquiao getting his name up in the Philippines, knocking out guys you never heard of. However, he earned his stripes by fighting three of the best Mexican fighters at the time. Now I do think he lost to Barrera but hell who am I. I just think we have to really look at fighters career and comb through them carefully and look at all aspects of their fights and careers. the reason why Mayweather is not in my top ten or five is because he isn't done fighting. So we shall see what his career looks like two years from now.
First of all my friend, i know you dont do this on purpose, but please try not to get a fighters name wrong and/or confuse him with another fighter when your trying to defend him in an argument lol
floyd mayweather is not a natural welterwieght jsut like pacquiao, and duran was not a natural middleweight. They became those weights because thats what theire bodies eventually worked into, but it took them years and years of work to slowly grow into those weights. floyd walks around at his fighting weight, he cannot go any higher in weight, he was a natural 130 punder and stayed under welterweight un til 2006. the fatc that your even talking about him going up higher means your reading too much into the bullshit that all these fake floyd fans are spewing, forget all that nonsense. robinson actually started his career as a lightweight. the fact that you mentioned roy jones and james toney sucking at higher weights, is exactly the point im getting at, only the truly exceptional fighters have conquered multiple weight classes, and ok so you might not knock pryor for not being able to handle the big fish pond, then you must commend guys like duran and mayweather that have done it multiples times and beaten the tp guys to win titles in 4 and 5 different weight classes.
durans skillset is what allowed him to win at higher weights, only the truly skilled boxers can do this, thats why when guys like jones and toney moved up they sucked, because they relied on their physical gifts like power and speed. thats why duran and mayweather are top ten GOATs because they utilized skills to win titles in higher weight classes. durans defense, ring IQ and experience allowed him to accomplish that, not his power.
Most importantly, what you said about chavez couldnt be more wrong. he is nothing like canelo. chavez fought all these champions in their prime and beat them all excpet whitaker, randall and de la hoya. he avenged his lost to randall by KO:
roger mayweather, a 2 time champion in 2 diferent weight classes
juan laporte, a featherweight champion who lost to two future GOATs, sanchez and gomez
rocky lockridge, a super featherweight champ who KOd uncle roger in 1st round, then lost to GOST gomez
edwin rosario, a 3 time lightweight world champion, and 1 time junior welter champ too i think?
frankie randal, 3 time light welter champion
sammy fuentes, wbo light welter champ
giovani parisi, lightweight and light welter champ
greg haugen, lightweight and light welter champ
macho camacho, super feather, lightweight, and light welter champ, future GOAT
Lonnie smith, wbc light welter champ
jose luis ramirez, im sure you know this guy, he is a 2 time wbc lightweight champ, lost to GOAT arguello
pernell whitaker, i agree with you he lost the fight, undisputed lgithweight champ, light welter and welter champ
rafael limon, 2 time super feather champ, lost to GOAT arguello
meldrick taylor, light welter and welter champ
tony lopez, super feather and lightweight champ
oscar de la hoya, super feather, lightweight, light welter, welter, light middle, and middleweight world champion
this contender deserves honorablke mention
ruben castillo, 3 time contender who lost his title fights to future GOATs, arguello, sanchez, and chavez himself
do some homework before you say something stupid like chavez is like canelo fighting nobodies and false champs. in fact these guys were mostly two time champs or two division champs.
As i said before, just because YOU NEVER HEARD OF THEM, dont mean they werent real champions from the 80s, because they were. If you think arguello and whitaker are great, then you should know one or two of these men at least.