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http://www.boxingscene.com/rigondeauxs-man...-mistake--67553

Rigis manager is going off on Hbo and threatening arum if he doesn't do his job, this is getting more than interesting
Dolimite
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jul 11 2013, 06:06 PM) *
http://www.boxingscene.com/rigondeauxs-man...-mistake--67553

Rigis manager is going off on Hbo and threatening arum if he doesn't do his job, this is getting more than interesting

I read this article early today. Showtime might be able to snatch Rigondeux away from HBO. Let's be honest, HBO is in love knockout artist and crowd pleasers. There is no room for Rigondeaux on HBO. I think this is a perfect opportunity for someone to buy out his contract and go elsewhere. Arum is pissed cause Rigondeaux exposed his golden goose in Donaire. This is pure bullshit. Arum is a piss of shit.
mrchitown
I'm glad Rigo's team has decided to step up and not be silent on the matter. Ever since he best Nonito, Arum has gone out of his way to discredit the accomplishments of Rigondeaux, he just wants the money from the fighters he could truly care less. it's obvious he has fighters in his roster that he doesn't really care for. He should just release them and let them go to a better situation if he feels he can do nothing for them. But then again that would be like showing compassion and we know he ain't that type of dude.

There are some good matches to be made if he was to switch over to showtime. Hyde is right, HBO will come to regret this decision if they keep disrespecting Rigondeaux and other boxers like this as well. I'm willing to bet a lot of money that they diss Ward one of these days. May happen if he fights JCC Jr. They favor his style over the technician type
checkleft
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jul 11 2013, 08:14 PM) *
I read this article early today. Showtime might be able to snatch Rigondeux away from HBO. Let's be honest, HBO is in love knockout artist and crowd pleasers. There is no room for Rigondeaux on HBO. I think this is a perfect opportunity for someone to buy out his contract and go elsewhere. Arum is pissed cause Rigondeaux exposed his golden goose in Donaire. This is pure bullshit. Arum is a piss of shit.

Okay here is the twist with this shit, after I read that he is only CO-PROMOTED by top rank I remembered that he held out on his top rank extension until his other promotional company was included in the extension! So what that technically means? Idk??? Can he basically say fuck top ranks part of the deal, make fights with the other company and then just have to give arum his percentage of whatever he earns??? Because I really doubt arum goes to showtime to get rigo a fight and risks jeopardizing his relationship with Hbo who hates showtime.
Cheesey1
If I owned a time machine, I'd send myself back to the exact moment that Rigondeaux was signing the TR extension. Hurtling through the time portal, I would have appeared just as Guillermo was about to sign, shouting "Rigon-DON'T!!"
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Jul 15 2013, 12:10 AM) *
If I owned a time machine, I'd send myself back to the exact moment that Rigondeaux was signing the TR extension. Hurtling through the time portal, I would have appeared just as Guillermo was about to sign, shouting "Rigon-DON'T!!"


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checkleft
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Jul 15 2013, 12:10 AM) *
If I owned a time machine, I'd send myself back to the exact moment that Rigondeaux was signing the TR extension. Hurtling through the time portal, I would have appeared just as Guillermo was about to sign, shouting "Rigon-DON'T!!"

That's why they call you cheesy lol
Franchize
It would be so great to see Rigo on Showtime
Cheesey1
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jul 15 2013, 12:53 AM) *
That's why they call you cheesy lol
So true...
BrutUalBK
QUOTE
Let's be honest, HBO is in love knockout artist and crowd pleasers.


Agreed 100%!!! I couldn't have said it better myself, if anyone watched the fight game with Jim Lampley you can hear how he practically picked over Rigo's style and went on to say how fan friendly it wasn't and then to top matters off he brings on another clown to discredit Floyd's choice of Canelo and make it sound as though the only reason Floyd accepted this fight was for the money (and all the while I was thinking "tell me one fighter who doesn't fight for the most cash").

Arum I believe was the culprit in the TB vs Provo fight; meaning he told Tim that he had to make this more of a brawl because Arum knew it was a double positive for him-if TB fights this way and scores a KO then he can promote him better on HBO and say how he has changed his style to be more "fan friendly" and if Provo wins (which he really knew it was Ruslan's only chance if the fight were a brawl) and especially by KO he can start to promote his future Cashcow again, especially if MP loses to Rios.

This whole entire debacle about crowd pleasers and KO artist (though I love em just as much as the next guy but appreciate a good technical scrap as much) has escalated due to the way MMA fights usually end in spectacular KO fashion or quickly and somehow those action juice junkies have precipitated their need for the same fix in boxing thus ignoring the more technically sound Master Boxers like Floyd and Rigo in favor of the Rios's and Alvarado's of the sport.

HBO is making sure that Arum is only pushing his crowd pleasers on their network because they say this is what the fans want to see, if Rigo is smart he should buy his way out of his contract with Arum and dump HBO for Showtime (where they will talk up his technical brilliance much in the way they are doing with Floyd), something HBO never did.
HyyerBlaze
I lol'd when he said he and mayweather are the best two fighters in the world.


Bitch please.
Cshel86
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jul 11 2013, 11:39 PM) *
Okay here is the twist with this shit, after I read that he is only CO-PROMOTED by top rank I remembered that he held out on his top rank extension until his other promotional company was included in the extension! So what that technically means? Idk??? Can he basically say fuck top ranks part of the deal, make fights with the other company and then just have to give arum his percentage of whatever he earns??? Because I really doubt arum goes to showtime to get rigo a fight and risks jeopardizing his relationship with Hbo who hates showtime.

TR is doing their best to be his primary promoter, why not go along with Rigo's request to have his primary promoter be a part of his extension? This is where the cookie crumbles...his primary promoter will have the hardest of times getting him big fights and tv dates.

If HBO doesn't want to put Rigo on their network, and that's WITH Top Rank being the guys with all of the juice (so to speak), then what is his matchbox promoter going to do when things really get rough, and Rigo cant even get FNF dates?

With that in mind, I see Top Rank playing the "let me take the lead on this one, I can get him better fights and tv dates" with his current promoter. Arum may not be able to do shit with Rigo, but as long as he can take the wheel with his career, he's accomplished something in this nasty situation.
mgrover
QUOTE (HyyerBlaze @ Jul 23 2013, 05:26 PM) *
I lol'd when he said he and mayweather are the best two fighters in the world.


Bitch please.


skillwise rigo is in top three
Jack 1000
This is an piece I wrote showing how the history of HBO's, bias, jump-started by Jim Lamply hurts Rigondeaux so much. It's basically a summation of all of the problems with HBO that we have been talking about. A move to Showtime may not only be the best option, it may be the only option available so that Rigo gets the respect he is due, and will never get positive recognition from HBO commentary or HBO producers.


HBO Commentary and Jim Lamply Bias


“My response in a question to why Guillermo Rigondeaux is bashed by HBO. This is nothing new and is a pattern that has been developing for YEARS!”

****************
The blatant disrespect given by HBO to elusive stylist Guillermo Rigondeaux is due to Jim Lamply's pom-pom shaking for Rocky-type wars from now on, over slick boxers with no personality or a negative personality. HBO commentary implies slick boxers with a hated personality are boring. HBO's recipe for success is you either have to be a vicious brawler or at least a likable pretty boy. The pretty boy mindset began with Jones and Delahoya, which to Merchant and Lamps were ok, until Roy started Cherry Picking his opposition.

Jim Lamply’s first cheerleading was for Oscar Delahoya in a sickening way, almost as if he had a love relationship with him. Go back to Trinidad-Delahoya were not one complimentary word was said about Tito the whole fight! Jim Lamply loved the media darling Delahoya. Merchant was suspended for a telecast because he once said Delahoya's entrance music "sucked." Trinidad-Delahoya was the beginning of Jim Lamply's bias favoring certain fighters on the network.

It got where it was today with Gatti. Gatti was a thrilling slugger. Gatti was HBO’s next pom-pom shaker, but he was also a B-grade fighter who was rewarded and lost several fights in the process. Ward-Gatti I was a great fight! The second a third fights, over-rated by everyone because Lamply personified what was acceptable to him for the network. The likable slugger. In addition, Merchant played this time along with the slugging mentality at HBO Boxing. Arturo Gatti was the beginning of where Jim Lamply’s commentary created group think at HBO for the whole crew Jim Lamply, Larry Merchant, Roy Jones, and Manny Steward to begin the slugger (Gatti) or lovable boxer (Delahoya) agenda.

When Floyd Mayweather came along and out-boxed the shit out of Gatti, HBO didn't like that at all, and treated Floyd akin to a wrestling comparison, the badass, the villain who just beat their "Hulk Hogan." in Gatti There was some understanding because of Floyd being a POS, hated, and not likeable. What HBO did not remember is how much money and the significance that that "POS" brought to the network. Floyd Mayweather became one of the best Pound-For-Pound fighters in the sport. HBO didn't have their Rocky, their Hulk Hogan, and that made Lamply upset. However, it also planted the seed, and Floyd knew damn well what HBO was thinking over the years, in Lamply's and Merchant's eyes, "Boxers are boring, and Floyd's not a "Goody Two Shoes" personality like Delahoya."

Jim Lamply's and HBO's "Wet Dream" was the emergence of Pacquaio. That was their new Gatti, new Hulk Hogan, new poster boy for everything great about boxing was in that package, A likably slugger. "Pacquaio, Pacquiao, Pacquiao! “Bang! Bang Bang!” That was what Lamply and Merchant wanted in the next Gatti only better. That's when they REALLY started shitting on the "boring boxer." Keep the Klitschko's off the network, they aren't exciting enough. Floyd, according to Jim and Larry, like the Klitschkos, was boring. In fact, HBO THOUGHT they had the potential for some thrills with the Lewis-Vitali brawl, and Lennox got better treatment at HBO that doesn't necessarily fit the "love a brawler model." Nevertheless, Vitali's exile and brother Wlad not being exciting since Brewster I was not enough. HBO had too many boring fights from Wlad, no matter how much he dominated with his height, jab, and ability to break fighters down with the size and reach.

When HBO's poster boy for what's great and lovable about boxing Pacquiao lost to Tim Bradley there was some justification because it was still a bad decision, but no where near the shut-out that the Lamply's pom-pom shaking for Manny made it out to be. Most objective observers gave Tim four rounds. The bias in HBO's commentary of the Bradley-Pacquiao fight was nauseating. If you could stand to listen to it, you would have thought that fight was Holmes (Pacquiao) beating Cobb. (Bradley.) because HBO made it seem like it was so one-sided.

Tim Bradley was hated at HBO because he beat their Hulk Hogan in Pacquaio and made Lamply cry. So much money, time, and promotional energy was HBO and the crew counting on Mayweather-Pacquaio happening, because HBO wanted Floyd to get his ass handed to him. When Marquez fought Pacquaio in three of the closest, most microscopically close fights you could score, (I thought the first was the most marginal for Manny because I thought the early knockdowns were too big a lead for Marquez to recover.) HBO liked it because their boy Manny would still come out a winner.

The seeds were planted. Now if you aren't a Rocky type fighter at HBO, you aren't shit! Moreover, poor Rigondeaux now has to face those consequences. They are bringing back Donaire, and Lamply's pom-poms to go gaga over him once again and THAT is sickening. The ONLY way to get HBO back to somewhat of a respectable state where boxers can be appreciated. Lamply has to go! His overt bias for the slugger has gotten worse and worse for the past decade. I can understand and appreciate that when a fight is a brawl, Lamps can be thrilling to hear. HBO producers and commentators need to realize that just because a fight is a boxing match that does not make it “boring.”

Showtime builds quality two-sided fights that the public wants to see. HBO is still looking for their next Rocky, where it has become so biased against elusive boxers that I now watch HBO for movies and consider Showtime the leader for boxing broadcasts in terms of its commentary integrity and for the most part, just calling the fight, no pom-pom shaking. HBO's production values and new graphics have been shit since January or so with the new graphics and Steve Wisefeld there, WTF? They are going with "Fat Dan" Rafael as some sort of boxing consultant now. Everyone accept Top Rank is leaving HBO for the reasons stated above.

Jack
HyyerBlaze
Say what you want about this style vs that style...HBO still had two of the best fights of the year...and the crowd at the rios/alvarado2 fight was insane...seriously only sat down once in that fight..not one moment of silence.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jul 23 2013, 10:38 PM) *
This is an piece I wrote showing how the history of HBO's, bias, jump-started by Jim Lamply hurts Rigondeaux so much. It's basically a summation of all of the problems with HBO that we have been talking about. A move to Showtime may not only be the best option, it may be the only option available so that Rigo gets the respect he is due, and will never get positive recognition from HBO commentary or HBO producers.


HBO Commentary and Jim Lamply Bias


“My response in a question to why Guillermo Rigondeaux is bashed by HBO. This is nothing new and is a pattern that has been developing for YEARS!”

****************
The blatant disrespect given by HBO to elusive stylist Guillermo Rigondeaux is due to Jim Lamply's pom-pom shaking for Rocky-type wars from now on, over slick boxers with no personality or a negative personality. HBO commentary implies slick boxers with a hated personality are boring. HBO's recipe for success is you either have to be a vicious brawler or at least a likable pretty boy. The pretty boy mindset began with Jones and Delahoya, which to Merchant and Lamps were ok, until Roy started Cherry Picking his opposition.

Jim Lamply’s first cheerleading was for Oscar Delahoya in a sickening way, almost as if he had a love relationship with him. Go back to Trinidad-Delahoya were not one complimentary word was said about Tito the whole fight! Jim Lamply loved the media darling Delahoya. Merchant was suspended for a telecast because he once said Delahoya's entrance music "sucked." Trinidad-Delahoya was the beginning of Jim Lamply's bias favoring certain fighters on the network.

It got where it was today with Gatti. Gatti was a thrilling slugger. Gatti was HBO’s next pom-pom shaker, but he was also a B-grade fighter who was rewarded and lost several fights in the process. Ward-Gatti I was a great fight! The second a third fights, over-rated by everyone because Lamply personified what was acceptable to him for the network. The likable slugger. In addition, Merchant played this time along with the slugging mentality at HBO Boxing. Arturo Gatti was the beginning of where Jim Lamply’s commentary created group think at HBO for the whole crew Jim Lamply, Larry Merchant, Roy Jones, and Manny Steward to begin the slugger (Gatti) or lovable boxer (Delahoya) agenda.

When Floyd Mayweather came along and out-boxed the shit out of Gatti, HBO didn't like that at all, and treated Floyd akin to a wrestling comparison, the badass, the villain who just beat their "Hulk Hogan." in Gatti There was some understanding because of Floyd being a POS, hated, and not likeable. What HBO did not remember is how much money and the significance that that "POS" brought to the network. Floyd Mayweather became one of the best Pound-For-Pound fighters in the sport. HBO didn't have their Rocky, their Hulk Hogan, and that made Lamply upset. However, it also planted the seed, and Floyd knew damn well what HBO was thinking over the years, in Lamply's and Merchant's eyes, "Boxers are boring, and Floyd's not a "Goody Two Shoes" personality like Delahoya."

Jim Lamply's and HBO's "Wet Dream" was the emergence of Pacquaio. That was their new Gatti, new Hulk Hogan, new poster boy for everything great about boxing was in that package, A likably slugger. "Pacquaio, Pacquiao, Pacquiao! “Bang! Bang Bang!” That was what Lamply and Merchant wanted in the next Gatti only better. That's when they REALLY started shitting on the "boring boxer." Keep the Klitschko's off the network, they aren't exciting enough. Floyd, according to Jim and Larry, like the Klitschkos, was boring. In fact, HBO THOUGHT they had the potential for some thrills with the Lewis-Vitali brawl, and Lennox got better treatment at HBO that doesn't necessarily fit the "love a brawler model." Nevertheless, Vitali's exile and brother Wlad not being exciting since Brewster I was not enough. HBO had too many boring fights from Wlad, no matter how much he dominated with his height, jab, and ability to break fighters down with the size and reach.

When HBO's poster boy for what's great and lovable about boxing Pacquiao lost to Tim Bradley there was some justification because it was still a bad decision, but no where near the shut-out that the Lamply's pom-pom shaking for Manny made it out to be. Most objective observers gave Tim four rounds. The bias in HBO's commentary of the Bradley-Pacquiao fight was nauseating. If you could stand to listen to it, you would have thought that fight was Holmes (Pacquiao) beating Cobb. (Bradley.) because HBO made it seem like it was so one-sided.

Tim Bradley was hated at HBO because he beat their Hulk Hogan in Pacquaio and made Lamply cry. So much money, time, and promotional energy was HBO and the crew counting on Mayweather-Pacquaio happening, because HBO wanted Floyd to get his ass handed to him. When Marquez fought Pacquaio in three of the closest, most microscopically close fights you could score, (I thought the first was the most marginal for Manny because I thought the early knockdowns were too big a lead for Marquez to recover.) HBO liked it because their boy Manny would still come out a winner.

The seeds were planted. Now if you aren't a Rocky type fighter at HBO, you aren't shit! Moreover, poor Rigondeaux now has to face those consequences. They are bringing back Donaire, and Lamply's pom-poms to go gaga over him once again and THAT is sickening. The ONLY way to get HBO back to somewhat of a respectable state where boxers can be appreciated. Lamply has to go! His overt bias for the slugger has gotten worse and worse for the past decade. I can understand and appreciate that when a fight is a brawl, Lamps can be thrilling to hear. HBO producers and commentators need to realize that just because a fight is a boxing match that does not make it “boring.”

Showtime builds quality two-sided fights that the public wants to see. HBO is still looking for their next Rocky, where it has become so biased against elusive boxers that I now watch HBO for movies and consider Showtime the leader for boxing broadcasts in terms of its commentary integrity and for the most part, just calling the fight, no pom-pom shaking. HBO's production values and new graphics have been shit since January or so with the new graphics and Steve Wisefeld there, WTF? They are going with "Fat Dan" Rafael as some sort of boxing consultant now. Everyone accept Top Rank is leaving HBO for the reasons stated above.

Jack

Spot on Jack...couldn't agree more.

HBO has blatantly shown their thong as of late, and their private yacht club attitude, is a total disservice to their current situation. They have a veeeery limited selection of fights that will excite, but yet, the beggar is still being choosy? I'm lost here.

I took every ounce of pleasure in watching Rigo systematically deflate HBO's humping balloon, when he beat Donaire for 12 whole rounds. It's like could sense the life being sucked out of them, as Rigo kept his cool and took Donaire's soul. Donaire had that "Rubik's Cube" type of disappointment, written all over his face for the entire fight.
checkleft
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jul 24 2013, 09:04 AM) *
Spot on Jack...couldn't agree more.

HBO has blatantly shown their thong as of late, and their private yacht club attitude, is a total disservice to their current situation. They have a veeeery limited selection of fights that will excite, but yet, the beggar is still being choosy? I'm lost here.

I took every ounce of pleasure in watching Rigo systematically deflate HBO's humping balloon, when he beat Donaire for 12 whole rounds. It's like could sense the life being sucked out of them, as Rigo kept his cool and took Donaire's soul. Donaire had that "Rubik's Cube" type of disappointment, written all over his face for the entire fight.

The best part about that night is after the fight when donaire said it was his fault and he was looking to "excite" the crowd and trying to get a ko, then they interview rigo and he says "you can't expect to win a fight with one punch".

I also love the donaire quote where he thanked rigo for "showing me some beautiful boxing"... Then shortly after he shitted on that and started making excuses.

Maybe Hbo should look to televise some mma or something, I'm sure Dana white would love Jim lampley Lmao
Cshel86
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jul 24 2013, 10:47 AM) *
The best part about that night is after the fight when donaire said it was his fault and he was looking to "excite" the crowd and trying to get a ko, then they interview rigo and he says "you can't expect to win a fight with one punch".

I also love the donaire quote where he thanked rigo for "showing me some beautiful boxing"... Then shortly after he shitted on that and started making excuses.

Maybe Hbo should look to televise some mma or something, I'm sure Dana white would love Jim lampley Lmao

Dude was on the seesaw of delusion in that post-fight interview, poor Donaire. He wanted to please the crowd so bad, but he also wanted to cover up the fact that he got his ass handed to him. I wanted to tell him that it's only considered "beautiful boxing", if effectively competing with that beautiful boxing, not if you're getting shut down every round. He made it seem like he edged most of the rounds or somethin'.

That shoulder excuse was a bunch of bull. I mean really, did Donaire really need his shoulder that night? From the looks of it, the answer was "no". Dana White's too much of a jerk (with very good reason), to be a part of HBO. He tends to tell the truth and put the media on blast...I see HBO avoiding him like the plague. Lol
daprofessor
donaire's body looked like shit that fight. he split with conte midway through the camp. let's see what he looks like from here on out with out his special mix from victor "i can beat any test out there" conte.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 24 2013, 01:32 PM) *
donaire's body looked like shit that fight. he split with conte midway through the camp. let's see what he looks like from here on out with out his special mix from victor "i can beat any test out there" conte.

And he basically trains himself... It seems like he isn't taking boxing so seriously especially the last few fights. Here's a suggestion, how about spending an actual camp with your fucking head trainer?
daprofessor
QUOTE (HyyerBlaze @ Jul 23 2013, 12:26 PM) *
I lol'd when he said he and mayweather are the best two fighters in the world.


Bitch please.


he's got 2 gold medals to floyds bronze.

he became champion in 6 fights. he has the opposition to stake his claim. he's already beaten a fighter he was supposed to lose to. his skills are undeniable. aside from ward and floyd....name someone better.
daprofessor
QUOTE (HyyerBlaze @ Jul 24 2013, 12:10 AM) *
Say what you want about this style vs that style...HBO still had two of the best fights of the year...and the crowd at the rios/alvarado2 fight was insane...seriously only sat down once in that fight..not one moment of silence.


i enjoyed crawford/prescott more than rios/alvarado 2. i got a head ache from watching that and the bradley/provodnikov fights....but i'll say bradley/provodnikov is a definite FOTY candidate.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jul 23 2013, 10:38 PM) *
This is an piece I wrote showing how the history of HBO's, bias, jump-started by Jim Lamply hurts Rigondeaux so much. It's basically a summation of all of the problems with HBO that we have been talking about. A move to Showtime may not only be the best option, it may be the only option available so that Rigo gets the respect he is due, and will never get positive recognition from HBO commentary or HBO producers.


HBO Commentary and Jim Lamply Bias


“My response in a question to why Guillermo Rigondeaux is bashed by HBO. This is nothing new and is a pattern that has been developing for YEARS!”

****************
The blatant disrespect given by HBO to elusive stylist Guillermo Rigondeaux is due to Jim Lamply's pom-pom shaking for Rocky-type wars from now on, over slick boxers with no personality or a negative personality. HBO commentary implies slick boxers with a hated personality are boring. HBO's recipe for success is you either have to be a vicious brawler or at least a likable pretty boy. The pretty boy mindset began with Jones and Delahoya, which to Merchant and Lamps were ok, until Roy started Cherry Picking his opposition.

Jim Lamply’s first cheerleading was for Oscar Delahoya in a sickening way, almost as if he had a love relationship with him. Go back to Trinidad-Delahoya were not one complimentary word was said about Tito the whole fight! Jim Lamply loved the media darling Delahoya. Merchant was suspended for a telecast because he once said Delahoya's entrance music "sucked." Trinidad-Delahoya was the beginning of Jim Lamply's bias favoring certain fighters on the network.

It got where it was today with Gatti. Gatti was a thrilling slugger. Gatti was HBO’s next pom-pom shaker, but he was also a B-grade fighter who was rewarded and lost several fights in the process. Ward-Gatti I was a great fight! The second a third fights, over-rated by everyone because Lamply personified what was acceptable to him for the network. The likable slugger. In addition, Merchant played this time along with the slugging mentality at HBO Boxing. Arturo Gatti was the beginning of where Jim Lamply’s commentary created group think at HBO for the whole crew Jim Lamply, Larry Merchant, Roy Jones, and Manny Steward to begin the slugger (Gatti) or lovable boxer (Delahoya) agenda.

When Floyd Mayweather came along and out-boxed the shit out of Gatti, HBO didn't like that at all, and treated Floyd akin to a wrestling comparison, the badass, the villain who just beat their "Hulk Hogan." in Gatti There was some understanding because of Floyd being a POS, hated, and not likeable. What HBO did not remember is how much money and the significance that that "POS" brought to the network. Floyd Mayweather became one of the best Pound-For-Pound fighters in the sport. HBO didn't have their Rocky, their Hulk Hogan, and that made Lamply upset. However, it also planted the seed, and Floyd knew damn well what HBO was thinking over the years, in Lamply's and Merchant's eyes, "Boxers are boring, and Floyd's not a "Goody Two Shoes" personality like Delahoya."

Jim Lamply's and HBO's "Wet Dream" was the emergence of Pacquaio. That was their new Gatti, new Hulk Hogan, new poster boy for everything great about boxing was in that package, A likably slugger. "Pacquaio, Pacquiao, Pacquiao! “Bang! Bang Bang!” That was what Lamply and Merchant wanted in the next Gatti only better. That's when they REALLY started shitting on the "boring boxer." Keep the Klitschko's off the network, they aren't exciting enough. Floyd, according to Jim and Larry, like the Klitschkos, was boring. In fact, HBO THOUGHT they had the potential for some thrills with the Lewis-Vitali brawl, and Lennox got better treatment at HBO that doesn't necessarily fit the "love a brawler model." Nevertheless, Vitali's exile and brother Wlad not being exciting since Brewster I was not enough. HBO had too many boring fights from Wlad, no matter how much he dominated with his height, jab, and ability to break fighters down with the size and reach.

When HBO's poster boy for what's great and lovable about boxing Pacquiao lost to Tim Bradley there was some justification because it was still a bad decision, but no where near the shut-out that the Lamply's pom-pom shaking for Manny made it out to be. Most objective observers gave Tim four rounds. The bias in HBO's commentary of the Bradley-Pacquiao fight was nauseating. If you could stand to listen to it, you would have thought that fight was Holmes (Pacquiao) beating Cobb. (Bradley.) because HBO made it seem like it was so one-sided.

Tim Bradley was hated at HBO because he beat their Hulk Hogan in Pacquaio and made Lamply cry. So much money, time, and promotional energy was HBO and the crew counting on Mayweather-Pacquaio happening, because HBO wanted Floyd to get his ass handed to him. When Marquez fought Pacquaio in three of the closest, most microscopically close fights you could score, (I thought the first was the most marginal for Manny because I thought the early knockdowns were too big a lead for Marquez to recover.) HBO liked it because their boy Manny would still come out a winner.

The seeds were planted. Now if you aren't a Rocky type fighter at HBO, you aren't shit! Moreover, poor Rigondeaux now has to face those consequences. They are bringing back Donaire, and Lamply's pom-poms to go gaga over him once again and THAT is sickening. The ONLY way to get HBO back to somewhat of a respectable state where boxers can be appreciated. Lamply has to go! His overt bias for the slugger has gotten worse and worse for the past decade. I can understand and appreciate that when a fight is a brawl, Lamps can be thrilling to hear. HBO producers and commentators need to realize that just because a fight is a boxing match that does not make it “boring.”

Showtime builds quality two-sided fights that the public wants to see. HBO is still looking for their next Rocky, where it has become so biased against elusive boxers that I now watch HBO for movies and consider Showtime the leader for boxing broadcasts in terms of its commentary integrity and for the most part, just calling the fight, no pom-pom shaking. HBO's production values and new graphics have been shit since January or so with the new graphics and Steve Wisefeld there, WTF? They are going with "Fat Dan" Rafael as some sort of boxing consultant now. Everyone accept Top Rank is leaving HBO for the reasons stated above.

Jack


good stuff!!!

i read a piece that i think you might enjoy....

jasonpetockdhb


HyyerBlaze
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 24 2013, 07:10 PM) *
he's got 2 gold medals to floyds bronze.

he became champion in 6 fights. he has the opposition to stake his claim. he's already beaten a fighter he was supposed to lose to. his skills are undeniable. aside from ward and floyd....name someone better.


Yes but everyone on here saying Canelo aint shit cuz who has he beat...well you can say the same for Rigo imo.


Doesnt Queen Khan have a silver?lol


HyyerBlaze
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 24 2013, 07:12 PM) *
i enjoyed crawford/prescott more than rios/alvarado 2. i got a head ache from watching that and the bradley/provodnikov fights....but i'll say bradley/provodnikov is a definite FOTY candidate.

Lol dude you are lying to your self.That fight was freaking epic.2nd round was one of the best ive seen since probably JCCjr/Martinez's 12th
Cshel86
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jul 24 2013, 04:41 PM) *
And he basically trains himself... It seems like he isn't taking boxing so seriously especially the last few fights. Here's a suggestion, how about spending an actual camp with your fucking head trainer?

Right, spend a a whole camp with your trainer Donaire! He's been doing the same thing for his past few fights...doing half camps and shit.

That shit reminds me of rap songs that I hear nowadays with 3 or 4 rappers on them. You think that they're all in the studio together, collaborating, recording their verses, etc...but in reality, they're all in separate studios, and end up sending their verses to the engineers. Lol

mrchitown
QUOTE (HyyerBlaze @ Jul 24 2013, 10:04 PM) *
Yes but everyone on here saying Canelo aint shit cuz who has he beat...well you can say the same for Rigo imo.


Doesnt Queen Khan have a silver?lol


Donaire is the best fighter out of either resume. There is no way you can compare the comp he's faced to Canelo
Dolimite
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 24 2013, 03:10 PM) *
he's got 2 gold medals to floyds bronze.

he became champion in 6 fights. he has the opposition to stake his claim. he's already beaten a fighter he was supposed to lose to. his skills are undeniable. aside from ward and floyd....name someone better.

You and I both know Floyd was robbed during the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta.

Rigondeaux I knew was the truth when I first saw him The guy is amazing, smart technical and all around great fighter. I hope he leaves HBO and that fuck Arum. He needs to be on Showtime. He will have a better chance plus Mares and Rigondeaux can happen if he jumps ship and weight. This guy has a future and too be honest I want to see him fight three times a year. No one is fucking with this guy anytime soon.

Pacquiao!

daprofessor
QUOTE (HyyerBlaze @ Jul 24 2013, 11:04 PM) *
Yes but everyone on here saying Canelo aint shit cuz who has he beat...well you can say the same for Rigo imo.


Doesnt Queen Khan have a silver?lol


winning a gold medal is much harder than winning a professional world title.

canelo hasn't beaten anyone as good as donaire.

rigondeaux has more skill and ability in his pinky toe than rick astley has in his whole body. laugh.gif
daprofessor
QUOTE (HyyerBlaze @ Jul 24 2013, 11:06 PM) *
Lol dude you are lying to your self.That fight was freaking epic.2nd round was one of the best ive seen since probably JCCjr/Martinez's 12th


no, not really. i can't stand watching rios fights. it's sad. i know that every punch he takes is adding to his brain damage. you can hear it in the way he speaks. he sends the wrong message to young boxers out there who try to emulate his crude style of boxing. i honestly pray for the guy.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jul 25 2013, 12:27 PM) *
You and I both know Floyd was robbed during the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta.

Rigondeaux I knew was the truth when I first saw him The guy is amazing, smart technical and all around great fighter. I hope he leaves HBO and that fuck Arum. He needs to be on Showtime. He will have a better chance plus Mares and Rigondeaux can happen if he jumps ship and weight. This guy has a future and too be honest I want to see him fight three times a year. No one is fucking with this guy anytime soon.

Pacquiao!


agreed.
Jack 1000
There is a good question,

How come HBO has a problem with Rigo's style of boxing, but not Andre Ward, who fights in a similar way? Oh yea, thanks for the link from Doghouse Boxing with Jason's own piece about commentary pom-pom shaking! Lamply is the main crux of all that shit! Here's the link if you haven't read this:

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Jason/Petock-072013-New.htm

Jack
daprofessor
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jul 25 2013, 03:21 PM) *
There is a good question,

How come HBO has a problem with Rigo's style of boxing, but not Andre Ward, who fights in a similar way? Oh yea, thanks for the link from Doghouse Boxing with Jason's own piece about commentary pom-pom shaking! Lamply is the main crux of all that shit! Here's the link if you haven't read this:

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Jason/Petock-072013-New.htm

Jack


is shimming on their airwaves? was that last fight an hbo ppv of just toprank?
HyyerBlaze
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jul 25 2013, 03:21 PM) *
There is a good question,

How come HBO has a problem with Rigo's style of boxing, but not Andre Ward, who fights in a similar way? Oh yea, thanks for the link from Doghouse Boxing with Jason's own piece about commentary pom-pom shaking! Lamply is the main crux of all that shit! Here's the link if you haven't read this:

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Jason/Petock-072013-New.htm

Jack

My guess is that people expect more action from lighter weight fighters
klonopinz
zou shiming is much worse than rigondeaux if you talk about boring, and ok so the rigo donaire fight had some dull moments, but you cant tell me pacquiao clottey wasnt fuckin boring either, so give rigo another go at it for fucks sake! it was one godamn fight HBO what the fuck? styles make fights you morons! match him with a guy he can KO and i guarantee you he will entertain the shit out of you
checkleft
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jul 25 2013, 02:21 PM) *
There is a good question,

How come HBO has a problem with Rigo's style of boxing, but not Andre Ward, who fights in a similar way? Oh yea, thanks for the link from Doghouse Boxing with Jason's own piece about commentary pom-pom shaking! Lamply is the main crux of all that shit! Here's the link if you haven't read this:

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Jason/Petock-072013-New.htm

Jack

For rigos weight class I think he was A LOT more pop than ward at his own weight class. Even before donaire got schooled his shots just looked so fast and precise, you could hear them. He had nonito on his bike worse in the 12th than rigo at any point in the fight.
Cshel86
Does anybody remember the Rigondeaux/Kennedy fight? Sheesh...how embarrassing. I felt bad for Kennedy that night, lol. I'm sure he felt better about himself, after watching Mike Jones get folded like a decepticon by Randall Bailey that same night. laugh.gif
Franchize
In a perfect world for me, all the pure boxers would be on Showtime and all the brawlers would be on HBO. Then I could satisfy my brief urge for a Gatti/Ward type fight every 6 months and never have to hear Jim Lampley's voice or see those stupid fucking glasses again.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Franchize @ Jul 26 2013, 01:45 PM) *
In a perfect world for me, all the pure boxers would be on Showtime and all the brawlers would be on HBO. Then I could satisfy my brief urge for a Gatti/Ward type fight every 6 months and never have to hear Jim Lampley's voice or see those stupid fucking glasses again.


or if hbo would at least give us the option of watching fights without commentary and just the crowd and ring noise....that would be good too.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Franchize @ Jul 26 2013, 01:45 PM) *
In a perfect world for me, all the pure boxers would be on Showtime and all the brawlers would be on HBO. Then I could satisfy my brief urge for a Gatti/Ward type fight every 6 months and never have to hear Jim Lampley's voice or see those stupid fucking glasses again.

laugh.gif

I HATE those glasses!
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