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klonopinz
OK. so we have Bradley vs Marquez, Pacquiao vs Rios, and Provodnikov vs Alvarado. Depending on how these 3 fights go, we are left with quite a bit of mix and macthing that can be done, Lets here some of your guys fantasy outcomes and what we would like to see happen in any circumstance.

I would love to see this happen,

Pacquiao > Rios
Bradley > Marquez
Alvarado > Provodnikov


So then,

Pacquiao > Bradley
Marquez > Alvarado
Provodnikov > Rios(i could see this being the next ward/gatti)

So then

Pacquiao vs Marquez 5
Bradley vs Provodnikov 2
Rios vs Alvarado 2

Anyway, they make some sick ass match ups, and a posibilty for a shitload of double and triple headers
daprofessor
i can't imagine a scenario where rios, alvarado or pac come out on top. prodnikov takes a lot of shots...but he seems to be less shop worn. the winner of bradley/marquez is the best of them all.
Plah
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 14 2013, 09:49 PM) *
i can't imagine a scenario where rios, alvarado or pac come out on top. prodnikov takes a lot of shots...but he seems to be less shop worn. the winner of bradley/marquez is the best of them all.

I agree, JMM and Bradley beat the rest.
Cshel86
Sorry, but I dont see JMM beating most of these guys. I can see him possibly edging Bradley, but I dont think he can stick with Rios, Provodnikov, or Alvarado at this stage...these are BIG 140 fighters. Any and everybody that Marquez has fought (post 135), was pretty much tailor made for him (Pac, Fedchenko, that diver Ramos, and now Bradley (somewhat)).

I'm not saying that Bradley will look terrible against JMM, but he has a style and juuuuust enough punching power to make it a war and have JMM looking good in certain parts of the fight. At this age, JMM needs those types of fights, not the Rios, Alvarado, or Provodnikov-type fighters of the world.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jul 15 2013, 01:16 PM) *
Sorry, but I dont see JMM beating most of these guys. I can see him possibly edging Bradley, but I dont think he can stick with Rios, Provodnikov, or Alvarado at this stage...these are BIG 140 fighters. Any and everybody that Marquez has fought (post 135), was pretty much tailor made for him (Pac, Fedchenko, that diver Ramos, and now Bradley (somewhat)).

I'm not saying that Bradley will look terrible against JMM, but he has a style and juuuuust enough punching power to make it a war and have JMM looking good in certain parts of the fight. At this age, JMM needs those types of fights, not the Rios, Alvarado, or Provodnikov-type fighters of the world.


rios, alvarado and provodnikov are tailor made for jmm.
leonthegee
Why would Provo even be in the tournament? 3 fights at 140 would ruin his career. I don't see him being anything other than target practice for everybody else in the tournament. Now if you make it 147 Bradley probably beats everyone on that list.
bnoles4life
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jul 15 2013, 01:16 PM) *
Sorry, but I dont see JMM beating most of these guys. I can see him possibly edging Bradley, but I dont think he can stick with Rios, Provodnikov, or Alvarado at this stage...these are BIG 140 fighters. Any and everybody that Marquez has fought (post 135), was pretty much tailor made for him (Pac, Fedchenko, that diver Ramos, and now Bradley (somewhat)).

I'm not saying that Bradley will look terrible against JMM, but he has a style and juuuuust enough punching power to make it a war and have JMM looking good in certain parts of the fight. At this age, JMM needs those types of fights, not the Rios, Alvarado, or Provodnikov-type fighters of the world.


Rios-- JMM turns him and counters him 'til YOU get tired of watching it. JMM all day in that one.

Provodnikov-- I like JMM in this one. Provodnikov, like Rios, refuses to avoid punches. Counter, counter, counter.

Alvarado-- w/ the exception for banging, JMM does everything better than Alvarado.

IMO, Provodnikov is the biggest "wild card", but not as "wild" as he was w/ The World Headbutting Champion
klonopinz
i meant this as a 147 tournament because thats where everyone is at or heading to.
leonthegee
QUOTE (klonopinz @ Jul 16 2013, 01:26 PM) *
i meant this as a 147 tournament because thats where everyone is at or heading to.

Alvarado vs Provo is going to be at 140. And in Denver of all places.
mrchitown
QUOTE (leonthegee @ Jul 15 2013, 02:32 PM) *
Why would Provo even be in the tournament? 3 fights at 140 would ruin his career. I don't see him being anything other than target practice for everybody else in the tournament. Now if you make it 147 Bradley probably beats everyone on that list.


I agree, them vs TB at welter would be very beneficial for him.
klonopinz
i think alvarado might stay at 140 no matter what becuz if marquez wins against bradley, hes the new wbo 147, and he vacates the wbo 140. if marquez loses, he fights alvarado for the 140 wbo cuz alvarado is the interim 140 champ.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 15 2013, 03:00 PM) *
rios, alvarado and provodnikov are tailor made for jmm.

I wish I could agree, but there are weight classes for a reason. Again, JMM has fought guys his size, since moving up from 135 (with the exception of Floyd). He is a small guy, and I believe that Rios, Alvarado, and Provodnikov are too big for him. I know that size doesn't matter in most cases in boxing, but it will be a stretch for JMM to truly compete with these dudes at this advanced age.

QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Jul 15 2013, 08:07 PM) *
Rios-- JMM turns him and counters him 'til YOU get tired of watching it. JMM all day in that one.

Provodnikov-- I like JMM in this one. Provodnikov, like Rios, refuses to avoid punches. Counter, counter, counter.

Alvarado-- w/ the exception for banging, JMM does everything better than Alvarado.

IMO, Provodnikov is the biggest "wild card", but not as "wild" as he was w/ The World Headbutting Champion

Are we talking about these fights happening at 140 or 147? At 140, maybe, but none of these at 147. Can you see him banging against these guys, or are we talking strictly counterpunching?
daprofessor
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jul 18 2013, 10:52 AM) *
I wish I could agree, but there are weight classes for a reason. Again, JMM has fought guys his size, since moving up from 135 (with the exception of Floyd). He is a small guy, and I believe that Rios, Alvarado, and Provodnikov are too big for him. I know that size doesn't matter in most cases in boxing, but it will be a stretch for JMM to truly compete with these dudes at this advanced age.


Are we talking about these fights happening at 140 or 147? At 140, maybe, but none of these at 147. Can you see him banging against these guys, or are we talking strictly counterpunching?


marquez is still fast...still capable of placing well timed shots....rios and alvarado have beat the shit out of each other twice. alvarado seems to get hurt very easily these days. didn't rios hurt him with a jab? marquez ktfo's him easily. he's too flawed and easy to hit. that spells disaster. same can be said for rios. his punches are predictable than a muhfucka and i can see jmm chaining together a very nice combo to put him to sleep as well. provodnikov would probably be a little more difficult, but we can't forget...jmm can box and if you recall...timmeh was having a very easy time with him when he boxed. he didn't look bigger than timmeh to me. i stand by my original statement...also jmm has grown into the weight nicely.
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