QUOTE (jazz @ Jul 23 2013, 04:16 PM)
If GGG beats Murray, and then Martinez and Quillin refuse to fight GGG for whatever reason, then I would say that GGG deserves to be considered the best at middleweight. Beating Murray would be a feather in GGG's cap, but all it proves is that he is capable of beating a guy that Martinez beat. Whether he defeats him by knockout or decision proves nothing. I personally am not sold on GGG. His comment about being willing to go down immediately to 154 to fight Mayweather or Alvarez, but needing t wait two years to move up to fight Andre Ward didn't help my opinion. I think GGG is a good fighter, but I don't believe he has been tested yet. I also don't believe that Quillin has been tested yet and I believe that Martinez is past his prime and may not be able to beat GGG because of that. Either way, GGG needs to step in the ring with Martinez or Qulllin to demonstrate that he is worthy of being called the best in the division.
If GGG beats Murray, and Martinez and Quillen find other opponents, then GGG simply beat Murray, that's it. I'm not sure where the whole "if (insert fighter's name) is being avoided/ducked, then he's the best in the division" theory is coming from. It's simply a conclusion made out of frustration.
I mean, even that avoided/ducked fighter should just be real with themselves, and realize that they may not be that big ticket just yet, if ever. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're the best in the division. If a fighter has to go with what fickle boxing "fans" are saying, then they really need to look in the mirror.
I'm a bit lost in your point, but hell, you do make some great points. As for GGG's statement about moving down to 54 to face Mayweather, Alvarez, etc (translation: money fights), but having to wait to move up to fight Ward, is crazy. I thought I remember him saying that he'd fight anybody from 54 to 68, but he and Ward having been jawing at each other lately, so I'm sure I missed something. Lol
Just as GGG is guilty of that, the same can be said about Martinez as of a year or two ago. He was jawing about going down to 54 to face Mayweather, or 150 to face Pacquiao, but when Kirkland's name was mentioned, he said that James had to come up to 160. His promoter was yapping about him (Sergio) being a solid MW, but Martinez himself couldn't really decide as to whether or not he was a Jr. MW or a MW...money tends to scramble brains though. Lol
My question to you is...where would you rank GGG, if he beats a "past prime" prime Martinez, or an "untested" Quillen? It seems like you're saying that either these guys are just ripe for picking, or a victory over them does nothing for GGG's career. In the same breath, you said that GGG would be considered the "best in the division" if he beats either two of them. Hmm...