QUOTE (Thebruntje @ Jul 30 2013, 04:04 PM)
I think you should stop overrating the old school guys and apply the same standaards you apply on today's fighters! Duran was a very undisciplined guy, always going up and down in weight, and to be honest he lost most of his big fights just like De la Hoya!! Duran quit against Leonard in their second fight, got brutally knocked out by Hearns, lost decisions against Benitez and Hagler! People shit on Floyd all the time for having retired and fighting once a year, but at the same time they praise Ray Leonard while he retired way more than Floyd, only had 36 fights, ducked Aaron Pryor and admitted he only wanted to fight Hagler after he realised Hagler had lost a step in the Mugabi fight !!! Hagler was a great dominant champion but at the same time people forget he never moved up in weight and his biggest victories were against guys that were naturally smaller than him! When did Hagler fight a guy that would outweigh by 15 to 20 ibs on fight? Never!! Yet people keep shitting on Floyd for supposedly not challenging himself ! Pure hypocrisy!!!
So according to you had Floyd fought Cotto before the first Margarito fight, that would have been his " Duran" but at the same time you say Pac is nothing like Duran! In my humble opinion even with his technical flaws there is no doubt in my mind that Pac is a better fighter than Cotto! Are seriously comparing Hearns to Paul Williams??? Well i think you're contradicting yourself again because besides height Paul Williams and Hearns are two completely different fighters, Paul Williams was just a very tall guy for a welterweight, a volume puncher that would punches in bunches but at the same time would get caught a thousand times with the same punch !! Just ask Martinez LMAO !! Martinez was throwing the straight left all night in their first fight, in their second fights he keeps doing the same and Paul Williams still wasn't able to adjust ! Now you want me to believe he would have the equivalent of a Thomas Hearns? Absolutely not! Let's not forget Hearns himself had his flaws as well ! Hearns was a good boxer with a lethal right hand but if it wasn't for his big size advantage at welterweight he wouldn't have as dominant as he was!! Once he moved up in weight he got knocked out by a limited fighter like Barkley!
People should stop romanticizing the past era and realise that boxing just like every other sport has evolved!
i'm not suggesting they were the equivalents. i'm saying that he had undefeated opposition that he could have faced to stake his claim at greatness...or to at least be in the conversation with the fab 4.
you obviously weren't around to witness what is arguably one of the best eras in the history of boxing, otherwise you wouldn't be spewing this nonsense.
but again....i challenge you and everyone else here....who has floyd beaten that is remotely close to any of the fab 4?
golovkin is no hagler. martinez isn't either. floyd would NEVER fight anyone like either of them.
listen...if i go to a local grade school and beat the shit out of all the little kids there....no one is going to sing my praises. same thing applies here. floyds got some good wins throughout his career. he's done what he's supposed to against the opposition that he chose to face. he's never taken on an opponent that no one gave him a chance to beat. great fighters accomplish the impossible.
duran dominated at lightweight for almost 10yrs before he jumped two weight classes to beat leonard. he also won titles at 154 and 160. he contended at 168. he is the best of my lifetime.
hagler dominated at 160 and beat some real killers. his loss to leonard was a respectable one.
hearns started at 147 and won titles in 6 different weight divisions. there were no bullshit catchweights involved like pac's smoke and mirrors career.
leonard beat benitez, duran, hearns and hagler. sure his career was short....but he gets a pass with opposition like that. there's no way in hell floyd gets through those 5 without a loss.
back in those days...fighters did NOT make bullshit excuses not to face each other. making a comment like "take the tests" would have got you laughed out of the ring. making a comment like "i have to think about my health...blah,blah,blah" also wouldn't have gone over well. don't get me wrong....i think floyd is an excellent fighter. he's definitely the best of his era or at least the last 20 yrs....but he's NOT on the level of the fab 4. you could make the case that he's not on the level of julio cesar chavez or pernell whitaker.
floyd has 4 fights to seal his legacy after canelo. let's be honest....canelo is NOT on floyds level. anyone who knows anything about boxing will tell you the kid is not going to beat floyd. if he does happen to beat floyd...then it's further proof of what i'm saying....floyd doesn't measure up. this isn't hate. it's truth.