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Kratza
Recently he's coming under fire for apparently trying to avoid USADA testing since they don't test outside of the US. Personally I think it's a smart move by Lucas because now he is able to avoid the mind games that Danny and Angel present, I don't believe he is taking PEDs because he surely would have been caught out by now and blasted all over the media. Another point is, his fight is not getting the media attention or exposure it would've got with the press tour although it may not be needed because the main event is so large in itself it is still an important factor
mgrover
Berto managed to hide it long enough...
Kratza
QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 6 2013, 10:42 PM) *
Berto managed to hide it long enough...

True but surely if the cancellation interfered with the testing it would go against the terms of the contract
leonthegee
QUOTE (Kratza @ Aug 6 2013, 02:42 PM) *
Recently he's coming under fire for apparently trying to avoid USADA testing since they don't test outside of the US. Personally I think it's a smart move by Lucas because now he is able to avoid the mind games that Danny and Angel present, I don't believe he is taking PEDs because he surely would have been caught out by now and blasted all over the media. Another point is, his fight is not getting the media attention or exposure it would've got with the press tour although it may not be needed because the main event is so large in itself it is still an important factor


You think its a smart move? Lucas gets his first big fight and he avoids the press conference? This is prize fighting and selling the fight is a big part of it. These guys cry for the big fights with the big purses. The cancellation is costing GBP money. If I were Shaefer id take it out of his purse to teach him a lesson. Then Id put him back on ShoEx against the bums he used to fight. This dude aint about building up his name so he can go back to table scraps. Hes not willing to sacrifice for the company.
Cshel86
QUOTE (leonthegee @ Aug 6 2013, 08:24 PM) *
You think its a smart move? Lucas gets his first big fight and he avoids the press conference? This is prize fighting and selling the fight is a big part of it. These guys cry for the big fights with the big purses. The cancellation is costing GBP money. If I were Shaefer id take it out of his purse to teach him a lesson. Then Id put him back on ShoEx against the bums he used to fight. This dude aint about building up his name so he can go back to table scraps. Hes not willing to sacrifice for the company.

Cant argue with this...
mrchitown
We will see in september if it was a smart move, all I know is he better be in serious training to just blown off the press conference. The move was bold and seemed to get under Danny's skin a bit and he usually is quite the reserved guy in most situations
checkleft
The way I see Lucas isn't loud like garcias camp, he isn't gonna say anything to get more attention then he already has, all this tour would have done is interrupted his camp put him in the presence of dannys dads talk and make a spectacle of him in hostile Puerto Rico.
leonthegee
QUOTE (checkleft @ Aug 6 2013, 09:19 PM) *
The way I see Lucas isn't loud like garcias camp, he isn't gonna say anything to get more attention then he already has, all this tour would have done is interrupted his camp put him in the presence of dannys dads talk and make a spectacle of him in hostile Puerto Rico.


So Lucas doesnt have to do his part? Then why is he in the fight if hes not willing to help sell it?
Cshel86
For all the people saying that this fight has been sold and already promoted...bullcrap. Didn't Canelo have his own separate press tours for those Mayweather cards that he fought on? Wonder why? Duh...there's a completely different market out here for him...like those Mexican cable companies and so on.

Of course Floyd and Canelo have been to 10 of 11 cities to promote this card, but they haven't been to PR...that's exactly where Garcia and Matthysse were supposed to be. I'm sure there's a market in PR for Danny, or at least this would've been a step in the right direction, especially for those over who may have somewhat been on the fence about ordering this fight.

So NO, this fight has NOT reached it's full potential for promotion, especially if PR was thrown in there as part of the tour. Some of yall are so excited at the fact that Mayweather/Canelo is happening, that you're forgetting that there are other fights on the card. Oh yeah, that's right, only REAL boxing fans watch the whole card anyway...what was I thinking?

Guys are making excuses for Matthysse, which I find a bit on the disgusting side. Think about it, how to do fighters get HUGE paydays? Oh that's right, the world has to know/care about who they are. If I'm not mistaken, hasn't Matthysse's stans been crying about him getting this big fight?

Had it not been for the public's outrage, no one would even care about this fight happening in the first place. I just look at it as a slap in the face from Lucas. I mean shit, if he only cared about "training" and "fighting", then yes, his ass needs to be fighting some bum on ShoExtreme, so people can either miss or overlook his fight, and wait for the main card to air.

I like Matthysse, don't get me wrong, but dude is in serious foul trouble with me. First he got sick and pulled out of the Morales fight, which was again, on another big PPV card (Star Power), he whines and complains about not getting big fights and title shots, and NOW, on the BIGGEST card of the year, he opts out of the press tour?! Shouldn't he have been training way before the fight even got signed? It's not like they haven't been discussing the fight for the past couple of months. I just don't understand these quiet guys who cry about not getting big paydays or title shots (read: big paydays).
bnoles4life
Believe me, this fight doesn't have to be sold......the headliner is already selling it. Plus, no matter how many MORE PPVs they get, these two aren't getting ANY of the add'l gate or PPV sales. I'm thinking that Lucas' camp knows this and rather than argue that sh*t out in Spanish over X amount of countries and/or cities, they opted stay in that gym, in prep to be victories Sept. 14th.
checkleft
QUOTE (leonthegee @ Aug 7 2013, 09:38 AM) *
So Lucas doesnt have to do his part? Then why is he in the fight if hes not willing to help sell it?

He is on a Mayweather Canelo undercard. The shit is gonna sell itself, plus him staying in the gym and getting a W will give him more publicity than him showing up to a press tour that no one really cares for.

Tell me why weren't all these people bitching when the Garcia camp kept Judah out of the press conferences because they were "scared for their safety". Gtfoh, talk about a double standard
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Aug 7 2013, 01:27 PM) *
He is on a Mayweather Canelo undercard. The shit is gonna sell itself, plus him staying in the gym and getting a W will give him more publicity than him showing up to a press tour that no one really cares for.

Tell me why weren't all these people bitching when the Garcia camp kept Judah out of the press conferences because they were "scared for their safety". Gtfoh, talk about a double standard


that was gbp that did that. zab went in on dlh.
leonthegee
QUOTE (checkleft @ Aug 7 2013, 09:27 AM) *
He is on a Mayweather Canelo undercard. The shit is gonna sell itself, plus him staying in the gym and getting a W will give him more publicity than him showing up to a press tour that no one really cares for.

Tell me why weren't all these people bitching when the Garcia camp kept Judah out of the press conferences because they were "scared for their safety". Gtfoh, talk about a double standard


You crack me up. I bet after the fight your gonna say the numbers were only high because Matthysse vs Garcia was on the undercard. And people wonder why guys like PWill, Margarito, Rigo (before the Nonito fight), Matthysse (obviously before this fight), and others get passed up for other big names. Selling the fight is part of it. A huge part of it. We are still over a month out and fans wanted to see these two size each other up. Get the hype going for the next month. And watch you will be mad when Floyd low-balls Lucas during their negotiations, assuming Lucas gets passed Danny. Which isn't a guarantee.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 7 2013, 01:12 PM) *
that was gbp that did that. zab went in on dlh.

His dad admitted to being concerned for his sons safety supposedly. Their camp is on a BS diet
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Aug 7 2013, 07:20 PM) *
His dad admitted to being concerned for his sons safety supposedly. Their camp is on a BS diet



in regards to p.e.d testing...i get that.
checkleft
QUOTE (leonthegee @ Aug 7 2013, 06:19 PM) *
You crack me up. I bet after the fight your gonna say the numbers were only high because Matthysse vs Garcia was on the undercard. And people wonder why guys like PWill, Margarito, Rigo (before the Nonito fight), Matthysse (obviously before this fight), and others get passed up for other big names. Selling the fight is part of it. A huge part of it. We are still over a month out and fans wanted to see these two size each other up. Get the hype going for the next month. And watch you will be mad when Floyd low-balls Lucas during their negotiations, assuming Lucas gets passed Danny. Which isn't a guarantee.

Lmao how much do you wanna bet bra? Pm me the amount, ill take your money. Only hardcore fans know Danny vs Lucas is a bad ass match up, the rest are just tuning in to see if mayweather will lose. This press conference shit wouldn't have done anything for them, Danny only does DECENT numbers on stacked cards with nothing but Brooklyn fighters in BROOKLYN. Gtfoh

I wouldn't blame Floyd for passing on Lucas OR DANNY. Neither guy deserves the fight, and Floyd can low ball either guy if he wants he owns the discussion at WW and Jr. MW.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Aug 8 2013, 06:11 PM) *
Lmao how much do you wanna bet bra? Pm me the amount, ill take your money. Only hardcore fans know Danny vs Lucas is a bad ass match up, the rest are just tuning in to see if mayweather will lose. This press conference shit wouldn't have done anything for them, Danny only does DECENT numbers on stacked cards with nothing but Brooklyn fighters in BROOKLYN. Gtfoh

I wouldn't blame Floyd for passing on Lucas OR DANNY. Neither guy deserves the fight, and Floyd can low ball either guy if he wants he owns the discussion at WW and Jr. MW.


the best 2 fighters at 140 fighting each other to determine who's best don't deserve a shot at floyd??? who, in your opinion, is more deserving than the winner of that match?
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 8 2013, 06:49 PM) *
the best 2 fighters at 140 fighting each other to determine who's best don't deserve a shot at floyd??? who, in your opinion, is more deserving than the winner of that match?

Yea they are the best at 140 but who knows how they fare at 147 with the difference in weight stronger punchers ect. There is a lack of opponents but there is still martinez, after that its a free for all but mayweather would still be in the driver seat. And depending on how the canelo fight goes there may be a rematch
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Aug 8 2013, 08:18 PM) *
Yea they are the best at 140 but who knows how they fare at 147 with the difference in weight stronger punchers ect. There is a lack of opponents but there is still martinez, after that its a free for all but mayweather would still be in the driver seat. And depending on how the canelo fight goes there may be a rematch



i think the winner of this fight is a front runner to face floyd. who at 147 (besides jmm who doesn't want a rematch) has a better win than a win over matthysse or garcia? i think we can give up on hopes of floyd facing anyone at 160. i wouldn't mind him seeing face one of the other belt holders at 154...but that's highly unlikely. we know pac ain't fighting him. who else is there?
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 8 2013, 07:39 PM) *
i think the winner of this fight is a front runner to face floyd. who at 147 (besides jmm who doesn't want a rematch) has a better win than a win over matthysse or garcia? i think we can give up on hopes of floyd facing anyone at 160. i wouldn't mind him seeing face one of the other belt holders at 154...but that's highly unlikely. we know pac ain't fighting him. who else is there?

I'm pretty sure if martinez got a shot he wouldn't mind (even killing himself) going down to 154. But let's be real neither guy has faced anybody on floyds level, they both had trouble with Judah.
Col Reb
I think it was really stupid of Matthysse to pull this stunt. Golden Boy can just deny him a Floyd fight even if he wins (or lower his share of that purse) with justification because they can say they won't think he can hold up the B side of that big of a promotion.
aTYpicalTYrant
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Aug 7 2013, 11:02 AM) *
For all the people saying that this fight has been sold and already promoted...bullcrap. Didn't Canelo have his own separate press tours for those Mayweather cards that he fought on? Wonder why? Duh...there's a completely different market out here for him...like those Mexican cable companies and so on.

Of course Floyd and Canelo have been to 10 of 11 cities to promote this card, but they haven't been to PR...that's exactly where Garcia and Matthysse were supposed to be. I'm sure there's a market in PR for Danny, or at least this would've been a step in the right direction, especially for those over who may have somewhat been on the fence about ordering this fight.

So NO, this fight has NOT reached it's full potential for promotion, especially if PR was thrown in there as part of the tour. Some of yall are so excited at the fact that Mayweather/Canelo is happening, that you're forgetting that there are other fights on the card. Oh yeah, that's right, only REAL boxing fans watch the whole card anyway...what was I thinking?

Guys are making excuses for Matthysse, which I find a bit on the disgusting side. Think about it, how to do fighters get HUGE paydays? Oh that's right, the world has to know/care about who they are. If I'm not mistaken, hasn't Matthysse's stans been crying about him getting this big fight?

Had it not been for the public's outrage, no one would even care about this fight happening in the first place. I just look at it as a slap in the face from Lucas. I mean shit, if he only cared about "training" and "fighting", then yes, his ass needs to be fighting some bum on ShoExtreme, so people can either miss or overlook his fight, and wait for the main card to air.

I like Matthysse, don't get me wrong, but dude is in serious foul trouble with me. First he got sick and pulled out of the Morales fight, which was again, on another big PPV card (Star Power), he whines and complains about not getting big fights and title shots, and NOW, on the BIGGEST card of the year, he opts out of the press tour?! Shouldn't he have been training way before the fight even got signed? It's not like they haven't been discussing the fight for the past couple of months. I just don't understand these quiet guys who cry about not getting big paydays or title shots (read: big paydays).



^ALL OF THIS! Be prepared to cut and paste this in a few months.... Folks memory are gonna be mighTY short if Lucas gets shafted.
Hotsauce
The fuck going on
Dolimite
Matthysse would be stupid to stop training to do a press tour with a month out from the fight. This fight is already sold out and the PPV will be insane. Danny should be focusing on training and not worry about a press tour. Plus Matthysse would have to travel from Argentina, to PR, PA, and CA. Those are some miles, plus none of those cities are pro Argentine. Good choice on Matthysse's part, can't hate. Plus he doesn't have to hear Angel's mouth (good for him but sucks for us). They can talk shit and do all that shit during the final presser and weigh ins.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Aug 10 2013, 07:28 PM) *
Matthysse would be stupid to stop training to do a press tour with a month out from the fight. This fight is already sold out and the PPV will be insane. Danny should be focusing on training and not worry about a press tour. Plus Matthysse would have to travel from Argentina, to PR, PA, and CA. Those are some miles, plus none of those cities are pro Argentine. Good choice on Matthysse's part, can't hate. Plus he doesn't have to hear Angel's mouth (good for him but sucks for us). They can talk shit and do all that shit during the final presser and weigh ins.


i'm looking forward to another brilliant performance from angel at the presser. he just has a way of getting under ppls skin. it's a true talent! laugh.gif
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