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daprofessor
just curious to see what you guys think. i believe these 2 guys are the premier heavyweights in the u.s. the other guys are still on the come up. i don't think jennings, mitchell or arreolla stand a chance against either.
mrchitown
Wilder is better, and he will win. Only chance I see for Ruiz to beat him is to out work him, but that's something that could very well happen. But I think Wilder is to on physically gifted and just a better overall talent then Ruiz.
The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 13 2013, 06:22 PM) *
just curious to see what you guys think. i believe these 2 guys are the premier heavyweights in the u.s. the other guys are still on the come up. i don't think jennings, mitchell or arreolla stand a chance against either.



I like Andy Ruiz too. Size matters and can overcome skill deficiency apparently. i think the Big Scooby Doo wins by KO because he can simply get there faster and from greater range then most fighters. the only one that will challenge Wilder will be Klit. Klit used Wilder as a sparring partner, so I dont know how he feels about facing him in the ring. That in itself may have been a calculated move by Klit...
flazi
hopefully this fight won't happen till they both are wearing belts. for the time being i have to go with ruiz cause he is so damn sneaky. if he makes it out the first 4 rounds then he wins. Wilder is gifted though, damn, ruiz will have his chin tested.
daprofessor
the problem facing wilder is getting out the first few rounds and closing distance all while avoiding that big right hand. ruiz does seem to have decent defense....and he'll keep coming. i agree...i wanna see this when both guys have straps. it'll be more meaningful and the money will be there for both.

i think wilder beats both klits. anytime they got in with an aggressive fighter who brought the fight to them...they lose. problem is...most heavyweights are not aggressive and they don't have the speed, length or power that DW possesses. they quit before they ever step foot in the ring with the klits.
mrchitown
Big George says he only sees hope when he looks at Wilder but he thinks Ruiz will be champ in less than 2yrs. In Love George but I wonder how much of this is because he be calling them TR cards now
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Aug 14 2013, 09:03 PM) *
Big George says he only sees hope when he looks at Wilder but he thinks Ruiz will be champ in less than 2yrs. In Love George but I wonder how much of this is because he be calling them TR cards now


i can see ruiz being champ in less than 2 yrs. he's a well rounded fighter. pun intended. laugh.gif
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 14 2013, 09:37 PM) *
i can see ruiz being champ in less than 2 yrs. he's a well rounded fighter. pun intended. laugh.gif


Nice punch line lol

Who can he beat? I can see it too depending on who he faces for a title
ROME
I just can't see this guy going beyond Chris Areola's level. IMO this kid is actually Chris Areola lite lol
He's got some quickness and some punching power but that's about it. He's seemingly so easy to hit that I think he'll be one of those heavyweights that, IF he reaches championship level, comes forward and takes an enormous amount of punishment and just keeps coming until the fight is eventually stopped; much like Areola. If he's in that kind of shape now while he's young, I'm quite certain it won't get any easier to get in better shape as he gets older. The other thing is the 74" reach. I believe that's the same as Shane Mosley's; relatively short for a heavyweight. This kid is no Mike Tyson so it's not like he has incredible foot speed to compensate for his lack of reach. As he moves up in rank, this will likely be a problem. I feel he's destined to have a Samuel Peter-type career.
pacco_diablo
QUOTE (ROME @ Aug 15 2013, 01:51 AM) *
I just can't see this guy going beyond Chris Areola's level. IMO this kid is actually Chris Areola lite lol
He's got some quickness and some punching power but that's about it. He's seemingly so easy to hit that I think he'll be one of those heavyweights that, IF he reaches championship level, comes forward and takes an enormous amount of punishment and just keeps coming until the fight is eventually stopped; much like Areola. If he's in that kind of shape now while he's young, I'm quite certain it won't get any easier to get in better shape as he gets older. The other thing is the 74" reach. I believe that's the same as Shane Mosley's; relatively short for a heavyweight. This kid is no Mike Tyson so it's not like he has incredible foot speed to compensate for his lack of reach. As he moves up in rank, this will likely be a problem. I feel he's destined to have a Samuel Peter-type career.


Couldnt agree more! I see an Areola clone.
flazi
arreola had/has the potential and the heart and skills to be champ, he just is lacking the work ethic between camps. once he figures that out, if he figures that out, he could be champ.
daprofessor
QUOTE (ROME @ Aug 15 2013, 12:51 AM) *
I just can't see this guy going beyond Chris Areola's level. IMO this kid is actually Chris Areola lite lol
He's got some quickness and some punching power but that's about it. He's seemingly so easy to hit that I think he'll be one of those heavyweights that, IF he reaches championship level, comes forward and takes an enormous amount of punishment and just keeps coming until the fight is eventually stopped; much like Areola. If he's in that kind of shape now while he's young, I'm quite certain it won't get any easier to get in better shape as he gets older. The other thing is the 74" reach. I believe that's the same as Shane Mosley's; relatively short for a heavyweight. This kid is no Mike Tyson so it's not like he has incredible foot speed to compensate for his lack of reach. As he moves up in rank, this will likely be a problem. I feel he's destined to have a Samuel Peter-type career.


aside from being chubby and mexican...there is nothing similar in ruiz and arreolla. arreolla was a guy who used to box as a kid, took a long break and came back to the sport at a late age. ruiz has been boxing since he was a kid and has a pretty solid amateur background. he has better hand and foot speed, better defense, better punch selection and more pop in his shots than arreolla. he's not a one trick pony....and contrary to his appearance, this kid can fight and take his punch with him well into the late rounds. sam peter was slow and relied on his big punching and didn't have half the skill that ruiz has. his reach or lack thereof hasn't been an issue yet...and i can't see it being one in the future because this kid knows how to close distance properly and doesn't eat flush shots to the face the way arreolla does to get in there. i'd go so far as to say that if ruiz fought either klitschko today....he's got an actual shot at beating them. arreolla never had a chance imo. he's lazy and doesn't know how to make the adjustments.
daprofessor
QUOTE (flazi @ Aug 15 2013, 12:07 PM) *
arreola had/has the potential and the heart and skills to be champ, he just is lacking the work ethic between camps. once he figures that out, if he figures that out, he could be champ.


i don't think he does. he doesn't know enough and has not grown as a fighter at all since his loss to klitschko. he's actually gotten worse imo.
flazi
his gym work has laxed and he is not very motivated like he used to be. Ruiz's potential though is through the roof.
ROME
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 15 2013, 04:32 PM) *
aside from being chubby and mexican...there is nothing similar in ruiz and arreolla. arreolla was a guy who used to box as a kid, took a long break and came back to the sport at a late age. ruiz has been boxing since he was a kid and has a pretty solid amateur background. he has better hand and foot speed, better defense, better punch selection and more pop in his shots than arreolla. he's not a one trick pony....and contrary to his appearance, this kid can fight and take his punch with him well into the late rounds. sam peter was slow and relied on his big punching and didn't have half the skill that ruiz has. his reach or lack thereof hasn't been an issue yet...and i can't see it being one in the future because this kid knows how to close distance properly and doesn't eat flush shots to the face the way arreolla does to get in there. i'd go so far as to say that if ruiz fought either klitschko today....he's got an actual shot at beating them. arreolla never had a chance imo. he's lazy and doesn't know how to make the adjustments.


Good points. I'm only going off of the three fights I saw him in; none of which required him to make any noticeable adjustments from what I recall. I still see similarities to Chris Areola; namely his aggressiveness, his combination punching, his inside fighting ability, and his perceived ability to take a punch (though we haven't seen him in there against to big puncher yet). They both have a gritty style of fighting from what I've seen as well. The reason I compare him to Samuel is primarily because they're roughly the same height and weight, both have sturdy chins (Peter earlier in his career), neither has quick feet, but both have decent handspeed; Ruiz being the quicker of the two. Samuel Peter, for his size, had deceptively quick hands and very good power. Now THEY had different fighting styles. I suppose I'll have to see more of this Ruiz kid before I can make a complete and fair assessment, but from what I saw, I'm not any more excited a out him than I was about Ruslan Chagaev or Sultan Ibragimov (or Chris Areola). Joe Hanks was able to find him with flush shots anytime he decided not to be afraid to punch. I'm not sure who that says more about between the two of them as I haven't seen much of either, but as Ruiz seems to be the rising star, we'll have to wait and see how he develops. As for him having a shot at beating the Klitschkos today, barring a punchers chance (which, at heavyweight, is almost every mans chance), I can't see that fight boding well for him at this point in his young career, though I could be wrong.
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