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BrutUalBK
Stiverne Camp frustrated and furious


Photo: Team Stiverne

The latest ruling by the World Boxing Council (WBC), allowing its heavyweight champion, Vitali “Dr. Ironfist” Klitschko (45-2, 41 KOs), to avoid fighting #1 mandatory challenger Bermane “B. Ware” Stiverne (23-1, 20 KOs), has drawn anger from an increasingly frustrated Team Stiverne.

Stiverne has already won not one, but two WBC title eliminators, the latest against Chris Arreola (35-3, 30 KOs) on HBO this past April 27, and three different mandated purse bids have been postponed. Now, the WBC has announced that the 42-year-old Klitschko has suffered an injury to his right hand and he won’t return to the ring until 2014. Plus, the WBC will not make a decision regarding his title situation until the first-quarter of 2014, leaving Stiverne waiting even longer for his much deserved world title shot.

“I would hate to think the WBC treats some fighters more highly than others,” a terribly disappointed Stiverne said. “I don’t understand. (Timothy) Bradley was stripped when he was injured but I’ve read that the WBC would never strip Vitali. Do they have favorites? All fighters should be treated the same. We haven’t heard anything directly from the WBC. The WBC isn’t respecting us or its own rules. I remember when (Oleg) Maskaev was hurt before his fight with (Sam) Peter and Peter was named the WBC Interim champion. This isn’t fair or respectful, and it’s bad for boxing.”

Klitschko hasn’t fought in nearly a year, when he defeated Manuel Charr (TKO4) on September 8, 2013; his last mandatory defense was almost two years ago, on Sept. 10, 2011 against Dereck Chisora (DEC12).

Stiverne’s manager, Camille Estephan, CEO of Eye Of The Tiger Management (EOTTM), believes the WBC should either strip Klitschko of his belt, letting Stiverne fight the highest-ranking, available contender for the vacant WBC title, or name Stiverne as its Interim heavyweight champion.

“Klitschko has been a great champion and ambassador of boxing,” Estephan commented, “but a true world champion has to defend his title in the ring, not keep it because of politics. He won’t fight until 2014 but he should be stripped for not defending his title, or step aside to allow Bermane to fight for the Interim belt. The heavyweight division is the flagship of boxing but, we haven’t had one world heavyweight champion because the Klitschko brothers won’t fight each other, of course, but Vitali not defending his title adds insult to the heavyweight division.

“He hasn’t defended his title in almost a year and now it’ll be much longer if we have to wait for the WBC to even make a decision about the status of its heavyweight title. This is totally unacceptable. The credibility of the sport is at stake. Bermane has done everything required and more to get his world title shot. Two winning title-eliminators, three postponed purse bids, and now this. Why should he continue to be penalized for Vitali not defending his belt? I expect the WBC Board of Governors to do the right thing, now, and immediately. We’ve waited long enough!”


Call it whatever you want but this is a flat out Duck Move and the WBC is not playing fairly, they would've stripped any other fighter but somehow the Klits are something special???

What are your thoughts on this??
BrutUalBK
Even more proof that the Duck is on:

Vitali Klitschko visits Jose Sulaiman in Mexico City

By Gabriel F. Cordero
Photo: Alma Montiel

WBC heavyweight world champion Vitali Klitschko was in Mexico City to meet with WBC President Jose Sulaiman about his mandatory fight. the 42-year-old Klitschko says he hurt his right hand in training and therefore won’t be able to fight Bermaine Stiverne on the date scheduled for his mandatory. Klitschko is hoping that physiotherapy will render surgery unnecessary. The WBC will give Vitali the opportunity to make a full recovery so he can return to the ring in March or April of 2014. Klitschko, who is active politically in his native Ukraine, also stated that he plans to seek the nomination for President of that country in 2015.
DigitalBoom
Klitschko's aren't anything special just came to be in a non-special heavyweight era but come on..stiverne!! Stiverne..he's not finding his way into the inside all night all he'd do is eat jabs all night. Stiverne is a brawler with very little to no technique at all.
mrchitown
I'm not a fan not calling people ducker but whether he is not Stiverne still getting an L on that record when they fight
daprofessor
they did the same thing for Tzyu.
sduck
I wouldn't call this a duck, more like not taking this fight seriously. A duck is when a fighter avoids the fight because they're scared of the fighter or the consequences. Why would the Klitschkos be scared of Stiverne? What does Stiverne bring to the table that either Klitschko hasn't annihilated before?
BoxingStill#1
QUOTE (DigitalBoom @ Aug 14 2013, 07:09 PM) *
Klitschko's aren't anything special just came to be in a non-special heavyweight era but come on..stiverne!! Stiverne..he's not finding his way into the inside all night all he'd do is eat jabs all night. Stiverne is a brawler with very little to no technique at all.


I disagree partially with the first part of that post.

The klitschkos are somewhat special. They have dominated in a not so special era,.. but this goes to show they would be fair game during any era.

mitukczuk
I can't imagine Klitschkos ducking anyone, srsly. These guys are on a different level than the rest of HW division, no need for ducking. I actually rank them pretty high in HW history.

BoxingStill#1 - Agreed 100%.
Cshel86
Im not even sure how I feel about the Klitschkos...its like, they're boring most of the time, but I never manage to miss any of their fights. laugh.gif

If they dont wanna (or dont feel like) fight these guys that are calling them out, then they need to loosen that kung-fu grip that they have on ALL of those HW titles, and let everybody else fight for HW supremacy. Im not sure how that'll work out, because a Klitschko fight, is a MONEY fight, so again, I guess belts dont really matter all that much. Lol
pacco_diablo
I have to agree that the Klitchko's are towards the top of all time great HWs. That being said, it's definitely not a duck, but at the same time it is sort of BS that he get's to hold onto the belts and not fight for 1.5 years. It's also BS that we can't have an undisputed HW champ while they are both still active fighters.

My gut tells me that they are very close to retirement, especially with Wilder starting to build momentum. This is a guy that neither of them wants to face regardless of past sparring sessions. My guess is that they both retire in 2014. In fact, Vitali may have already fought his last fight. Wlad may have two more in him but I've got a feeling that neither one will be against Wilder. Wlad will take out Fury and end his career that way.
checkleft
How is it a duck? I'm pretty sure it clearly says he's injured. Now should he be allowed to keep the title? That's the real question
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (DigitalBoom @ Aug 14 2013, 07:09 PM) *
Klitschko's aren't anything special just came to be in a non-special heavyweight era but come on..stiverne!! Stiverne..he's not finding his way into the inside all night all he'd do is eat jabs all night. Stiverne is a brawler with very little to no technique at all.



WTF?? Obviously you've never seen this kid (Stiverne) fight because if you had then you'd know that dude has all the wrinkles and is an A level boxer and damn near a Master Boxer as far as HW and their skills are concerned.

Here I'll try to help you out, please watch the things that he does in this fight, dude has the skills that pays the bills, he does things that some of the throwback fighters did of yesteryear....lol B Stiverne a Brawler lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQsZCKApPJ8

checkleft
QUOTE (DigitalBoom @ Aug 14 2013, 08:09 PM) *
Klitschko's aren't anything special just came to be in a non-special heavyweight era but come on..stiverne!! Stiverne..he's not finding his way into the inside all night all he'd do is eat jabs all night. Stiverne is a brawler with very little to no technique at all.

Have you ever watched stiverne?
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (sduck @ Aug 14 2013, 07:52 PM) *
I wouldn't call this a duck, more like not taking this fight seriously. A duck is when a fighter avoids the fight because they're scared of the fighter or the consequences. Why would the Klitschkos be scared of Stiverne? What does Stiverne bring to the table that either Klitschko hasn't annihilated before?



Your focus is too narrow-minded on this, first of all you failed to address that Klits has previously ducked Stiverne on this not even citing any type of injury or other valid reason to not have this fight. As far as you believing Stiverne having nothing to threaten Klits with then really there are only 2 things I can say on that subject:

1. Klits isn't the same fighter he once was, he's older, has been injured and is slower than Stiverne
2. Stiverne is younger, faster and more technically sound than most of the fighters that Klits has faced in recent years.

Sure Stiverne hasn't seen the likes of Klits before in the ring but keep in mind all the things I stated above and you can clearly see that Klits knows there is a reason why he has avoided fighting this man twice already.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (checkleft @ Aug 15 2013, 06:05 PM) *
Have you ever watched stiverne?



It's evident that he hasn't because no one I know will call Stiverne a Brawler.
Cheesey1
To me, he's ducking Stiverne.

Stiverne looked easily as good and actually better than Arreola when he recently beat up Arreola. If Klitschko couldn't stop Chisora, he's going to have his hands full with a young guy like Bermane who showed he can take a punch in his last bout. Also, Klitschko and Stiverne both fought Arreola and did about the same amount of damage to him. Of course Arreola's a bit older now, but it's an interesting fact anyway.
checkleft
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 15 2013, 11:10 PM) *
Your focus is too narrow-minded on this, first of all you failed to address that Klits has previously ducked Stiverne on this not even citing any type of injury or other valid reason to not have this fight. As far as you believing Stiverne having nothing to threaten Klits with then really there are only 2 things I can say on that subject:

1. Klits isn't the same fighter he once was, he's older, has been injured and is slower than Stiverne
2. Stiverne is younger, faster and more technically sound than most of the fighters that Klits has faced in recent years.

Sure Stiverne hasn't seen the likes of Klits before in the ring but keep in mind all the things I stated above and you can clearly see that Klits knows there is a reason why he has avoided fighting this man twice already.

They have cited a hand injury.

The only problem I have with this is him being able to keep the belt, if he can't defend it he should drop the belt and let stiverne fight someone else for it. It's still not ducking though, stiverne has only fought arreola. Him and adamek would be good
wolterb
QUOTE (checkleft @ Aug 16 2013, 12:34 AM) *
They have cited a hand injury.

The only problem I have with this is him being able to keep the belt, if he can't defend it he should drop the belt and let stiverne fight someone else for it. It's still not ducking though, stiverne has only fought arreola. Him and adamek would be good


Agree one hundr-o with you. Its not like Vitali is the only guy with a belt either
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (checkleft @ Aug 16 2013, 12:34 AM) *
They have cited a hand injury.

The only problem I have with this is him being able to keep the belt, if he can't defend it he should drop the belt and let stiverne fight someone else for it. It's still not ducking though, stiverne has only fought arreola. Him and adamek would be good



Yeah they cited the hand injury for this time but what were his excuses for not making it happen the last 2 times?? I agree he should not get to keep the belt and I find it awfully strange that he appeared at Suliman's house to give him a present just at the time they had to make a decision on whether or not he gets to keep his belt.

I still haven't seen any reasons why Klits did not fight/face Stiverne in the previous outings but everyone readily defends Klits now he's citing a "hand injury" for this bout now.

I know that Stiverne hasn't fought anyone other than Arreola but he beat him so decisively that it is easy to see that there will be many of HWs who will flat out duck him and I happen to believe that Klits is doing just that despite his record of beating anyone and everyone they put in front of him.

Klit has slowed down and is getting up there in age, Stiverne is fresh, fast, can take a good shot, has great defense and moves/punches at angles-dude is a serious threat for any HW and I'm hoping he gets a shots before Klit retires.
checkleft
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 16 2013, 06:33 PM) *
Yeah they cited the hand injury for this time but what were his excuses for not making it happen the last 2 times?? I agree he should not get to keep the belt and I find it awfully strange that he appeared at Suliman's house to give him a present just at the time they had to make a decision on whether or not he gets to keep his belt.

I still haven't seen any reasons why Klits did not fight/face Stiverne in the previous outings but everyone readily defends Klits now he's citing a "hand injury" for this bout now.

I know that Stiverne hasn't fought anyone other than Arreola but he beat him so decisively that it is easy to see that there will be many of HWs who will flat out duck him and I happen to believe that Klits is doing just that despite his record of beating anyone and everyone they put in front of him.

Klit has slowed down and is getting up there in age, Stiverne is fresh, fast, can take a good shot, has great defense and moves/punches at angles-dude is a serious threat for any HW and I'm hoping he gets a shots before Klit retires.

Idk about great defense, but I've seen two of his fights and I like the way he carries himself. He has a very good chin a stiff jab and seems to just keep coming forward and busting you up the whole night. I see him a step ahead of Mitchell and wilder
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (checkleft @ Aug 16 2013, 07:19 PM) *
Idk about great defense, but I've seen two of his fights and I like the way he carries himself. He has a very good chin a stiff jab and seems to just keep coming forward and busting you up the whole night. I see him a step ahead of Mitchell and wilder



I see him running circles around Wilder (dude has way too many flaws) but Mitchell is skilled though I think Jennings may be even stronger comp than either of the forementioned fighters.

Do you happen to know why Klits backed away from the other chances he's had to make this fight with Stiverne??
emd01
Vitali would KO Stiverne. VK has very underrated skill.
sduck
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 15 2013, 10:10 PM) *
Your focus is too narrow-minded on this, first of all you failed to address that Klits has previously ducked Stiverne on this not even citing any type of injury or other valid reason to not have this fight. As far as you believing Stiverne having nothing to threaten Klits with then really there are only 2 things I can say on that subject:

1. Klits isn't the same fighter he once was, he's older, has been injured and is slower than Stiverne
2. Stiverne is younger, faster and more technically sound than most of the fighters that Klits has faced in recent years.

Sure Stiverne hasn't seen the likes of Klits before in the ring but keep in mind all the things I stated above and you can clearly see that Klits knows there is a reason why he has avoided fighting this man twice already.

I've watched a couple of Stiverne's fights, and he's clearly not on the level of the Klitschkos to me. I doubt he can even beat David Haye.
checkleft
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 16 2013, 08:47 PM) *
I see him running circles around Wilder (dude has way too many flaws) but Mitchell is skilled though I think Jennings may be even stronger comp than either of the forementioned fighters.

Do you happen to know why Klits backed away from the other chances he's had to make this fight with Stiverne??

I've never heard of them backing away from him.

Vitaly is the tougher of the two in my opinion, he is grittier and has a better chin.

But I have never seen stiverne before his last two fights. Idk how he could have been ducked
Cheesey1
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 16 2013, 08:47 PM) *
I see him running circles around Wilder (dude has way too many flaws) but Mitchell is skilled though I think Jennings may be even stronger comp than either of the forementioned fighters.

Do you happen to know why Klits backed away from the other chances he's had to make this fight with Stiverne??

I think Jennings is better than he was last year. The size difference is a big issue, but I might pick Jennings over Wilder. Might...

Either way, all of these guys (including the Klitschkos) should fight. That would be a crazy tournament.
The Original MrFactor
Of all guys, Vitaly at 41 has the right to pick and choose who he wants in his last few. If indeed he picks Stiverne, I expect Vit to beat the shit out of him. Stiverne is nothing special. Slow, gets hit alot and doesnt have much in the way of skill or offense. just a wide body who throws an occasional punch. Think Sam Peter with coordination in his punching.
checkleft
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Aug 18 2013, 12:38 AM) *
Of all guys, Vitaly at 41 has the right to pick and choose who he wants in his last few. If indeed he picks Stiverne, I expect Vit to beat the shit out of him. Stiverne is nothing special. Slow, gets hit alot and doesnt have much in the way of skill or offense. just a wide body who throws an occasional punch. Think Sam Peter with coordination in his punching.

I do think vitaly, as you so elegantly put it, beats him lol. But I'm gonna say ill give stiverne a little more credit than your Sam peter comparison Haha
Cheesey1
QUOTE (emd01 @ Aug 16 2013, 11:39 PM) *
Vitali would KO Stiverne. VK has very underrated skill.

Do you think Vitali KO's Chisora in a rematch?
emd01
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Aug 18 2013, 05:59 AM) *
Do you think Vitali KO's Chisora in a rematch?

Possibly but in all likelihood it would go to the dec again. Stiverne isnt even on Chisoras level imo.

On Vitali ducking....the dude is 155 yrs old. Geriatrics get inured black eye.gif .
The Original MrFactor
People said the same shit about Vitaly ducking Rahman and Peter when those guys were viable. It just appears that Vitaly fights when Vitaly is ready. I have no doubt that he handles Stiverne, much like he did Peter. I dont think he's scared and he hasnt ducked anyone. He hasnt fought anyone else, so how could this be considered a duck?? Not like ducking Margarito in favor of Baldomir... Ooops, didnt mean to bring up old shit...
emd01
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Aug 22 2013, 05:07 PM) *
People said the same shit about Vitaly ducking Rahman and Peter when those guys were viable. It just appears that Vitaly fights when Vitaly is ready. I have no doubt that he handles Stiverne, much like he did Peter. I dont think he's scared and he hasnt ducked anyone. He hasnt fought anyone else, so how could this be considered a duck?? Not like ducking Margarito in favor of Baldomir... Ooops, didnt mean to bring up old shit...

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BrutUalBK
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Aug 22 2013, 08:07 PM) *
People said the same shit about Vitaly ducking Rahman and Peter when those guys were viable. It just appears that Vitaly fights when Vitaly is ready. I have no doubt that he handles Stiverne, much like he did Peter. I dont think he's scared and he hasnt ducked anyone. He hasnt fought anyone else, so how could this be considered a duck?? Not like ducking Margarito in favor of Baldomir... Ooops, didnt mean to bring up old shit...



Cheap shot below the belt and total BS to boot. Still no one has explained why Klits has avoided this fight 2 previous times but yet nearly everyone defends him.

I don't get it.
wolterb
Its obviously because he is scared^
checkleft
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 23 2013, 10:05 AM) *
Cheap shot below the belt and total BS to boot. Still no one has explained why Klits has avoided this fight 2 previous times but yet nearly everyone defends him.

I don't get it.

Before the arreola fight there was absolutely no reason to fight stiverne, the guy barley has any buzz right now. If I was stivernes camp I wouldnt want the fight right now. He isn't ready, beating the crap out of a guy who he made cry doesn't warrant an immediately shot. He needs more time, arreola was his very first test. Let him get a little better before basically taking a dive off a cliff and hoping he will grow wings
sduck
QUOTE (checkleft @ Aug 23 2013, 02:47 PM) *
Before the arreola fight there was absolutely no reason to fight stiverne, the guy barley has any buzz right now. If I was stivernes camp I wouldnt want the fight right now. He isn't ready, beating the crap out of a guy who he made cry doesn't warrant an immediately shot. He needs more time, arreola was his very first test. Let him get a little better before basically taking a dive off a cliff and hoping he will grow wings

This^

The Klitschkos dominate the Heavyweight division and have full control on who they fight. Stiverne still has to make a name and position for himself to earn that fight. He's only fought one legit guy so far, give him some time.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (emd01 @ Aug 22 2013, 08:57 PM) *
Possibly but in all likelihood it would go to the dec again. Stiverne isnt even on Chisoras level imo.

On Vitali ducking....the dude is 155 yrs old. Geriatrics get inured black eye.gif .

Ha! For real, Vitali's a geezer.

I like Del Boy, but Stiverne continues to improve and I liked what I saw against Arreola. He still made some stupid choices, but I think there is enough technical ability and physical goods to make it very interesting against the older and slower Vitali. Enough for Stiverne to deserve his chance in the ring.
MAHDI
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 23 2013, 10:05 AM) *
Cheap shot below the belt and total BS to boot. Still no one has explained why Klits has avoided this fight 2 previous times but yet nearly everyone defends him.

I don't get it.


I was watching Stiverne hack up arreola. He was impressive and displayed defense... he showed he can evade shots and his stamina was impressive. He was going for the kill with shots late in the fight. He beat the living crap out of arreola

QUOTE (wolterb @ Aug 23 2013, 12:03 PM) *
Its obviously because he is scared^


Stiverne is pretty tough...

QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Aug 24 2013, 08:58 PM) *
Ha! For real, Vitali's a geezer.

I like Del Boy, but Stiverne continues to improve and I liked what I saw against Arreola. He still made some stupid choices, but I think there is enough technical ability and physical goods to make it very interesting against the older and slower Vitali. Enough for Stiverne to deserve his chance in the ring.


To be honest, as Stiverne was working over arreola, I was seeing him beating one of the Klits...
emd01
Arreola isnt Vitali. Vitali has taken zero damage since fighting Arreola where as Arreola has been beaten up pretty bad. Comparing what Vitali did to CA to what Stiverne did is like apples and oranges. Vitali will own Stiverne with a jab all night and KO him late.
wolterb
QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Aug 24 2013, 07:58 PM) *
Ha! For real, Vitali's a geezer.

I like Del Boy, but Stiverne continues to improve and I liked what I saw against Arreola. He still made some stupid choices, but I think there is enough technical ability and physical goods to make it very interesting against the older and slower Vitali. Enough for Stiverne to deserve his chance in the ring.


Vitali could defintely get upset, especially if he comes in rusty on top of being older .I agree Stiverne looked impressive against Arreola and that he deserves a shot. Looked really fast and smart too. It seems like he improved from last time I saw him against Ray Austin. Even though he ended that fight early Austin had his moments and he looked pretty old.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (emd01 @ Aug 25 2013, 07:12 PM) *
Arreola isnt Vitali. Vitali has taken zero damage since fighting Arreola where as Arreola has been beaten up pretty bad. Comparing what Vitali did to CA to what Stiverne did is like apples and oranges. Vitali will own Stiverne with a jab all night and KO him late.

Definitely, Vitali isn't Arreola, but Arreola was a common opponent and merits being used in this discussion.

I'm a fan of the jab, but what you're saying will happen to Stiverne was also the supposed fate of Chisora.
Klitschko vs. Stiverne is worth making.
Cheesey1
QUOTE (wolterb @ Aug 26 2013, 12:58 AM) *
Vitali could defintely get upset, especially if he comes in rusty on top of being older .I agree Stiverne looked impressive against Arreola and that he deserves a shot. Looked really fast and smart too. It seems like he improved from last time I saw him against Ray Austin. Even though he ended that fight early Austin had his moments and he looked pretty old.

Yeah man.
Cshel86
^^^

Welcome to FightHype sir!

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Cheesey1
Thanks sir.
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