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BrutUalBK
I think a fight with Kovalev and Stevenson is a great match up stylewise but I don't believe that Kovalev is ready for BHop (Hopkins is too experienced both defensively and offensively).

What are your thoughts on these match-ups, who wins and how??
Cheesey1
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 17 2013, 10:16 PM) *
I think a fight with Kovalev and Stevenson is a great match up stylewise but I don't believe that Kovalev is ready for BHop (Hopkins is too experienced both defensively and offensively).

What are your thoughts on these match-ups, who wins and how??

I tend to agree about Hopkins, except if Kovalev relentlessly punches the body. Stevenson vs. Kovalev would be interesting. Tough one, as long as Stevenson boxes I have to pick him, but that is certainly a nice match up. Got to see how Stevenson looks against, what will hopefully be a wiser, Cloud first.
The Original MrFactor
Adonis gets KO'd. Hopkins DOES not fight him. In fact I expect Hopkins/Stevenson before either guy touches Kovalev
mrchitown
I don't see him beating Hopkins. Him and Stevenson would be good.
daprofessor
i liked what i saw from kovalev...but they should hold off on matching him with bhop. he'll get taken into deep water and drowned by bhop. cleverly made that fight easy for kovalev by leaning in all night and not throwing much. i've only seen him fight a couple times and he's usually more offensive. he should have tried to put kovalev on his heels or like roy said...box more to take some of the steam out of kovalev. one thing is for sure...the dude can punch.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Aug 17 2013, 11:33 PM) *
Adonis gets KO'd. Hopkins DOES not fight him. In fact I expect Hopkins/Stevenson before either guy touches Kovalev



Why not??? You think BHop is afraid of him or what? lol
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 19 2013, 04:29 PM) *
i liked what i saw from kovalev...but they should hold off on matching him with bhop. he'll get taken into deep water and drowned by bhop. cleverly made that fight easy for kovalev by leaning in all night and not throwing much. i've only seen him fight a couple times and he's usually more offensive. he should have tried to put kovalev on his heels or like roy said...box more to take some of the steam out of kovalev. one thing is for sure...the dude can punch.



Exactly!! I mean this dude (Kovalev) beats one nobody and all of a sudden the bandwagon fans go screaming how BHop is afraid of him and won't fight him and other silly simple-minded stuff like that, come on-who the hell is Cleverly anyway? He didn't look all that cleverly to me (please do not pardon the pun).

Hopkins is far too experienced and skilled for a fighter who simply bulls his way in a straight line with no counterpunching ability and so many holes in his defense that it looks like Swiss cheese.
The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 19 2013, 06:14 PM) *
Why not??? You think BHop is afraid of him or what? lol



Hopkins had trouble with Dawson and even Pascal to some degree. This guy will jump on him like no other and throw hard blows at arms legs, head and hit whatever he can hit. At 49, Hopkins doesnt need that type of gruelling fight. Win or lose, he'd take some serious heat. Kovalev can absolutely hit with impact. If Pascal can put Hopkins down, then certainly Kovalev can. Props to Hopkins, if he takes the fight, but I truly see him going in another direction. I dont see that as an easy fight.
daprofessor
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 19 2013, 05:17 PM) *
Exactly!! I mean this dude (Kovalev) beats one nobody and all of a sudden the bandwagon fans go screaming how BHop is afraid of him and won't fight him and other silly simple-minded stuff like that, come on-who the hell is Cleverly anyway? He didn't look all that cleverly to me (please do not pardon the pun).

Hopkins is far too experienced and skilled for a fighter who simply bulls his way in a straight line with no counterpunching ability and so many holes in his defense that it looks like Swiss cheese.


not sure where i read it...but someone said kovalev was the original mandatory for bhop but passed on his shot to fight cleverly. if that's true then i got to rethink my opinion of this kid. i see the skill...he just doesn't bull his way in. he's highly skilled...but again, i'd like to see him in with someone that won't be so easy to hit.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Aug 20 2013, 04:10 AM) *
Hopkins had trouble with Dawson and even Pascal to some degree. This guy will jump on him like no other and throw hard blows at arms legs, head and hit whatever he can hit. At 49, Hopkins doesnt need that type of gruelling fight. Win or lose, he'd take some serious heat. Kovalev can absolutely hit with impact. If Pascal can put Hopkins down, then certainly Kovalev can. Props to Hopkins, if he takes the fight, but I truly see him going in another direction. I dont see that as an easy fight.



So, let me get this straight; because BHop had a little trouble with Dawson (who is far technically superior than Kovalev) and Pascal (who is far faster and is very awkward) this means he is supposed to have all kinds of problems with a fighter who basically has a style like Pavlik's???

Yes, I agree BHop doesn't need a grueling fight but Kovalev isn't fast with neither his footwork nor his punches and he doesn't have the technical abilities of a master boxer and I haven't seen much of a defense in him either so I'm failing to see what he brings other than his youth, punching power and the fact that he'll be coming forward in a straight line (tailormade for Nard).

I don't see the fight as an easy fight either and I do see BHop going in a different direction of as right now because he has Murat on the table but Nard knows he's gonna need an opponent with a decent name/someone who is making noise in the division like Kovalev or Stevenson so one way or the other he's going to take on a fighter who is younger and more powerful, and it may as well be Sergey because the one advantage that Stevenson possess over many in the division is that he's a Southpaw but more importantly is that he's a SP with power.
The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 21 2013, 06:23 PM) *
So, let me get this straight; because BHop had a little trouble with Dawson (who is far technically superior than Kovalev) and Pascal (who is far faster and is very awkward) this means he is supposed to have all kinds of problems with a fighter who basically has a style like Pavlik's???

I think Kovalev's victory over Campillo was what impressed me with Kovalev. Campillo got hit and was on his bike until he got stopped. Campillo is no slouch. I think Kovalev would stop the Dawson that Hopkins fought. I think he would also stop Pascal. His style creates problems because of his relentlessness and he throws with conviction on damn near every shot. His jabs could be considered power shots. His D aint great, but his offense is very good and his power is great. i think he's much more dangerous than Pavlik was. Bigger, hits harder, relentless and naturally comfortable at the 175. So he hits like a guy at 175 or higher.


QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 21 2013, 06:23 PM) *
Yes, I agree BHop doesn't need a grueling fight but Kovalev isn't fast with neither his footwork nor his punches and he doesn't have the technical abilities of a master boxer and I haven't seen much of a defense in him either so I'm failing to see what he brings other than his youth, punching power and the fact that he'll be coming forward in a straight line (tailormade for Nard).


I dont think he's the neanderthal that you imply that he is. He does have skills. I thought a guy like Campillo would give this guy trouble. He had enough footspeed to walk him down and dominate. Punching power may be enough.


QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 21 2013, 06:23 PM) *
I don't see the fight as an easy fight either and I do see BHop going in a different direction of as right now because he has Murat on the table but Nard knows he's gonna need an opponent with a decent name/someone who is making noise in the division like Kovalev or Stevenson so one way or the other he's going to take on a fighter who is younger and more powerful, and it may as well be Sergey because the one advantage that Stevenson possess over many in the division is that he's a Southpaw but more importantly is that he's a SP with power.


Stevenson's southpaw is not an advantage. Throughout his career, Hopkins has feasted on southpaws. I think he picks Stevenson due to his size. Although Stevenson's KO over Dawson was impressive, but he's not the relentless force that Kovalev is. Hopkins can survive a Stevenson punch with his wits intact. I think he takes that fight in a heartbeat, not to mention, Stevenson beat the man that beat the man.

emd01
I think its a toss up in the Stevenson fight with AS having a slight advantage because of his one punch KO power. When it comes to BHop...please rolleyes_anim.gif . Bernard "The Grandmaster" Hopkins would destroy Kovalev easily and I hope thats the fight that gets made.
mrchitown
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Aug 21 2013, 11:44 PM) *
I think Kovalev's victory over Campillo was what impressed me with Kovalev. Campillo got hit and was on his bike until he got stopped. Campillo is no slouch. I think Kovalev would stop the Dawson that Hopkins fought. I think he would also stop Pascal. His style creates problems because of his relentlessness and he throws with conviction on damn near every shot. His jabs could be considered power shots. His D aint great, but his offense is very good and his power is great. i think he's much more dangerous than Pavlik was. Bigger, hits harder, relentless and naturally comfortable at the 175. So he hits like a guy at 175 or higher.




I dont think he's the neanderthal that you imply that he is. He does have skills. I thought a guy like Campillo would give this guy trouble. He had enough footspeed to walk him down and dominate. Punching power may be enough.




Stevenson's southpaw is not an advantage. Throughout his career, Hopkins has feasted on southpaws. I think he picks Stevenson due to his size. Although Stevenson's KO over Dawson was impressive, but he's not the relentless force that Kovalev is. Hopkins can survive a Stevenson punch with his wits intact. I think he takes that fight in a heartbeat, not to mention, Stevenson beat the man that beat the man.


Hopkins would just add another W to his record if and when he fights Kovalev....if you don't think so put the money up. I be making bets in PayPal with alot of cats online. I got $400 say Bernard bests him
mrchitown
http://www.boxingscene.com/hopkins-congrat...afe-road--68877

Nothing but truth in everything BHop said
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Aug 23 2013, 12:11 AM) *
http://www.boxingscene.com/hopkins-congrat...afe-road--68877

Nothing but truth in everything BHop said



Hops is right, they know that Nard will take this kid to school just as he did to Pavlik and I don't care how much power Kovalev has because we all know that power doesn't mean jack if you can't land it. This dude fights very much like Pavlik, comes in a straight line and is easy to hit and I wouldn't even bother comparing what he was able to do to Campillo with what people think he'd be able to do to Hops because Nard's defense is far superior to Campillo's.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Aug 21 2013, 11:44 PM) *
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I think Kovalev's victory over Campillo was what impressed me with Kovalev. Campillo got hit and was on his bike until he got stopped. Campillo is no slouch. I think Kovalev would stop the Dawson that Hopkins fought. I think he would also stop Pascal. His style creates problems because of his relentlessness and he throws with conviction on damn near every shot. His jabs could be considered power shots. His D aint great, but his offense is very good and his power is great. i think he's much more dangerous than Pavlik was. Bigger, hits harder, relentless and naturally comfortable at the 175. So he hits like a guy at 175 or higher.


You continue to use Campillo as a measuring stick of what you think he did to him that he'd be able to do to Hopkins, speed isn't always the key, angles and great defense of which BHop masters and Campillo doesn't will make the difference. And yes, Kovalev is very much like Pavlik with his come in a straight line style. Power means nothing if you can't land it.



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I dont think he's the neanderthal that you imply that he is. He does have skills. I thought a guy like Campillo would give this guy trouble. He had enough footspeed to walk him down and dominate. Punching power may be enough.



Again, Campillo and power, I already addressed both.



Throughout his career, Hopkins has feasted on southpaws. I think he picks Stevenson due to his size. Although Stevenson's KO over Dawson was impressive, but he's not the relentless force that Kovalev is. Hopkins can survive a Stevenson punch with his wits intact. I think he takes that fight in a heartbeat, not to mention, Stevenson beat the man that beat the man.



I was never trying to imply that Hopkins wouldn't be able to negate Stevenson's SP style, I know his record against SPs, I was simply implying that despite Nard's record SPs are generally a harder style to face than Orthodoxed fighters but I believe because of the SP stance that a fight with Superman would be more difficult than the come in a straight line and limited defense of Kovalev.

All my quotes are in BOLD
mrchitown
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Aug 23 2013, 09:22 AM) *
Hops is right, they know that Nard will take this kid to school just as he did to Pavlik and I don't care how much power Kovalev has because we all know that power doesn't mean jack if you can't land it. This dude fights very much like Pavlik, comes in a straight line and is easy to hit and I wouldn't even bother comparing what he was able to do to Campillo with what people think he'd be able to do to Hops because Nard's defense is far superior to Campillo's.


I like Campillo and he got robbed against Cloud but there's no real comparison between him and Bernard.

Everyone is on this man's train. Just like Matthyse but don't see how their being matched up properly to look the way they do. Now I'm not saying they not good and that Lucas won't beat Danny and that Kovalev cent beat Adonis but it's going to be hard.

Every time a fighter comes a long and knocks people out, they get the biggest hype. It's like the 15 mins of fame. Pavlik went thru it...now we got GGG, Matthysse, and now Kovalev. listening to Hopkins you can tell he's already seen something and studied Kovalev by what he was saying. And like I said he didn't lie. John David Jackson is a good guy and a great trainer and he's been sending shots Hopkins' way but when murat was out initially kovalev was in

Look what happened? They went the other direction. And it's not like the IBF gave him the mandatory and took it a way 3 days later. He and his team had plenty of time to sign that contract and get things done but they didn't do it. Now there are some saying that Hopkins won't take the fight and this and that but ignore the facts which clearly point towards kovalev and his people going the safe route.

Kovalev's style is made for Hopkins. I'm praying they fight so it can add to his legacy. Kovalev does some good things in there but he loads up with every shot and he comes straight forward. He handy been past 8 and Bernard will make him miss and you get tired when you're missing punches...They need to make this fight happen so Bernard can ruin another kids career
sduck
lol Hopkins takes him to school
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