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Gambit808
No doubt about it, that this may be the biggest fight since Mayweather-De La Hoya, and I was optimistic about this fight at the beginning but now, I'm not too sold on this fight breaking boxings all time PPV record. For one, it being showcased on Showtime and two, the build up on All Access doesen't seem to match what HBO's 24/7 did then. IMHO, All Access has been a good little piece to watch leading up to 9/14, but is it me, or does it not even come close to matching the Magic of Mayweather-De La Hoya lead up on 24/7? Two guys who generally had bad blood between one another that even shows to this day, with Mayweather's father stepping down from training Oscar for the fight, to Mayweather jr. whole bravado being able to connect just as much, if not even more than the cash cow and the fact that it was I think the FIRST show to give an in depth look at fighters lives and training camp and sort of gave boxing it's first reality series and new look. It was as if the stars and planets all aligned to make it as big as it was... And here we are now, new show, same format, Floyd being Floyd, and Canelo though he poses a great threat in this fight and has the looks to be a star, his aura doesn't outshine Mayweather's and he's still learning English to appeal to the U.S.A. audience. It just all seems to me, something that I've seen before in a fighter being built against Floyd. Now if something dramatic were to happen in this fight that would warrant a rematch, then I wouldn't even argue with the rematch doing numbers bigger than Mayweather-De La Hoya. It would be HUGE double time.

What do u guys on here think?

I also feel if maybe the Garcia-Matthysse had a show or piece behind it to better Promote it than just the fact that it's happening as a co feature, then I think that would help boost the numbers a bit more than it already has, with the "Hate em or Love em" attitude of Angel Garcia's real talk. So far I've hed crickets over there.
mrchitown
I don't think it's going to break the PPV record either but if they were to have a rematch I believe it would

They do need to push the Co featured bout more too. That's a big fight that commands attention by itself.
Jovi
I dont think anyfight will break that record for awhile. Only Mayweather/Pacquiao, and it has to be out of the country to reach a bigger demographic. Now with the ease of streaming ppv fights for free, the same reasons why record sales have gone down from before. As many mexicans fans that Canelo has, i doubt they will all separately buy a 60-70$ ppv. Our country is economically better (I hope) and even American fans aint doing that. I honestly dont even see it going past 2 million buys. I think 2 mill is maximum. The pre fight buildup to me seems like who will take the crown at the top, Mayweather took it from a mexican before and now a mexican who will seem to be the new cashcow has a chance to take it back. Hopefully Mayweather don't get TOO cocky

Matthysse vs Garcia should deff have their own all access show. I'd be more interested in that than Mayweather and Canelo who i have both seen before so its nothing really new. But Matthysse vs Garcia is very interesting, Shotime not having anything for this fight only hurts them.
mitukczuk
QUOTE (Jovi @ Sep 1 2013, 03:54 PM) *
Only Mayweather/Pacquiao, and it has to be out of the country to reach a bigger demographic.


Please...not this fight again...

It won't be a PPV record - Canelo is boring. Simple as that. All Floyd's opponents were during 24/7s and All Access but Oscar and The Hitman - who was the best entertainer. Alvarez is Mexican and thats the biggest thing about him PPV wise. Other than that, it's always the same. "I gotta do this, I gotta do that"....and as Floyd himself put it in ODLH 24/7 "You ain't gonna do shit".

These shows need to bring a new spark into them. Floyd won't surprise anyone, his opponents won't surprise anyone. The rhetoric is always the same.

De la Hoya vs. Mayweather was the first show of that kind. The fact of it being first and having two ego driven "Dudes with Attitudes" in it is what's made the show and the fight special.

In a way, this is the answer to the other thread: Mayweather loss would reshape boxing and in that sense, it would do the sport only good. Not gonna happen though.
leonthegee
Mayweather vs DLH 24/7 was ground breaking shit at the time. Now its old news. How many times can we see Floyds opponent say, "Im gonna beat Mayweather. Mayweathers time is over. Its my time." Blah blah blah. Until somebody knocks Floyd off people arent gonna be believing that shit.
Dolimite
I think it will crack two million. The common fan is interested and the hardcore fans are there. I think the CBS beef with Time Warner is hurting possible sales. But we will see. ESPN keeps showing commercials for The One. It may not break the record but it will be highly successful. Showtime will gets its money back. Plus, the undercard is no joke. I would pay to see Danny and Lucas fight any day of the week. It is a great card all around so who knows but I know Vegas is buzzing like a bee. 13 more days!
jazz
I don't think it will break the Mayweather/De La Hoya record. However, that is not because it is on Showtime. The second biggest selling fight of all time Holyfield/Tyson II (1.99 million PPV buys) was on Showtime and they didn't have a promo show like 24/7 or All Access to hype the fight. I think it won't break the record because Alvarez is not as big of a star as Oscar. Both Mayweather and Oscar had proven records against top quality competition at several weight classes when they fought. Alvarez has proven nothing except that he can beat a decent fighter (Trout) in a state (Texas) where the result was practically predetermined. Mayweather is the selling point in this fight. He will account for 1.5 million PPV sales. Alvarez and Matthysse/Garcia will account for a combined 300,000 for a total of 1.8 million PPV buys.
Gambit808
QUOTE (Jovi @ Sep 1 2013, 03:54 PM) *
Only Mayweather/Pacquiao, and it has to be out of the country to reach a bigger demographic.

I don't think being out of the country matters at this point, even if to say it were to be in China or Dubai, this fight lost it's luster PERIOD... There's no going back to the same spark it had from 2009-2011, in fact, u can throw that part on the grave stone of Mayweather-Pacquiao. I was also optimistic about this fight happening around that point like most of us, and it didn't... No matter if he does impress in the Rios fight (which the fight itself is not impressive IMO), or KO both guys he lost to, I still wouldn't feel it would carry the same spark for the simple fact that he got knocked cold at his peak... It's over.
Gambit808
QUOTE (jazz @ Sep 1 2013, 11:11 PM) *
I don't think it will break the Mayweather/De La Hoya record. However, that is not because it is on Showtime. The second biggest selling fight of all time Holyfield/Tyson II (1.99 million PPV buys) was on Showtime and they didn't have a promo show like 24/7 or All Access to hype the fight. I think it won't break the record because Alvarez is not as big of a star as Oscar. Both Mayweather and Oscar had proven records against top quality competition at several weight classes when they fought. Alvarez has proven nothing except that he can beat a decent fighter (Trout) in a state (Texas) where the result was practically predetermined. Mayweather is the selling point in this fight. He will account for 1.5 million PPV sales. Alvarez and Matthysse/Garcia will account for a combined 300,000 for a total of 1.8 million PPV buys.

Let me elaborate, that because of the rift between Showtime/CBS and Time Warner being one of the reasons this fight won't break the all time PPV record.
Franchize
This is the first time in which I feel a Floyd Mayweather fight is UNDER promoted. I mean seriously, Canelo is the first guy, in YEARS, that I thought could really hurt Floyd bad. Everyone should be talking about this fight when you really think about it. Outside of Manny Pacquiao, what fighter is a bigger draw for Floyd at this point? This is the biggest and toughest fight he could possibly have taken really. Even if you are of the mindset still that "he's a cherry picker", nobody would cherry pick Canelo. This kid is big, strong, fast, talented, and he has a pretty big following. Just seems like there isn't enough buzz around this.
bnoles4life
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Sep 2 2013, 01:17 AM) *
Let me elaborate, that because of the rift between Showtime/CBS and Time Warner being one of the reasons this fight won't break the all time PPV record.


Just settled!!!
Dolimite
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Sep 2 2013, 09:14 PM) *
Just settled!!!

I am so pissed! I just got my Dish two weeks ago and now this! Oh well.

I am glad customers get what they are paying for. I think this might help PPV sales, well I know they will.
Cshel86
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It's funny how rival promoters can inadvertently make the sport better, but rival cable companies can leave you with your d*ck in the dirt. Just when we want rival promoters to hash things out and work together, cable companies make us shit our pants. LOL

DigitalBoom
What odds are you guys seeing locally on this fight? My guys had it at 13-1 Mayweather a month ago and now it's 3-1 Mayweather. I was on BoxingScene and some folks have commented they feel the air ripe for a fix...so just curious about both situations from folks here.
Dolimite
QUOTE (DigitalBoom @ Sep 3 2013, 02:47 PM) *
What odds are you guys seeing locally on this fight? My guys had it at 13-1 Mayweather a month ago and now it's 3-1 Mayweather. I was on BoxingScene and some folks have commented they feel the air ripe for a fix...so just curious about both situations from folks here.

The closer the fight gets the more people are going to second guess Mayweather. People are saying Mayweather is getting knocked out within 5-8 rounds. They are banking on Saul's power and youth. Oscar is being a blow hard by making statements about how great Saul is compared to Mayweather. I think people are buying into the hype of Saul. Which makes the fight interesting. Now after the fight we will see peoples reaction. From what I can gather most of the people and bookies I know have Mayweather 7-1 favorite.
DigitalBoom
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 3 2013, 06:51 PM) *
The closer the fight gets the more people are going to second guess Mayweather. People are saying Mayweather is getting knocked out within 5-8 rounds. They are banking on Saul's power and youth. Oscar is being a blow hard by making statements about how great Saul is compared to Mayweather. I think people are buying into the hype of Saul. Which makes the fight interesting. Now after the fight we will see peoples reaction. From what I can gather most of the people and bookies I know have Mayweather 7-1 favorite.


Interesting point of view, thanks for sharing. I have floyd as a favorite in this fight but I don't think Canelo will gas out but I do think he'll take punishment to the body which will force him to be more defensive than ever and he'll end up getting tagged for it. On the scorecards thing..I'm not sure about this one though..I know it's floyd's backyard but I don't think either man should rely on the cards because I don't feel the final scores are going to read like the viewers scored it.
Dolimite
QUOTE (DigitalBoom @ Sep 3 2013, 03:58 PM) *
Interesting point of view, thanks for sharing. I have floyd as a favorite in this fight but I don't think Canelo will gas out but I do think he'll take punishment to the body which will force him to be more defensive than ever and he'll end up getting tagged for it. On the scorecards thing..I'm not sure about this one though..I know it's floyd's backyard but I don't think either man should rely on the cards because I don't feel the final scores are going to read like the viewers scored it.

Canelo will gas out. If you saw the video of Canelo working the bag he was constantly resting and taking breaks. during his workouts he always seems tired and gassed. He will have a good 5 rounds and after that its all she wrote. Mayweather is tagging the body the first half of the fight to take his lungs and the other half. he is going to fuck up that pretty face of his. This will be a Diego Corrales type of performance. That was the only fight Floyd was the underdog and you saw how he performed.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 3 2013, 10:08 PM) *
Canelo will gas out. If you saw the video of Canelo working the bag he was constantly resting and taking breaks. during his workouts he always seems tired and gassed. He will have a good 5 rounds and after that its all she wrote. Mayweather is tagging the body the first half of the fight to take his lungs and the other half. he is going to fuck up that pretty face of his. This will be a Diego Corrales type of performance. That was the only fight Floyd was the underdog and you saw how he performed.

If he does, then he needs to seriously be checked for some PEDs. Floyd still has his legs, speed, and reflexes, but another performance like that, will send the wrong message.
Dolimite
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Sep 3 2013, 06:20 PM) *
If he does, then he needs to seriously be checked for some PEDs. Floyd still has his legs, speed, and reflexes, but another performance like that, will send the wrong message.

Now wouldn't that be some shit! Imagine if Floyd tested positive for PEDs, that would be funny and tragic all in one. Skip Bayless and Dan Raefel would have a field day! And I can see May stuttering trying to explain himself/ ah shit!

Notice who is doing the majority of the talking. That drag queen Oscar (who really needs to shut the fuck up) and Canelo. Mayweather has been awful quiet. He hasn't said shit. Just really mum. Canelo maybe writing a check that his red headed ass can't cash.

Newbie, I never asked you what your take on the fight. How do you see it playing out? I'm glad you joined this board.
Hotsauce
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Sep 3 2013, 09:20 PM) *
If he does, then he needs to seriously be checked for some PEDs. Floyd still has his legs, speed, and reflexes, but another performance like that, will send the wrong message.


The fight will probably more like whitaker/oscar or oscar/mayweather
HyyerBlaze
Just stream it live for free lol
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QUOTE (DigitalBoom @ Sep 3 2013, 05:47 PM) *
What odds are you guys seeing locally on this fight? My guys had it at 13-1 Mayweather a month ago and now it's 3-1 Mayweather. I was on BoxingScene and some folks have commented they feel the air ripe for a fix...so just curious about both situations from folks here.

Odds always do that when time of any event is coming up. People are human, all they do is second guess themselves and some people are easier to convince than others.

Doubt this looks like chico vs Floyd. Floyd is nowhere neat as quick as he was back then (scary I know).
Cshel86
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 3 2013, 10:50 PM) *
Now wouldn't that be some shit! Imagine if Floyd tested positive for PEDs, that would be funny and tragic all in one. Skip Bayless and Dan Raefel would have a field day! And I can see May stuttering trying to explain himself/ ah shit!

Notice who is doing the majority of the talking. That drag queen Oscar (who really needs to shut the fuck up) and Canelo. Mayweather has been awful quiet. He hasn't said shit. Just really mum. Canelo maybe writing a check that his red headed ass can't cash.

Newbie, I never asked you what your take on the fight. How do you see it playing out? I'm glad you joined this board.

That would be an uuuuugly site to see, and him ever being caught on anything, but tremendously outweigh Manny being put to sleep. In fact, it may just wipe away all of Manny's recent lackluster performances, and he'd probably be forgiven for them.

I just see Floyd being the smaller man (of course) and pot shotting Canelo, until it's painfully obvious that he (Canelo) is thinking too much. If Canelo's stamina hasn't improved, then more than likely wear down from thinking too much, playing the feint game, and missing shots early.

The funny thing is, I like Canelo's chances. He has that quick little head movement, he's able to work his jab pretty good, and those "gotcha" punches that he fakes his opponents out with, can be his biggest asset if he plays it right.

This is the biggest fight left for Floyd, until his contract is up, or whenever he decides to walk away. With that in mind, he may just go toe to toe and go all out, but who knows.

QUOTE (Hotsauce @ Sep 4 2013, 12:12 AM) *
The fight will probably more like whitaker/oscar or oscar/mayweather

I didn't look at it like that. Hmmm...
sduck
QUOTE (Hotsauce @ Sep 3 2013, 11:12 PM) *
The fight will probably more like whitaker/oscar or oscar/mayweather

I agree, this fight will resemble Mayweather/De La Hoya more than anything.
Dolimite
QUOTE (sduck @ Sep 4 2013, 10:01 AM) *
I agree, this fight will resemble Mayweather/De La Hoya more than anything.

Then the nod will go to Canelo.
Hotsauce
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 4 2013, 05:17 PM) *
Then the nod will go to Canelo.


Rematch on cinco de mayo
Plah
I think the fight will go like May/Hatton tbh
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