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Cshel86
I know we've been reading a bunch rah rah crap about the Khan fight (which I still think wont happen), but my biggest question is, when will Devon impress again? I haven't seen a good performance from him since the Urango fight in 2010. I mean, the Maidana fight was impressive, but Maidana was still a plodder and he looked fat in that fight.

Lately, he's just found ways to make fights boring, and that Kell Brook accident-prone nonsense just killed his buzz. I'm wondering when he'll show us something at WW, or will he just fizzle out? Mind you, I used to be a huge Alexander fan, but wth is up with him nowadays???
daprofessor
i think it's safe to say that he has peaked. he doesn't appear to have added anything to his arsenal and is one of those guys that has to be matched with a very specific style/caliber opponent to shine. if and when the khan fight happens...i'll favor him simply because khan is not the same after all the wars. i can't see him beating anyone significant at 147. in my eyes....outside of floyd, thurman is the top dog.
Cshel86
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 3 2013, 09:53 PM) *
i think it's safe to say that he has peaked. he doesn't appear to have added anything to his arsenal and is one of those guys that has to be matched with a very specific style/caliber opponent to shine. if and when the khan fight happens...i'll favor him simply because khan is not the same after all the wars. i can't see him beating anyone significant at 147. in my eyes....outside of floyd, thurman is the top dog.

Man I HOPING you wouldn't say this. no2.gif

Im getting that feeling too. I haven't seen shit new from him, plus those Bailey and Purdy bouts left way too much to the imagination.
Dolimite
I think he needs another trainer to get him motivated. He will never get a big money fight with his fighting style and personality. His personality is boring as shit. he is a good guy but he just doesn't have the "it" factor. I am thinking Brother Nas or even Robert Garcia could help him out. Devon looks like he has lost interest in boxing.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 3 2013, 10:54 PM) *
I think he needs another trainer to get him motivated. He will never get a big money fight with his fighting style and personality. His personality is boring as shit. he is a good guy but he just doesn't have the "it" factor. I am thinking Brother Nas or even Robert Garcia could help him out. Devon looks like he has lost interest in boxing.

Right! That's what it looks like bro.
emd01
I agree that devon doesnt fight like he has any fire inside of him. I think Khan would beat him rather easily. Khans reach and activity would give Alexander problems.
checkleft
He still fights like an amateur. The urango fight was more about how good urango isn't, good pressure fighters melt this guy down! He definitely pulled a job on Lucas, looked completely intimidated by Bradley, and barely made it out on his feet against kotelnik. He literally fights like he doesn't know what a knockout is anymore

I agree that he looks very uninterested in boxing as someone mentioned.

Thurman would hurt that boy, khans too much of a light hitter. I would even favor maidana in a rematch now that he looks actually healthy at 147. I'd also favor ortiz over him.

Him and guerrero could actually be fun, I can't see guerrero letting Alexander get away clean in clinches and would force him to exchange. That could be a good scrap to bring out some dog in xander
DigitalBoom
Completely agree...too much talk from the manager as well.
Gambit808
QUOTE (checkleft @ Sep 4 2013, 01:36 AM) *
He still fights like an amateur. The urango fight was more about how good urango isn't, good pressure fighters melt this guy down! He definitely pulled a job on Lucas, looked completely intimidated by Bradley, and barely made it out on his feet against kotelnik. He literally fights like he doesn't know what a knockout is anymore

I agree that he looks very uninterested in boxing as someone mentioned.

Thurman would hurt that boy, khans too much of a light hitter. I would even favor maidana in a rematch now that he looks actually healthy at 147. I'd also favor ortiz over him.

Him and guerrero could actually be fun, I can't see guerrero letting Alexander get away clean in clinches and would force him to exchange. That could be a good scrap to bring out some dog in xander

I think Guerrero is hitting for the Broner-Maidana winner. After fighting Mayweather, I think he's going for the biggest money possible for him, which is probably a reason he didn't take bait on a fight with Thurman. Plus it makes sense too, given the history of him and Broner. Hell, if a upset from Maidana occurred then who wouldn't wanna see that.
The Original MrFactor
Sorry, if i never thought he was that good. he's limited in size and arsenal and has benefitted from good match making. When in there with guys like Kotelnik, Bradley and Matthysse he looked very average. Cunningham is a good guy who works for Alexander. If he strays too far from Cunningham, he'll be mismatched and lose to somebody who we didnt see it coming from.
Franchize
This MFer and his whole camp is annoying. I wish I could offer up something more elaborate and profound than that. They just are though. They bitch and moan all the time, talking about who they should be fighting, but when he gets those opportunities, something either breaks down in negotiations or he looks less than stellar. Just shut up and fight. And while you're fighting...still shut up. I'm tired of all that noise.
sduck
QUOTE (emd01 @ Sep 3 2013, 11:34 PM) *
I agree that devon doesnt fight like he has any fire inside of him. I think Khan would beat him rather easily. Khans reach and activity would give Alexander problems.

No way, Alexander would be all over Khan. Alexander has never looked that impressive to me, but I like what he did against Maidana, and I think he'd do the same to Khan. Effective aggression and clinching, Khan wouldn't be able to handle it, Alexander by KO.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 3 2013, 09:54 PM) *
I think he needs another trainer to get him motivated. He will never get a big money fight with his fighting style and personality. His personality is boring as shit. he is a good guy but he just doesn't have the "it" factor. I am thinking Brother Nas or even Robert Garcia could help him out. Devon looks like he has lost interest in boxing.


khan might be what the doctor ordered....

he's got fire power and looks devastating...but he's chinny enough that he can make devon look like a million bucks. hopefully everyone's attention spans won't remember that khan was just dropped nasty by julio diaz....and stopped by danny garcia. what that gets alexander is not much imo. i have absolutely ZERO interest in seeing him fight floyd. i'd rather watch floyd shadow box...or do mitts with uncle roger.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 4 2013, 01:15 PM) *
khan might be what the doctor ordered....

he's got fire power and looks devastating...but he's chinny enough that he can make devon look like a million bucks. hopefully everyone's attention spans won't remember that khan was just dropped nasty by julio diaz....and stopped by danny garcia. what that gets alexander is not much imo. i have absolutely ZERO interest in seeing him fight floyd. i'd rather watch floyd shadow box...or do mitts with uncle roger.

Damn you and brutal need to switch names lol
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Sep 4 2013, 01:19 PM) *
Damn you and brutal need to switch names lol


it's brutual...that's the homie. laugh.gif
mrchitown
IDK about Devon anymore, but it's obvious that he's missing something and whatever "it" is he needs to find it or get it back. He looked good against Maidana but that's about it. He's just not appealing though I am somewhat still a fan of his. He needs to add some new elements to his game. Not just for his carere but if he's going to fight with the big boys at 147, he's going to have to come harder then he has been
emd01
QUOTE (sduck @ Sep 4 2013, 08:55 AM) *
No way, Alexander would be all over Khan. Alexander has never looked that impressive to me, but I like what he did against Maidana, and I think he'd do the same to Khan. Effective aggression and clinching, Khan wouldn't be able to handle it, Alexander by KO.

Khan moves and throws fast straight punches. Maidana is light years slower than Khan and a plodder. Now, i'm not a big Khan fan. I just think its a horrible fight for someone who likes to fight at a controlled pace. I think Khan would be all over Alexander and unless Alexander lands a big punch and gets Khan out of there he loses a wide dec.
NoCatchweights
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Sep 4 2013, 01:53 AM) *
Sorry, if i never thought he was that good. he's limited in size and arsenal and has benefitted from good match making. When in there with guys like Kotelnik, Bradley and Matthysse he looked very average. Cunningham is a good guy who works for Alexander. If he strays too far from Cunningham, he'll be mismatched and lose to somebody who we didnt see it coming from.

Good matching? He's 6 months older than Terrance Crawford and his resume is ten times better, ridiculous comment.
NoCatchweights
Devon is the victim of zombie thinking, he is the same age as Crawford and Gary Russell and he has fought Bradley, Maidana, Lucas, Urango, Koetlink, Bailey and Witter and now Khan at 26 only the most low information fans think Devon isn't improving. Look at how he fought Purdy, Devon realized Purdy couldn't hurt him so he let go, Devon would KO Khan.
checkleft
QUOTE (NoCatchweights @ Sep 5 2013, 02:37 AM) *
Devon is the victim of zombie thinking, he is the same age as Crawford and Gary Russell and he has fought Bradley, Maidana, Lucas, Urango, Koetlink, Bailey and Witter and now Khan at 26 only the most low information fans think Devon isn't improving. Look at how he fought Purdy, Devon realized Purdy couldn't hurt him so he let go, Devon would KO Khan.

We will see if these morherfuckers get something done instead of fighting this recent string of no hopers.
daprofessor
QUOTE (NoCatchweights @ Sep 5 2013, 02:37 AM) *
Devon is the victim of zombie thinking, he is the same age as Crawford and Gary Russell and he has fought Bradley, Maidana, Lucas, Urango, Koetlink, Bailey and Witter and now Khan at 26 only the most low information fans think Devon isn't improving. Look at how he fought Purdy, Devon realized Purdy couldn't hurt him so he let go, Devon would KO Khan.



who? huh.gif laugh.gif

listen....i know how hard it is to get to devon's level. he's a former world champ. he's still a top contender. no one is taking any of that away from him. judging from his string of opponents....i don't believe he's getting better. i think he's hit his plateau. at 147....his style isn't going to get him far and his punching isn't exactly anything to write home about. khan may be past his best....but offensively speaking, he's going to give devon a lot to be concerned about in comparison to lee purdy. i wouldn't favor devon over too many of the top guys at 147.
emd01
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 5 2013, 11:07 AM) *
who? huh.gif laugh.gif

listen....i know how hard it is to get to devon's level. he's a former world champ. he's still a top contender. no one is taking any of that away from him. judging from his string of opponents....i don't believe he's getting better. i think he's hit his plateau. at 147....his style isn't going to get him far and his punching isn't exactly anything to write home about. khan may be past his best....but offensively speaking, he's going to give devon a lot to be concerned about in comparison to lee purdy. i wouldn't favor devon over too many of the top guys at 147.

Period. Devon just isnt that active. Even with fighters who arent throwing much themselves. Khan is going to run those combinations and he wont be a sitting duck like Purdy. Khan is fast, has good feet and is confident he can beat Devon...I remember someone else having those same attributes whooping Devons ass.
daprofessor
QUOTE (emd01 @ Sep 5 2013, 02:33 PM) *
Period. Devon just isnt that active. Even with fighters who arent throwing much themselves. Khan is going to run those combinations and he wont be a sitting duck like Purdy. Khan is fast, has good feet and is confident he can beat Devon...I remember someone else having those same attributes whooping Devons ass.


he quit in that bradley fight.
NoCatchweights
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 5 2013, 02:07 PM) *
who? huh.gif laugh.gif

listen....i know how hard it is to get to devon's level. he's a former world champ. he's still a top contender. no one is taking any of that away from him. judging from his string of opponents....i don't believe he's getting better. i think he's hit his plateau. at 147....his style isn't going to get him far and his punching isn't exactly anything to write home about. khan may be past his best....but offensively speaking, he's going to give devon a lot to be concerned about in comparison to lee purdy. i wouldn't favor devon over too many of the top guys at 147.

Totally disagree, Devon makes easy work of anyone but the p4p guys, nothing about Devon would suggest he has fallen off. Devon is absolutely huge he rehryated to 161 in his last fight. It's what happens when you fight world class opponents, people take you for granted.
NoCatchweights
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 5 2013, 02:47 PM) *
he quit in that bradley fight.



Bradley did his headbutt thing.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 3 2013, 09:54 PM) *
I think he needs another trainer to get him motivated. He will never get a big money fight with his fighting style and personality. His personality is boring as shit. he is a good guy but he just doesn't have the "it" factor. I am thinking Brother Nas or even Robert Garcia could help him out. Devon looks like he has lost interest in boxing.



For the first time I think I'm gonna have to disagree on the Trainer issue although I do feel what you're saying. The kid has decent skills but little pop, so he will have to find a way to be a more exciting fighter since he doesn't have to abilities to score the one shot type of KOs that people want to see in this sport, personally I just see him as a fighter who has mastered boxing basics and has no power.

He is the kind of durable fighter that can be around for a long time and then start to win fanfare based on his longevity as long as he is winning (kinda like a modern day, younger version of BHop).

If I'm his promoter I wouldn't try to change anything about his fighting abilities but I would try to get him in the ring with the biggest names so he can put those names on his resume, Khan's name would've looked good on his resume but an even better idea for him at this point is to wait for the winner of JMM vs Bradley (though Tim has already beaten him) which makes for a better match up either way because if JMM wins and Devon and Marquez fight and Alexander wins then he beat the man that beat him and if Bradley wins vs JMM then we get to see a rematch vs Bradley thus giving DA another chance to redeem himself from the first fight but a win against either man would give him a W and put Floyd at the table with him.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 5 2013, 02:47 PM) *
he quit in that bradley fight.


Id still call that an ass whooping. Devon looked totally intimidated and lost
QUOTE (NoCatchweights @ Sep 5 2013, 06:07 PM) *
Bradley did his headbutt thing.

You will probably never hear me say this again but devon caused the headbutts, watch the fight. Devon kept stepping in completely wild and leading with his head. He was probably looking to punch and clinch like he does, not a smart idea against bradley who can thrive in the clinch and has a big dome.

You say he can handle anyone except p4pndrs? What about Lucas?

I see him in the top ten in his weight class but he's never gonna be a top guy. Peaked
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Sep 5 2013, 07:42 PM) *
Id still call that an ass whooping. Devon looked totally intimidated and lost

You will probably never hear me say this again but devon caused the headbutts, watch the fight. Devon kept stepping in completely wild and leading with his head. He was probably looking to punch and clinch like he does, not a smart idea against bradley who can thrive in the clinch and has a big dome.

You say he can handle anyone except p4pndrs? What about Lucas?

I see him in the top ten in his weight class but he's never gonna be a top guy. Peaked


thanks for saving me the trouble of typing all of this! laugh.gif
Dolimite
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Sep 5 2013, 03:36 PM) *
For the first time I think I'm gonna have to disagree on the Trainer issue although I do feel what you're saying. The kid has decent skills but little pop, so he will have to find a way to be a more exciting fighter since he doesn't have to abilities to score the one shot type of KOs that people want to see in this sport, personally I just see him as a fighter who has mastered boxing basics and has no power.

He is the kind of durable fighter that can be around for a long time and then start to win fanfare based on his longevity as long as he is winning (kinda like a modern day, younger version of BHop).

If I'm his promoter I wouldn't try to change anything about his fighting abilities but I would try to get him in the ring with the biggest names so he can put those names on his resume, Khan's name would've looked good on his resume but an even better idea for him at this point is to wait for the winner of JMM vs Bradley (though Tim has already beaten him) which makes for a better match up either way because if JMM wins and Devon and Marquez fight and Alexander wins then he beat the man that beat him and if Bradley wins vs JMM then we get to see a rematch vs Bradley thus giving DA another chance to redeem himself from the first fight but a win against either man would give him a W and put Floyd at the table with him.

Devon needs to wake up. He just looks so lethargic. It is as if he just is there. His personality puts me to sleep and I like his boxing style but he just seems to be going through the motions. Maybe he needs to just add someone with some spice to his team. Who knows. No one is going to pay good money to see a guy with good boxing skills and a humdrum personality. If muthafuckas don't appreciate Rigondeaux's style and say Mayweather runs and is a boring fighter, what makes you think they will have any appreciation for Devon's skill set? The is a bore and he needs to do something to get that "Eye of the Tiger" back.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 5 2013, 07:44 PM) *
Devon needs to wake up. He just looks so lethargic. It is as if he just is there. His personality puts me to sleep and I like his boxing style but he just seems to be going through the motions. Maybe he needs to just add someone with some spice to his team. Who knows. No one is going to pay good money to see a guy with good boxing skills and a humdrum personality. If muthafuckas don't appreciate Rigondeaux's style and say Mayweather runs and is a boring fighter, what makes you think they will have any appreciation for Devon's skill set? The is a bore and he needs to do something to get that "Eye of the Tiger" back.


i can't put him on the level of rigondeaux or floyd. he's a few notches below.

he had robots in front of him in his last two fights. he should have shined like a star....instead, he completely underwhelmed. floyd and rigondeaux will stand in the pocket, make u miss and make u pay. that's exciting to me! what devon does is something less impressive. it's as if he's fighting scared the whole time...like the klitschkos....where as floyd and rigondeaux look super composed and smooth as silk.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 5 2013, 06:44 PM) *
Devon needs to wake up. He just looks so lethargic. It is as if he just is there. His personality puts me to sleep and I like his boxing style but he just seems to be going through the motions. Maybe he needs to just add someone with some spice to his team. Who knows. No one is going to pay good money to see a guy with good boxing skills and a humdrum personality. If muthafuckas don't appreciate Rigondeaux's style and say Mayweather runs and is a boring fighter, what makes you think they will have any appreciation for Devon's skill set? The is a bore and he needs to do something to get that "Eye of the Tiger" back.


I do agree that his style is boring but he just has to have the right type of opponents to be in front of him to make things interesting, we all thought Bradley was methodical until we saw him in vs Ruslan. I believe Bradley was goaded into mixing it up (box a little then brawl a little) in order to get fans to appreciate him.

He never really had the eye of the tiger to begin with but his style isn't one that is crowd pleasing unless he's put in a fight that'll push him to the limit.
emd01
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 5 2013, 11:47 AM) *
he quit in that bradley fight.

Cus he was getting his ass whoo...uh, I mean got head butted.
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 5 2013, 06:49 PM) *
i can't put him on the level of rigondeaux or floyd. he's a few notches below.

he had robots in front of him in his last two fights. he should have shined like a star....instead, he completely underwhelmed. floyd and rigondeaux will stand in the pocket, make u miss and make u pay. that's exciting to me! what devon does is something less impressive. it's as if he's fighting scared the whole time...like the klitschkos....where as floyd and rigondeaux look super composed and smooth as silk.

I'm saying! Idk how anyone can find rigo boring, he's so fucking smooth and he can crack! He's like a fucking snake just waiting on that opening to strike.
emd01
QUOTE (checkleft @ Sep 5 2013, 09:33 PM) *
I'm saying! Idk how anyone can find rigo boring, he's so fucking smooth and he can crack! He's like a fucking snake just waiting on that opening to strike.

And he's right there! the dude doesnt run or use excessive foot movement. He's in the pocket. Was just watching the Donaire fight yesterday thinking to myself "Damn Donaire is huge compared to Rigo but Rigo is stalking and walking his big ass down."

I dont think they want Rigo to make it to the top because with talent like his he'll stay there and it will be a cuban version of Floyd all over again. They want sluggers and brawlers and people to beat each other until theyre brain damaged not slick boxers who dont take punishment. Its just how it is these days.
checkleft
QUOTE (emd01 @ Sep 6 2013, 08:46 AM) *
And he's right there! the dude doesnt run or use excessive foot movement. He's in the pocket. Was just watching the Donaire fight yesterday thinking to myself "Damn Donaire is huge compared to Rigo but Rigo is stalking and walking his big ass down."

I dont think they want Rigo to make it to the top because with talent like his he'll stay there and it will be a cuban version of Floyd all over again. They want sluggers and brawlers and people to beat each other until theyre brain damaged not slick boxers who dont take punishment. Its just how it is these days.

Exactly and as much as I criticize donaire, he's an athletic freak! Was second best to me in that weight class next to mares and rigo completely dominated him. Not even after the kd did he look flustered

He's just so Damn Cuban its hard to have any sort of fan base unless he fights strictly out of the east or Miami
daprofessor
QUOTE (emd01 @ Sep 6 2013, 09:46 AM) *
And he's right there! the dude doesnt run or use excessive foot movement. He's in the pocket. Was just watching the Donaire fight yesterday thinking to myself "Damn Donaire is huge compared to Rigo but Rigo is stalking and walking his big ass down."

I dont think they want Rigo to make it to the top because with talent like his he'll stay there and it will be a cuban version of Floyd all over again. They want sluggers and brawlers and people to beat each other until theyre brain damaged not slick boxers who dont take punishment. Its just how it is these days.


thing about it to me...put him in with guys like darchinyan, mares, jhonny gonzalez, arce, vasquez or any of them...he's going to destroy anyone that comes to win. they just need to line them up.
daprofessor
QUOTE (checkleft @ Sep 6 2013, 03:01 PM) *
Exactly and as much as I criticize donaire, he's an athletic freak! Was second best to me in that weight class next to mares and rigo completely dominated him. Not even after the kd did he look flustered

He's just so Damn Cuban its hard to have any sort of fan base unless he fights strictly out of the east or Miami


if arum makes the matches....he'll gain a fan base.
emd01
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 6 2013, 12:25 PM) *
if arum makes the matches....he'll gain a fan base.

He wont though. I think Floyd scared the old guy. Just the thought of him getting another black fighter to the top and that black fighter deciding to leave probably puts a nasty taste in his mouth. I mean, there arent many fighters like Pac that will take IOUs on tnapkins rolleyes_anim.gif .
daprofessor
QUOTE (emd01 @ Sep 6 2013, 06:29 PM) *
He wont though. I think Floyd scared the old guy. Just the thought of him getting another black fighter to the top and that black fighter deciding to leave probably puts a nasty taste in his mouth. I mean, there arent many fighters like Pac that will take IOUs on tnapkins rolleyes_anim.gif .


laugh.gif true.
Hotsauce
let him cook
checkleft
QUOTE (Hotsauce @ Sep 7 2013, 12:12 AM) *
let him cook

Lmao
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