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mgrover
So why hasn't boxing investigated her?? Or any judge that makes these bad calls, why do they continously get to keep coming up to world level and fucking things up. I understand judges and refs need protection from everybody from the commission but still that doesn't mean there untouchable.
Franchize
They don't want to investigate her lol She's just following orders from the Capo Regime lmao
mrchitown
The sanctioning bodies should refuse to let her and these other hack judges work their fights, it really reflects poorly on them. The commissions could do something but they won't because their full of shit. If this was the NBA or the NFL, then she would've been reviewed and or questioned for her horrendous scoring but since Boxing doesn't have a structure like those other sports, we often don't get justice
emd01
She got a huge incentive for scoring the fight in such a shitty fashion. An $8000 one laugh.gif . Until they hit her pockets I think she'll always be a controversial judge.
Col Reb
If any of you fans who know boxing live in Vegas, go get licensed. When you don't like the status quo in politics, you run for office. I wish more boxing fans would seek licensing. I also wish one judge could be in the booth for scoring instead of at ringside.
checkleft
This bitch had the nerve to say she had the right score after the fight when they interviewed her. I wouldn't let her judge a dog show after a card like that
NoCatchweights
QUOTE (Col Reb @ Sep 15 2013, 07:36 PM) *
If any of you fans who know boxing live in Vegas, go get licensed. When you don't like the status quo in politics, you run for office. I wish more boxing fans would seek licensing. I also wish one judge could be in the booth for scoring instead of at ringside.


This, I have looked into reffing or judging in Texas and it was something I couldn't do I can't remember but there is a barrier to enter. I don't think I've ever made a bad card but i can't get on.
Franchize
There's no better people to here after a ridiculous score card than Paulie Malinaggi and Teddy Atlas lmaoooooo
Jack 1000
I think the biggest problem is that there is no reprimand in boxing for horrible officiating, or very little. Judges like Eugenia Williams, who scored Lewis-Holyfield-I's draw, 115-113 for Holyfield in a fight that Lewis won at least seven rounds handily, or CJ Ross's recent 114-114 draw card, with Floyd on most accounts taking nine rounds to a shutout or her 115-113 Bradley card, in which in which Pacquaio won a solid seven rounds, shows that judges can get away with this because there is no higher up authority to stop them.

Although I disagree strongly with Teddy Atlas about many things, I can see points raised about the lack of national commission when it comes to officiating that is so bad that the officals need to be investigated. My view is that you can't put a national commission on an international sport, so how about an international commission?

If a judge or referees actions are so outrageous, so incomprehensible that no one on the plant agrees with what they saw or did in the fight, let's take CJ Ross in her scoring of Bradley-Pacquaio, or worse her scoring of Mayweather-Canelo, or Russel Mora's officiating in Mares-Agbeko I in which he allowed Mares to throw an estimated sixty to eighty low blows with no points deducted, no DQ, nothing but constant warnings:

When an official is called into question who's actions can be defended by no one else but themselves


1.) They must attend a review hearing.
2.) Officials must sit down with the commission review board and watch the fight explaining their scores as a judge, or actions as a ref.
3.) They are allowed to bring evidence or legal council to the meeting to support claims of their actions.
4.) The commission or sanctioning body takes notes of the judges responses for why officiated the way they did.
5.) They must come up with clear and deductive reasoning to explain their officiating. "Boxing is subjective" will not be a valid response if they saw a fight that no one else did.
6.) The commission reviews there statements and off of of these conditions one of several recommendations is made:

a.) The evidence shows that the official had a bad night and receives no penalty or a probation warning.
b.) The commission/sanctioning body finds evidence of overt favoritism, fixing, incompetence and would than have the power to do the following, based on the severity of the evidence found: (One or more of the following.)

* A fine
*A suspension of license for a set period of time (say six months to a year.)
*A revocation of license. (More than a year.)
*A lifetime ban, (fired from officiating.)

The interesting thing is that CJ Ross has been shown in her judging history to favor underdogs, not necessarily the house fighter. She seems to like to force draws a lot. I haven't looked at ALL of her record yet, just those six controversial fights. She has officiated, according to Box Rec since 1992.

Community Questions:

1.) Has she officiated a Mayweather or Alvarez fight before this, what was her score?

2.) Do you think her scoring was racially biased favoring Alvarez because he was the up and coming next Mexican star? The WBC has a history of favoring Mexican fighters being a Mexican organization rulled by a Mexican president. However, racial bias or favoring the star, certainly did NOT apply by ruining Pacquaio's performance by giving the fight to Bradley. Bradley was no "house fighter." Cynthia's record shows favoring underdogs, and underdogs are not usually known as the house fighter.

My main question for Nevada Commissioner Keith Keizer would be the following:


Why do you see Cynthia Ross as a good judge despite her boxing record now showing at least seven controversial fights?
What would a judge have to do in your view to illustrate wrongdoing if Ms. Ross's scorecard did not illustrate this in your view?
Why is it that no one else in the entire boxing word saw the fight that she saw? Wouldn't there be as little as one other draw card to support her card? I have found NOTHING!


4.) If there was a bribe, can you describe specifically how you think it went down and who did it? Could someone have just gone up to Cynthia Ross and said. "Um, here's an extra $3000 if you would agree to favor Canelo Alvarez in his fight with Floyd Mayweather? If that happened, was it some big higher up, or some lone gambler, someone with whom you wouldn't expect OR

5.) There was no bribe, and Cynthia Ross for reasons known only to her either hates Floyd Mayweather and/or loves Canelo Alvarex and wanted to do everything in her power to give him the fight? Could she have just been sick of Floyd winning all the time? Maybe just wanting to please the WBC or Golden Boy Promotions by favoring Canelo? After all, many people still do not like Floyd, both officially and unofficially and want to see him lose, and the money that Canelo could have brought gave CJ Ross that opportunity. She wanted to be different, stand out in a crowd. My problem with this, is why would you want to create such a negative backlash for yourself without some monetary compensation involved? At best it's incompetence, worse, favoritism, or does #4 really come into play here, corruption? Why or why not?

6.) At first bell, what were the odds on Mayweather vs. Canelo for a unanimous decision? A Split Decision? A Majority Decision? For Floyd? For Canelo?

Jack
Cshel86
I mean shit, i was drunk as hell, and at one point, had to chase my Jack Russell Terrier around the house for 2 1/2 rounds, and I still would've scored it better. You can't tell me that they weren't passing a 32 oz 7/11 cup of Crown Royal, around the judges table.

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The judges stunk up the joint all night, to be completely honest. The weird part is, how can such thing as "judging", be investigated??? It's subjective and at the end of the day, it's THAT judge's perspective of the fight. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending her shitty card, but dont you think it's kinda weird/unethical to sit her in a room and pretty much force her change her views of a fight that she saw with her own eyes???

If anything, they need to check her bank statements, to at least make sure that she didn't make an suspicious deposits. If you wanna go even further, check her phone records too. To take it to the extreme, check the athletic commissions should go as far as checking the promoter (s) ban statements, for suspicious withdrawls.

I know that sounds extreme, but hell, at that will keep all of the other judges on their toes. It's also an inconvenience to every party, so maybe people wouldn't even wanna get involved. Im not even sure if the athletic commissions can do this, but hell, its not a bad idea.
The Original MrFactor
I know, I know I'm delusional for saying this, but here goes. Her card was the only one that was right. Those rounds were largely even. If you watched the fight with no bias, then you saw all those unanswered jabs to the body that red gead was landing. You counted body shots and not just the flashy stuff that snapped red head's, head back. CJ Ross got it right. I'm in the minority, I understand that. I'll be watching the replay this weekend.
Jack 1000
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Sep 16 2013, 12:53 PM) *
I know, I know I'm delusional for saying this, but here goes. Her card was the only one that was right. Those rounds were largely even. If you watched the fight with no bias, then you saw all those unanswered jabs to the body that red gead was landing. You counted body shots and not just the flashy stuff that snapped red head's, head back. CJ Ross got it right. I'm in the minority, I understand that. I'll be watching the replay this weekend.


That's interesting Factor,

It takes great courage for speaking out in the minority like this. BTW, what was your score?

Jack
The Original MrFactor
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Sep 16 2013, 02:09 PM) *
That's interesting Factor,

It takes great courage for speaking out in the minority like this. BTW, what was your score?

Jack



I was pretty loaded, but I think it was 115-113 Mayweather or 114-114 which was cool too.
checkleft
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Sep 16 2013, 01:11 PM) *
I was pretty loaded, but I think it was 115-113 Mayweather or 114-114 which was cool too.

Sure it wasn't the alcohol then? Lol

I'm fucking with you doe. I did see what your talking about with some of the jabs and body work, but from what I saw the jabs were pretty much to keep from doing nothing. Canelo has always been a very low output fighter. And a lot of the body shots I saw were getting caught in the arms or gloves. He made some of those rounds close with his work rate but the effectiveness was totally lacking in my opinion. I could see someone giving him 4 rounds at most.

But I thought mayweather controlled distance (generalship) landed the more clean effective punches and had very good defense and dictated the tempo as well.
NoCatchweights
QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Sep 16 2013, 12:53 PM) *
I know, I know I'm delusional for saying this, but here goes. Her card was the only one that was right. Those rounds were largely even. If you watched the fight with no bias, then you saw all those unanswered jabs to the body that red gead was landing. You counted body shots and not just the flashy stuff that snapped red head's, head back. CJ Ross got it right. I'm in the minority, I understand that. I'll be watching the replay this weekend.



I got the fight saved I'll watch again but I like both fight fighters and I had it 10-2 no bias here.
Jack 1000
A CJ Ross Theory

I would like to find out why she has such an interest in favoring underdogs in the fights she officiates. I don't think she is a bad person, but she is a poor judge. Maybe there could be motives in her background that made her favor underdogs like she has in the majority of her fights that have draws or split decisions.

If she loved house fighters, she would not have went against Manny Pacquiao over Tim Bradley. Critics have suggested that the cards could have been fixed to force Manny to stay with Top Rank to insure a Bradley rematch. I was applauded at the November rematch posters that were showing this, because it suggested that the possibility exists this fight was NOT on the level and it was a terrible way to do a promotion. I actually cannot remember if a rematch clause had been signed or not. But Manny's contract WAS nearing the end with Top Rank. The Marquez fourth fight KO turned everything upside-down, so if there were orchestrated plans or not from Bradley-Pacquiao, Bob Arum certainly has not done anything to help Tim get back in the spotlight AT ALL! Tim Bradley never got the name recognition because all of the controversy from HBO's blatant pom-pom shaking, jump-started by Jim Lamply. The over-dramatic crying because Pacquiao had lost. HBO's presentation of that fight was more on how Manny lost than how Bradley won. Jim had that same attitude when Marquez KO'd Pacquiao. Could CJ Ross have an emotional sensitivity for underdogs in general, that might explain some of her draw and split decision cards?

Cynthia Ross' background would be interesting to review. Could she perhaps have a career as say a special education teacher, or counselor working with troubled kids who would be motivated to help those in need (underdogs) get a second chance, a positive outlook on life? If so, that is a wonderful thing that she would be doing in helping people get second chances. However, the serious problem is you can't be a judge like that! But if she is in that type of helping capacity, she might be trying to take that philosophy of there "are no losers." to her judging. And it is possible that Nevada could see, "Here's a woman who shows compassion and sensitivity for the fighters and their accomplishments, she's independent, she's a humanitarian, and she kind, and she's a woman." Therefore we can't show her the door." Could she also be very feisty and independent, the kind of person that would force a sexual discrimination lawsuit if she were dismissed against the commission?" Maybe they feel a need to protect her in this way.

Jack
mrchitown
Well she's reportedly taken a leave of absence. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out
checkleft
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 17 2013, 10:32 PM) *
Well she's reportedly taken a leave of absence. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out

Thats too bad, she was an inspiration to blind people everywhere.
mrchitown
QUOTE (checkleft @ Sep 18 2013, 12:12 AM) *
Thats too bad, she was an inspiration to blind people everywhere.


There have been many images and meme's like that of her floating around the net lol
MAHDI
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 17 2013, 11:32 PM) *
Well she's reportedly taken a leave of absence. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out




Pardon the expression but I Hope she chokes on a tampon... stupid bitch- nothing justifies her 114-114 please... I am sure she feels like shit and her leave is related to the event and her pathetic scoring.. really that was some Hurrican Carter shit
checkleft
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 18 2013, 12:53 AM) *
There have been many images and meme's like that of her floating around the net lol

You should post some lol I don't do the whole Facebook Twitter thing so I haven't seen a thing
Dolimite
http://www.boxingscene.com/more-details-on...-absence--69729

Bye bitch!
mrchitown
QUOTE (MAHDI @ Sep 18 2013, 08:53 AM) *
Pardon the expression but I Hope she chokes on a tampon... stupid bitch- nothing justifies her 114-114 please... I am sure she feels like shit and her leave is related to the event and her pathetic scoring.. really that was some Hurrican Carter shit


What's so idiotic to me is that Kizer supported her scoring and she stood her ground on her scoring of the fight. Nobody wants to admit they're wrong here but what's right is right, that fight was nowhere near a draw. There is barely 2 or 4 rounds you could give Canelo and she gave him 6. FOH
pacco_diablo
Embattled judge C.J. Ross has stepped down from her job scoring professional boxing matches in the aftermath of criticism over the way she handled the Floyd Mayweather/Saul Alvarez title fight.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported Wednesday that Ross emailed Nevada State Athletic Commission executive director Keith Kizer on Tuesday to request an indefinite leave of absence.

Ross scored Saturday's super welterweight match 114-114 in a fight that the undefeated Mayweather dominated for the most part en route to a majority decision.

She gave six rounds to champ Alvarez and was the lone judge of the three to score the eighth round in favour of the Mexican.

She also penalized Mayweather heavily for his inactivity in the first few rounds and for not throwing many punches in the final rounds.

The other two judges had it 117-111 and 116-112 in favour of challenger Mayweather.

The decision attracted a storm of criticism from Mayweather's team towards Ross, who has been judging fights for 22 years.

This is not the first time the 64-year-old Ross has come under heavy scrutiny for the way she scored a championship fight.

She was one of two judges that enabled Timothy Bradley to earn a split decision over Manny Pacquiao in a 2012 fight that many thought the Filipino star won.

The newspaper said Ross' boxing judging license expires at the end of the year.



http://sports.yahoo.com/news/controversial...37529--box.html
mrchitown
QUOTE (checkleft @ Sep 18 2013, 09:13 AM) *
You should post some lol I don't do the whole Facebook Twitter thing so I haven't seen a thing


I'm going to look for some
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Sep 15 2013, 02:26 PM) *
So why hasn't boxing investigated her?? Or any judge that makes these bad calls, why do they continously get to keep coming up to world level and fucking things up. I understand judges and refs need protection from everybody from the commission but still that doesn't mean there untouchable.



i watched the fight again...and i can see how she scored it a draw....
Jack 1000
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 19 2013, 07:37 PM) *
i watched the fight again...and i can see how she scored it a draw....


I think she planned for Canelo to propose to her after the fight, or hates Mayweather so much!! Or else corruption or incompetence. She gave him rounds just by Canelo coming forward, (ineffective aggression.) The range of scores is anywhere from a shutout to no closer than a four point edge for Floyd. Even my shit stream 7-3-2 Floyd is too close I would say. 8-4 is the best you can do for Canelo, and that's even biased.

Jack
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