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Dolimite
With the success of "The One" GB and Showtime are flying high (not higher than Oscar...sorry). GB is a big part of Showtime boxing. It has been obvious for years that Richard Schaefer has been the one running GB and he is doing a hell of a job. Since Oscar's recent visit to rehab, it seems that GB could survive without him. Would dismissing Oscar from his GB duties be a major blow to GB? Does Oscar appearances add to promotion or is he a distraction? In this last promotion of "The One" Oscar went a little of overtop he even looked high at Canelo's media day workout. Question is: should GB dismiss Oscar and could it still be successful with Oscar in a very limited role? or do they need Oscar to continue to sell their brand?

Does anyone think Oscar not being at the fight hurt Canelo's psyche?
daprofessor
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 20 2013, 05:05 PM) *
With the success of "The One" GB and Showtime are flying high (not higher than Oscar...sorry). GB is a big part of Showtime boxing. It has been obvious for years that Richard Schaefer has been the one running GB and he is doing a hell of a job. Since Oscar's recent visit to rehab, it seems that GB could survive without him. Would dismissing Oscar from his GB duties be a major blow to GB? Does Oscar appearances add to promotion or is he a distraction? In this last promotion of "The One" Oscar went a little of overtop he even looked high at Canelo's media day workout. Question is: should GB dismiss Oscar and could it still be successful with Oscar in a very limited role? or do they need Oscar to continue to sell their brand?

Does anyone think Oscar not being at the fight hurt Canelo's psyche?


like the president....he's just a figurehead. without him....it's business as usual. schaefer is the guy running shit.
bnoles4life
They need Oscar. They need a way to touch those Hispanic fans (especially the ones that wear skirts...dang, that could be Oscar, too.). Like Professor mentioned, Schaefer is running it, but Oscar is the "face" of that brand. Would it crumble w/o him? No. Would it still be successful? Yes. Would it be better w/ Oscar in and around the affairs? Definitely. As much as I loathe DLH, he's instrumental in certain aspects of that company's success. I mean, who else are they going to get to "dupe" Mexican fans against Floyd? LOL. Seriously, he's that bridge b/t "mainstream" boxing and Mexican/Hispanic fans. As terrible as his prognostications are, many of that demographic listen to him. Say what you will, HE was as much as ANYONE, the reason this recent PPV did so well. Even though his addiction struggles have been embarrassing, it's not like he's killing business...a la The Bobfather over there at Top "Shank". No, he's helping GBP make a killing in THE business.

To me, GBP is McDonald's and Oscar is Ronald....can you imagine them severing ties?
bnoles4life
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 20 2013, 06:05 PM) *
With the success of "The One" GB and Showtime are flying high (not higher than Oscar...sorry). GB is a big part of Showtime boxing. It has been obvious for years that Richard Schaefer has been the one running GB and he is doing a hell of a job. Since Oscar's recent visit to rehab, it seems that GB could survive without him. Would dismissing Oscar from his GB duties be a major blow to GB? Does Oscar appearances add to promotion or is he a distraction? In this last promotion of "The One" Oscar went a little of overtop he even looked high at Canelo's media day workout. Question is: should GB dismiss Oscar and could it still be successful with Oscar in a very limited role? or do they need Oscar to continue to sell their brand?

Does anyone think Oscar not being at the fight hurt Canelo's psyche?


Yo...I'm sorry, my man, but the first thing I see when you post is DLH bent the f*ck over.....I can't even read your sh*t dude...LMBO!!!!! I literally have to place my hand over your sig....I'm laughing now!!!
checkleft
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 20 2013, 05:13 PM) *
like the president....he's just a figurehead. without him....it's business as usual. schaefer is the guy running shit.

This

I always see schaeffer and other guys doing things, Oscar pretty much just the face. Plus they have bhop who in his own right is a pretty smart dude. I think Oscar feels safe leaving the company in their hands for his absence
Dolimite
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Sep 20 2013, 03:07 PM) *
Yo...I'm sorry, my man, but the first thing I see when you post is DLH bent the f*ck over.....I can't even read your sh*t dude...LMBO!!!!! I literally have to place my hand over your sig....I'm laughing now!!!

I hate my sig! Dude kinda looks like a girl. A very ugly girl....

I hate clowns so if Ronald McDonald were to disappear, I wouldn't care. Plus, who the fuck eats McDonalds!!!!
bnoles4life
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 20 2013, 08:27 PM) *
I hate my sig! Dude kinda looks like a girl. A very ugly girl....

I hate clowns so if Ronald McDonald were to disappear, I wouldn't care. Plus, who the fuck eats McDonalds!!!!


Well.....now, you're just lashing out.....
Dolimite
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Sep 20 2013, 07:41 PM) *
Well.....now, you're just lashing out.....

I am lol
mrchitown
Oscar ain't going nowhere, wish a muthafucka would try to dismiss me from something with my name on it. Schaefer is the dude who everybody has to deal with, we all k ow he running the shit but Oscar serves his purpose. I think he should maybe take a step back for a while and get himself together. Hopkins can step in a bit more and Schaefer is always on point. He needs to get his demons in check
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 21 2013, 12:13 PM) *
Oscar ain't going nowhere, wish a muthafucka would try to dismiss me from something with my name on it. Schaefer is the dude who everybody has to deal with, we all k ow he running the shit but Oscar serves his purpose. I think he should maybe take a step back for a while and get himself together. Hopkins can step in a bit more and Schaefer is always on point. He needs to get his demons in check

Chi, if you where a major holder in GB productions would you really want Oscar around. You just said that Hopkins was a great stand in and Schaefer is the fucking man. So what purpose does Oscar serve beside giving the blue print to beat Mayweather to his fighters?
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 21 2013, 06:17 PM) *
Chi, if you where a major holder in GB productions would you really want Oscar around. You just said that Hopkins was a great stand in and Schaefer is the fucking man. So what purpose does Oscar serve beside giving the blue print to beat Mayweather to his fighters?


Well how would Schaefer have gotten into boxing without Oscar? I haven't ever seen or heard if him before De LA Hoya was around him. They both need each other like Sam Rothstein and Nick Santuro laugh.gif they both serve a purpose

It's clear that Richard is the day to day business man of Golden Boy but Oscar I'd the fscr.of golden boy since he is the golden boy. Bernard is and can hold it down buy hour has said some off the wall shit in his day just like Oscar has.

I don't see what the problem is really. Who's he hurting besides himself with the addiction? He hadn't done anything to screw over any if his fighters, at least not that we know of. So why would he need to be relieved from a company bearing his name?
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 21 2013, 04:26 PM) *
Well how would Schaefer have gotten into boxing without Oscar? I haven't ever seen or heard if him before De LA Hoya was around him. They both need each other like Sam Rothstein and Nick Santuro laugh.gif they both serve a purpose

It's clear that Richard is the day to day business man of Golden Boy but Oscar I'd the fscr.of golden boy since he is the golden boy. Bernard is and can hold it down buy hour has said some off the wall shit in his day just like Oscar has.

I don't see what the problem is really. Who's he hurting besides himself with the addiction? He hadn't done anything to screw over any if his fighters, at least not that we know of. So why would he need to be relieved from a company bearing his name?



Liability. DO you think that Canelo's performance may have had a averse effect on Canelo? It could...

Do you really want a coke head and an alcoholic being the face of a multimillion dollar company? I mean shit, they fired CEO's for being unstable. The dude CEO if Twitter lost his fucking job and place in his own company for being unstable. Come on.
Franchize
I think GB would be stupid to try and move him out. Why? Schaeffer is doing his thing just fine and let's face it...there are still SOME ODLH minions that believe everything he says. So every Mexican he endorses and "gives the blueprint" will undoubtedly equal a few thousand PPV's to fans that simply don't know any better. In other words, if it ain't broke (and GB is far from broke) don't fix it.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 21 2013, 06:31 PM) *
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Liability. DO you think that Canelo's performance may have had a averse effect on Canelo? It could...

Do you really want a coke head and an alcoholic being the face of a multimillion dollar company? I mean shit, they fired CEO's for being unstable. The dude CEO if Twitter lost his fucking job and place in his own company for being unstable. Come on.


GB don't have board members, that's just as much Oscar's company as it is Richard's. It's plenty of other ceo's and execs who are the face of their companies who do questionable things.

He ain't no liability lol. And Idk you keep running with this thing about Canelo being affected by his performance. He performed well he just lost to someone better then him. He's going to be champ again and there are big fights out there for him still. Plus he'd only 23, he's still learning and he will get better. It will be a cold day in hell before we see him not involved with GB which is a company that bares his name.

He's trying to deal with his issues and that at least shows some good signs, should Ricky Hatton fork over his promo company since he was addicted to drugs. Or should Mayweather give more control to Ellerbe because it's clear he ain't that in control if his own team as evidenced by that tasteless shit that was sent out about Oscar in his instagram.

Mayweather doesn't control his accounts hour leaves that up to employees and this isn't the first time this has happened. So should he relinquish some control of his empire. Do you want a avid gambler and guy who seems to trick on women as the face of your company? This is what others would say to you. It goes both ways but the fact is there's nothing wrong with what Floyd is doing and there's nothing wrong on Oscar's end either. He's a liability to himself not the company
xxxxxx
Of course GB is better off with the Golden Boy. Could they survive without him longterm...possibly, but much better off with him being Visual and Mentoring/promoting his fighters. Oscar is Good for the sport.
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 22 2013, 08:57 AM) *
GB don't have board members, that's just as much Oscar's company as it is Richard's. It's plenty of other ceo's and execs who are the face of their companies who do questionable things.

He ain't no liability lol. And Idk you keep running with this thing about Canelo being affected by his performance. He performed well he just lost to someone better then him. He's going to be champ again and there are big fights out there for him still. Plus he'd only 23, he's still learning and he will get better. It will be a cold day in hell before we see him not involved with GB which is a company that bares his name.

He's trying to deal with his issues and that at least shows some good signs, should Ricky Hatton fork over his promo company since he was addicted to drugs. Or should Mayweather give more control to Ellerbe because it's clear he ain't that in control if his own team as evidenced by that tasteless shit that was sent out about Oscar in his instagram.

Mayweather doesn't control his accounts hour leaves that up to employees and this isn't the first time this has happened. So should he relinquish some control of his empire. Do you want a avid gambler and guy who seems to trick on women as the face of your company? This is what others would say to you. It goes both ways but the fact is there's nothing wrong with what Floyd is doing and there's nothing wrong on Oscar's end either. He's a liability to himself not the company



Whoever put that shit out on May's Twitter should be fired, but at the same time it made me chuckle. It was tasteless but funny...

As far as May being a gambler and a damn sponsor to his stable of chics, that would concern the hell out of me. His money and time could be going to other meaningful things. But its his money. I think Ellber has a better understand on the business end and as long as he keeps his boss grounded he should be okay.

I keep bringing up the Caenlo and Oscar thing is because Oscar has been Canelo's biggest supporter. I don't think Schaefer got behind Canelo the way Oscar has. Perhaps I making a moll into a mountain, I'll take that.

If Oscar can't get his shit together I think we will be seeing less and less of him. More of Bernard maybe.
emd01
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 21 2013, 04:31 PM) *
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Liability. DO you think that Canelo's performance may have had a averse effect on Canelo? It could...

Do you really want a coke head and an alcoholic being the face of a multimillion dollar company? I mean shit, they fired CEO's for being unstable. The dude CEO if Twitter lost his fucking job and place in his own company for being unstable. Come on.

I look at your avvie and my sig and think would you want that running a multimillion dollar company laugh.gif .
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 22 2013, 02:29 PM) *
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Whoever put that shit out on May's Twitter should be fired, but at the same time it made me chuckle. It was tasteless but funny...

As far as May being a gambler and a damn sponsor to his stable of chics, that would concern the hell out of me. His money and time could be going to other meaningful things. But its his money. I think Ellber has a better understand on the business end and as long as he keeps his boss grounded he should be okay.

I keep bringing up the Caenlo and Oscar thing is because Oscar has been Canelo's biggest supporter. I don't think Schaefer got behind Canelo the way Oscar has. Perhaps I making a moll into a mountain, I'll take that.

If Oscar can't get his shit together I think we will be seeing less and less of him. More of Bernard maybe.


And the same thing you said about Ellerbe and Floyd and their dealings can be applied to ODLH and Schaefer. But Oscar does need to try to put the demons to rest, I can only hope that he does. I was disappointed when Tyson revealed he was still struggling with his addiction. It takes time but people have to be willing to fight it. As far as Canelo, I saw some frustration from him, I re watched the fight last night and his youth worked against him. How do you be so foolish enough as to try to outbox a master boxer? Their gameplan was doomed from the start of the opening bell. I'm kinda in agreement with that he needs a new trainer. That was a weak strategy to go into the biggest fight of your fighters career
bnoles4life
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 21 2013, 03:13 PM) *
Oscar ain't going nowhere, wish a muthafucka would try to dismiss me from something with my name on it. Schaefer is the dude who everybody has to deal with, we all k ow he running the shit but Oscar serves his purpose. I think he should maybe take a step back for a while and get himself together. Hopkins can step in a bit more and Schaefer is always on point. He needs to get his demons in check


Thank you. Golden Boy continues to run and get better due to Schaefer. Golden Boy is who they are b/c of the name. You think GBP doesn't need Oscar? To quote Clay Davis: "Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit"
Amandla
I hate Oscar these days. i got his autobiography, followed his career and saw him as a decent fighter but I didn't think he was as great as he was hyped to be and Floyd proved me right.

And thats what hurts him. The only good thing he has done for boxing is set up GBP and he should be taking care of business.

Right now he's being a class A asshole. With his addictions he's an embarassment to the sport.
Franchize
QUOTE (Amandla @ Sep 22 2013, 09:32 PM) *
I hate Oscar these days. i got his autobiography, followed his career and saw him as a decent fighter but I didn't think he was as great as he was hyped to be and Floyd proved me right.

And thats what hurts him. The only good thing he has done for boxing is set up GBP and he should be taking care of business.

Right now he's being a class A asshole. With his addictions he's an embarassment to the sport.


Wait what? read.gif


On another note,

You can't take for granted the quality young Mexican fighters than are drawn to Golden Boy simply because of Oscar's stardom and legacy. He's an asset to that company. I just wish he'd stop saying he has the blueprint on how to beat Floyd. If you do, rip that shit up. It hasn't worked for you or anyone else lol
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 22 2013, 03:42 PM) *
And the same thing you said about Ellerbe and Floyd and their dealings can be applied to ODLH and Schaefer. But Oscar does need to try to put the demons to rest, I can only hope that he does. I was disappointed when Tyson revealed he was still struggling with his addiction. It takes time but people have to be willing to fight it. As far as Canelo, I saw some frustration from him, I re watched the fight last night and his youth worked against him. How do you be so foolish enough as to try to outbox a master boxer? Their gameplan was doomed from the start of the opening bell. I'm kinda in agreement with that he needs a new trainer. That was a weak strategy to go into the biggest fight of your fighters career

Funny you should say that because when I re-watched the fight I was like "This dude is going to try and outbox Mayweather" Just when I said it I think it was Farhood who said that Canelo is using the wrong strategy. That he is not going to outbox the greatest boxing of this era. His corner fucked him over big time, They had idea how to make adjustments. By round 11 Mayweather Sr. actually stopped giving May instructions and was busy talking to the people in the crowd telling them that his son was the truth.
Chi, did you notice he started to tire in the later part of the 5th round. His whole demeanor changed. His shots were wide and loopy and he didn't have pop on them. Notice, Floyd took some flush shots and kept coming forward. The way he was fighting in the pocket was amazing. He was almost daring Canelo to hit him. It was a good fight.
emd01
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 23 2013, 07:54 AM) *
Funny you should say that because when I re-watched the fight I was like "This dude is going to try and outbox Mayweather" Just when I said it I think it was Farhood who said that Canelo is using the wrong strategy. That he is not going to outbox the greatest boxing of this era. His corner fucked him over big time, They had idea how to make adjustments. By round 11 Mayweather Sr. actually stopped giving May instructions and was busy talking to the people in the crowd telling them that his son was the truth.
Chi, did you notice he started to tire in the later part of the 5th round. His whole demeanor changed. His shots were wide and loopy and he didn't have pop on them. Notice, Floyd took some flush shots and kept coming forward. The way he was fighting in the pocket was amazing. He was almost daring Canelo to hit him. It was a good fight.

I was shocked at how thoroughly he beat Canelos ass. I knew Canelo would win at least 3 rounds but damn. He stood in front of a dude that outweighed him by 15 lbs and schooled him. I dont think Golovkin or Martinez has a chance against Floyd at 154. Too fast, too slick and too smart. The dude shocks with every performance.
mrchitown
QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Sep 22 2013, 06:53 PM) *
Thank you. Golden Boy continues to run and get better due to Schaefer. Golden Boy is who they are b/c of the name. You think GBP doesn't need Oscar? To quote Clay Davis: "Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit"


Exactly, they both serve a purpose, I don't know how successful each man would be without the other there backing him up. They work well together, and they're partnership has proven that
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 23 2013, 09:54 AM) *
Funny you should say that because when I re-watched the fight I was like "This dude is going to try and outbox Mayweather" Just when I said it I think it was Farhood who said that Canelo is using the wrong strategy. That he is not going to outbox the greatest boxing of this era. His corner fucked him over big time, They had idea how to make adjustments. By round 11 Mayweather Sr. actually stopped giving May instructions and was busy talking to the people in the crowd telling them that his son was the truth.
Chi, did you notice he started to tire in the later part of the 5th round. His whole demeanor changed. His shots were wide and loopy and he didn't have pop on them. Notice, Floyd took some flush shots and kept coming forward. The way he was fighting in the pocket was amazing. He was almost daring Canelo to hit him. It was a good fight.


You can see frustration beginning to set in around the 3rd and 4th rounds, he's so used to having his way in there that when it didn't work for him he didn't know how to react to it. Part of the blame should be on his team for not adjusting the strategy accordingly and calming Canelo down. You saw the difference in terms of intellect for each man's corner. Floyd was so tight the first few rounds that they were there for the taking for Canelo but he had a bad strategy and once it didn't work he just went the full 12rds

He ran out of steam because not only does he have a stamina issue but when your hitting mostly air it takes something out of you too. I would say the only thing that disappointed me about Canelo's performance was there was no backup plan. You hear all the time, and we heard it from his team that they would have a plan a,b, and c..it was nowhere to be found
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 23 2013, 04:52 PM) *
You can see frustration beginning to set in around the 3rd and 4th rounds, he's so used to having his way in there that when it didn't work for him he didn't know how to react to it. Part of the blame should be on his team for not adjusting the strategy accordingly and calming Canelo down. You saw the difference in terms of intellect for each man's corner. Floyd was so tight the first few rounds that they were there for the taking for Canelo but he had a bad strategy and once it didn't work he just went the full 12rds

He ran out of steam because not only does he have a stamina issue but when your hitting mostly air it takes something out of you too. I would say the only thing that disappointed me about Canelo's performance was there was no backup plan. You hear all the time, and we heard it from his team that they would have a plan a,b, and c..it was nowhere to be found

This may sound crazy, but I honestly think that they underestimated Mayweather. I honestly do not believe that they felt Mayweather was as good as people. were saying. Plus you did have Oscar pumping Saul with the whole I really beat Mayweather BS. Shit could not help. Even the fouls that Canelo was committing was out of frustration.

Sr. Told his son right, to calm down and relax. After the 4th round it was on!
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 23 2013, 08:52 PM) *
This may sound crazy, but I honestly think that they underestimated Mayweather. I honestly do not believe that they felt Mayweather was as good as people. were saying. Plus you did have Oscar pumping Saul with the whole I really beat Mayweather BS. Shit could not help. Even the fouls that Canelo was committing was out of frustration.

Sr. Told his son right, to calm down and relax. After the 4th round it was on!


Oscar's a promoter, he's doing what he's supposed to do but you may have a point about them underestimating him because that was a stupid strategy. Listening to Team Canelo in the buildup to the fight I didn't expect that kind of strategy from them
daprofessor
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 23 2013, 09:54 AM) *
Funny you should say that because when I re-watched the fight I was like "This dude is going to try and outbox Mayweather" Just when I said it I think it was Farhood who said that Canelo is using the wrong strategy. That he is not going to outbox the greatest boxing of this era. His corner fucked him over big time, They had idea how to make adjustments. By round 11 Mayweather Sr. actually stopped giving May instructions and was busy talking to the people in the crowd telling them that his son was the truth.
Chi, did you notice he started to tire in the later part of the 5th round. His whole demeanor changed. His shots were wide and loopy and he didn't have pop on them. Notice, Floyd took some flush shots and kept coming forward. The way he was fighting in the pocket was amazing. He was almost daring Canelo to hit him. It was a good fight.


i don't want to spoil the love fest for floyd here....but did anyone expect any different? this dude canelo has never fought a full 3 minutes of a round since i've watched him fight. barely fights half a round. he was struggling to make 154 and it was clear he was fading bad against trout....but now he fights floyd at 152 and he's supposed to look super energized? huh.gif


daprofessor
QUOTE (emd01 @ Sep 23 2013, 03:26 PM) *
I was shocked at how thoroughly he beat Canelos ass. I knew Canelo would win at least 3 rounds but damn. He stood in front of a dude that outweighed him by 15 lbs and schooled him. I dont think Golovkin or Martinez has a chance against Floyd at 154. Too fast, too slick and too smart. The dude shocks with every performance.


martinez is on his last leg...literally.

ggg is a beast and canelo is no where near as dangerous. i'd be shocked if floyd fights ggg. ggg has a tough fight in front of him now. i'm sure if he shows vulnerability in a win....floyd might reconsider.
bnoles4life
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Sep 23 2013, 07:47 PM) *
Exactly, they both serve a purpose, I don't know how successful each man would be without the other there backing him up. They work well together, and they're partnership has proven that


Think of it this way, w/o Schaefer, GBP doesn't have that "relationship" w/ Floyd, but w/o Oscar, there'd be no overmatched Mexicans for Floyd to embarrass.
mgrover
out of curiosity if anybody here was in charge of the game plan for Canelo, what would you of said? I would of had him attacking the body for a good 6 rounds, he won't be touching Mayweathers face anytime soon otherwise.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mgrover @ Sep 25 2013, 04:37 AM) *
out of curiosity if anybody here was in charge of the game plan for Canelo, what would you of said? I would of had him attacking the body for a good 6 rounds, he won't be touching Mayweathers face anytime soon otherwise.


intelligent pressure and body work is mandatory. u have to make floyd miss too. u give him time to think, sit back and rest...he's going to pick u apart.
Dolimite
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 25 2013, 10:46 AM) *
intelligent pressure and body work is mandatory. u have to make floyd miss too. u give him time to think, sit back and rest...he's going to pick u apart.

I don't think Canelo had the skill set to pull that off or the stamina. He was done by round 5. His face was flush and he seemed like he could not get off good shots. Again, when a 147 fighter can take a 165 punch to the face flush and still come forward then it is all bad. Shane rocked him and he was at 147. Saul just did not have it in him.
daprofessor
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Sep 25 2013, 01:05 PM) *
I don't think Canelo had the skill set to pull that off or the stamina. He was done by round 5. His face was flush and he seemed like he could not get off good shots. Again, when a 147 fighter can take a 165 punch to the face flush and still come forward then it is all bad. Shane rocked him and he was at 147. Saul just did not have it in him.


i knew he didn't have the skill set or stamina. he also didn't have the corner. how we train is how we fight. they got it all wrong.
Dolimite
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 25 2013, 11:21 AM) *
i knew he didn't have the skill set or stamina. he also didn't have the corner. how we train is how we fight. they got it all wrong.

All that bullshit about knocking out sparring partners left me suspicious, especially after looking them up. Saul's corner was shit! After the 5th round they told him "Now we start fighting!" I was like WTF! I knew that was it. Just bad management all around. Terrible!
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 25 2013, 12:46 PM) *
intelligent pressure and body work is mandatory. u have to make floyd miss too. u give him time to think, sit back and rest...he's going to pick u apart.


Easier said then done...he tried body work but the pressure was non-existent, how do you try to outbox a master boxer? That was crazy to me
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