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Col Reb
I think Martinez-Cotto will be a great fight, but now might be the opportunity for Martinez to get Floyd, a fight he's always claimed to want. Now there is not even a mention of it? I know he's been loyal to HBO but come on. He's not even an Arum fighter. If Martinez demolishes Cotto I don't think Floyd takes the fight, and if Martinez loses he can kiss any chance of getting Floyd goodbye. If I were his team I'd be pushing for Floyd (since Sergio looked vulnerable in his last fight) and have Cotto as a Plan B. Your thoughts?
checkleft
Settle for cotto? Do you know the pay day he could possibly fuck up by stirring those waters? Lol, at 38 coming off injuries and back to a division with fresh faces at the tail of his career you think he is that stupid? Lmao
mrchitown
Why go for the loss when you can go for the win
checkleft
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Oct 14 2013, 10:08 PM) *
Why go for the loss when you can go for the win

No lie
bnoles4life
"If Martinez demolishes Cotto I don't think Floyd takes the fight"

In the words of DMX, "Here we go again....."
BoxingStill#1
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Oct 14 2013, 11:08 PM) *
Why go for the loss when you can go for the win


Lol... In a nutshell
Franchize
My guess is he wants to continue fighting lol. Him and Pacquiao peaked in popularity partially on the notion that they somehow were the biggest threats to Floyd and that he didn't want to fight them. I say fight Cotto. Make that money that Cotto is sure to generate. Then maybe try your luck. If you don't get passed Cotto, then you weren't beatin Floyd anyway lol
jtiizzle
because sergio has a exclusion contract with HBO and floyd has a exclusive contract with SHOWTIME
Cshel86
QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 14 2013, 10:50 PM) *
Settle for cotto? Do you know the pay day he could possibly fuck up by stirring those waters? Lol, at 38 coming off injuries and back to a division with fresh faces at the tail of his career you think he is that stupid? Lmao

At this point, Sergio's been trying his best to land fights against Manny and Floyd, to no avail. If he lands a Cotto fight after all of that trying, then that would sure be better than ending his career while fighting any other meaningless (read: not good for his career) fights.
BigFightFan
Cotto is the best money fight for Martinez at this point, besides a JCCJR rematch. Plus the Floyd fight would produce another catch weight situation for Floyd to explain since he publicly frowned upon catch weights. Also who wants to see Martinez drain all the way down to 152 or 154 just for a payday?
Dolimite
I don't think Sergio's style matches up well with Mayweather. Given he has good foot movement, and he is a talented fighter but he doesn't have the skill set to fuck with May. Plus coming back from a serious knee injury will not work well with a fighter like Mayweather, he moves well and Sergio will have to rely on his legs if he wants to pop May. He ain't no Chavez Jr., who just stood in front of Sergio. The way Cotto fought his last fight is tailor made for Sergio, come forward no defense. He can make money off of Cotto. And remember, Sergio isn't the most popular name when it comes to casual fans.
klonopinz
come forward no defense? cotto was catching tons of punches in that fight. hes actually got really good defense. but i dont expect you to notice. your too busy staring at "may's" cock
klonopinz
cotto knew he could push through delvin because he couldnt be hurt by him after feeling his power. cotto is a tactician. he doesnt fight stupid fights. hes experienced and knows how to fight each man in front of him. he uses the strategy that works best with his opponent and best with his strengths. he boxed delvin the first round, used good defense, then realized he could end the fight and blow past the fool. so he did. he would not do that to martinez. he is much more well rounded that murray, murray humiliated martinez IMO. i think cotto has a great chance
klonopinz
martinez looks good against big dumb fools who come forward with their face and try to pressure him. cotto is a boxer puncher who specializes in body attack. that will take martinez legs away late in the fight. not to mention martinez;s piss poor hands down bullshit that got him counterpunched to shit and dropped in front of his home country. he will get outboxed and then dropped by cotto too
checkleft
QUOTE (klonopinz @ Oct 16 2013, 05:31 PM) *
martinez looks good against big dumb fools who come forward with their face and try to pressure him. cotto is a boxer puncher who specializes in body attack. that will take martinez legs away late in the fight. not to mention martinez;s piss poor hands down bullshit that got him counterpunched to shit and dropped in front of his home country. he will get outboxed and then dropped by cotto too

Well I hope we get to find out bro. If it does I got sergio by late stoppage with cotto outboxing him a few of the first rounds. Cotto has a good skill set but he has been at best average on defense..
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 15 2013, 12:10 PM) *
At this point, Sergio's been trying his best to land fights against Manny and Floyd, to no avail. If he lands a Cotto fight after all of that trying, then that would sure be better than ending his career while fighting any other meaningless (read: not good for his career) fights.



I haven't seen or heard of anything that he has remotely done to try and bring either fight into fruition, I have heard him name drop on both fighters to gain himself some notoriety though but if you have something else on this like (they've been in contract negotiations) then please share that with us.

Thanks
checkleft
^^ yea like Floyd and Arum would flock to the opportunity to negotiate with a small middleweight southpaw that's been knocking dudes out left and right (at the time) and swears he can make a 152-154 catchweight fight for them and had little to no name in order to sell a fight. I enjoy watching martinez but come on bro let's be realistic..
HyyerBlaze
Maybe he doesn't want to have to go down in weight for Floyd?

Idk...still think its the best fight to be made still.
Cshel86
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Oct 19 2013, 06:15 PM) *
I haven't seen or heard of anything that he has remotely done to try and bring either fight into fruition, I have heard him name drop on both fighters to gain himself some notoriety though but if you have something else on this like (they've been in contract negotiations) then please share that with us.

Thanks

It's only so much that he could've done, at the times that he did call out Floyd and Manny. Of course, all that he was able to do, was call them out and say that he'll drop down to fight them. Looks like Bradley and Guerrero were successful, but of course Tim had to sell his soul, and Guerrero was already with GBP.

At that time, Floyd was inactive in the sport (months before the Ortiz fight was even thought of) and Sergio was knocking out small MWs every 4 or 5 months, so it looked like he was locked in at MW. Floyd had only fought at 54 once, so it didn't seem like an entertaining fight. Manny had only fought at 54 once, and it appeared that he would never make that trip again.

I guess its safe to say that Sergio did what EVERYBODY did...call them out endlessly, but nobody took the bait. He just looked too good in the ring, at that time, so I guess it was mostly his fault. Lol
mrchitown
QUOTE (klonopinz @ Oct 16 2013, 04:31 PM) *
martinez looks good against big dumb fools who come forward with their face and try to pressure him. cotto is a boxer puncher who specializes in body attack. that will take martinez legs away late in the fight. not to mention martinez;s piss poor hands down bullshit that got him counterpunched to shit and dropped in front of his home country. he will get outboxed and then dropped by cotto too


Sergio's style is awkward. The Paul Williams that Sergio fought twice would've mopped the floor with Miguel Cotto. Your rallying around a dude who really should be fighting at welterweight to beat a MW who beat a dude who comes in weighing in at cruiserweight. Sergio Martinez is quicker then him, has better footwork then him and has more pop then him. They thought the same thing you saying when he fought Trout. Austin could've knocked his ass out but he didn't go for the kill. When Martinez hurts him he will finish him. Sergio is too athletic for Miguel
checkleft
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Oct 21 2013, 12:07 PM) *
Sergio's style is awkward. The Paul Williams that Sergio fought twice would've mopped the floor with Miguel Cotto. Your rallying around a dude who really should be fighting at welterweight to beat a MW who beat a dude who comes in weighing in at cruiserweight. Sergio Martinez is quicker then him, has better footwork then him and has more pop then him. They thought the same thing you saying when he fought Trout. Austin could've knocked his ass out but he didn't go for the kill. When Martinez hurts him he will finish him. Sergio is too athletic for Miguel

People forget how avoided Paul was and how much of a problem the guy was stylisticly and in terms of size. Like Lucas I think sergio got jobbed a few times and earned his due the hard way.

But I agree 100% he's just to strong and athletic for cotto. Im still surprised cotto is even interested in this fight at all. But cotto is always interested in fighting the best and setting his legacy, much respect.
Franchize
I don't know who manages Cotto but they've historically done a terrible job. I'm all for a guy challenging himself, but to me, you take risks against risky fighters when they're most lucrative. You don't fight Austin Trout right after people are sucking your dick for your performance vs Floyd. Trout was super high risk, low reward. You don't fight Manny, allbeit weight drained, fresh off of a fight in which Clottey (in my opinion) put it on you. You don't fight Sergio Martinez when people's excitement for him has tapered down a bit (due to close fights, signs of age and injuries) when you got a blow job for your over-hyped last performance courtesy of HBO. He's one of the few guys that deserve to bask in their glory a bit lmao. Never seen a fighter so eager to give up their momentum laugh.gif If you are so eager to get the breaks beat off of you, you could have at least just fought Canelo when he was "the next big thing." At least you would have secured a big pay day lol. You're gonna go and get fucked up by Sergio and let Bob take 32%? wtf.gif

I know I'm being hard on the guy and what he's doing should be viewed as admirable but damn. Sit back and admire your work for a change lol So eager to get that ass whooped
mrchitown
QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 21 2013, 12:55 PM) *
People forget how avoided Paul was and how much of a problem the guy was stylisticly and in terms of size. Like Lucas I think sergio got jobbed a few times and earned his due the hard way.

But I agree 100% he's just to strong and athletic for cotto. Im still surprised cotto is even interested in this fight at all. But cotto is always interested in fighting the best and setting his legacy, much respect.


I don't see a way that Cotto can contend with the strength and athletic ability of Martinez. He's going to take Miguel to school. I too commend Cotto for taking these kinds of fights but I think this particular time he should've got a few more wins and then went after the big fight. He just seems to get a win, lose fire his trainer, win again then everybody says the old Cotto is back then when he gets starched it's oh Miguel is done, he should retire. If he gets in that ring with Martinez he's going to get retired that beat down might be worse then the one he took from Margarito
Franchize
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Oct 22 2013, 10:40 AM) *
I don't see a way that Cotto can contend with the strength and athletic ability of Martinez. He's going to take Miguel to school. I too commend Cotto for taking these kinds of fights but I think this particular time he should've got a few more wins and then went after the big fight. He just seems to get a win, lose fire his trainer, win again then everybody says the old Cotto is back then when he gets starched it's oh Miguel is done, he should retire. If he gets in that ring with Martinez he's going to get retired that beat down might be worse then the one he took from Margarito


Do you think if he somehow beat Martinez, it puts him top 5 Pound for Pound?
checkleft
QUOTE (Franchize @ Oct 22 2013, 10:58 AM) *
Do you think if he somehow beat Martinez, it puts him top 5 Pound for Pound?

Despite martinez struggles as of late the guy is still a top ten p4p guy in my opinion. If he somehow can stand martinez power and athletic ability he is definitely gonna be in the conversation for top ten, fuck all that sergio is washed up talk that will probably take place. This is a dude who in his last two fights with injuries has stood up to guys who could easily be fighting 1 or 2 weight classes above him. That would be a great win for miguel
mrchitown
QUOTE (Franchize @ Oct 22 2013, 09:58 AM) *
Do you think if he somehow beat Martinez, it puts him top 5 Pound for Pound?


That's a good question, if Miguel was somehow able to beat Martinez then he's definitely in that top 10 and some may make the case for top 5. Miguel would definitely be in my top 10 if he beats Sergio. It's a winnable fight for Miguel just imo I think that Martinez has a little more left to give to the sport then Cotto at this point
emd01
Well, its very refreshing to read that Cotto isnt set on a fight with Martinez and is still considering a Mayweather rematch or a fight with Canelo. I'd much rather see him fight Canelo than take a beating from Martinez and he'd make more money fighting the man child than he would Martinez' big ass.
MAHDI
Martinez KOs Cotto... Cotto took some serious punishment against Floyd to add onto his already shopworn armour--he was lumped up pretty good. His last match was an aberration againts a guy that idolized him. Martinez at 160 will brutally stop Cotto at 154 he will take a beating over the course of 12 rounds- Cotto is finito- Sergio is being written off over some lackluster performances, yet he has not been 100% physically and in his last bout the dude was training in his hotel room due to political upheaveal in argentina.. Sergio has taken less punishment and he will beat the crap out of Cotto and retire him
Dolimite
Would anyone be interested in seeing a Cotto vs. Mayweather rematch, especially if Cotto beats SM?
emd01
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Oct 25 2013, 09:23 AM) *
Would anyone be interested in seeing a Cotto vs. Mayweather rematch, especially if Cotto beats SM?

I'd buy it even without the SM fight. Would be curious to see what approach Cotto would take in a 2nd match up.
Franchize
QUOTE (emd01 @ Oct 28 2013, 11:56 AM) *
I'd buy it even without the SM fight. Would be curious to see what approach Cotto would take in a 2nd match up.

I agree with this. Given the way Floyd has whitewashed his last two opponents, you can't really turn your nose up to a fight that was at least competitive the first time around. I think Floyd would beat the breaks off of him even worse this time around. That being said, it's worth it. At one point, I was even cool with Floyd rematching the now yoked Juan Manuel Marquez. I'd be a hypocrite to say no to this.
klonopinz
the difference in the trout fight was cotto tried to box him instead of hurt him to the body. i think his passion was gone for that fight also. i think hes in a do or die state right now and hes motivated, plus roach has his offense dialed in awesome. i havent seen miguel punch that well in a while, he was super fast and had great fluididy and whip in his shots. he was puting his combos together well also. mechanicaly he looks great IMO.

but you cant say that the cotto back in the day around the time of williams, at 147 around 2006 wouldnt be a beast. he would be ripping williams to the body, williams was overated IMO. he got counterpunched to shit by lara, koed by sergio, even tho the first fight sergio got tagged up also. and he only really beat a past his prime winky, and margarito in his prime, thats his big win next to martinez. even quintana beat him, an cotto ate quintana alive. williams at 147 was so skinny, a cotto body shot would have folded him in half IMO.

Austin trout aint knocking out shit, he couldnt even land a good shot on canelo ffs.

sergio used to be "too athletic" for miguel, but that was 4 years ago. sergio is ripe for the picking right now while miguel has be reinvigorated. i think sergios knee injury has totally ruined his style. now he cant fight like he used to, he is forced to trade shots to to toe now, like in his murray and chavez fights. he doesnt all the time, but he is forced to now way more than ever because he is older and hes breaking down. golovkin would retire him, so i think cotto is a perfect fight. IMHO sergio is actually a legit 154 pounder who became famous beating dumb slow middleweights, when he fought 154 lbs and 147 lbs he had more problems because these guys could actually keep up wit his agility and speed.

sergio will have trouble trying to box cotto, cotto will expose him because sergios best punch is that sneaky left hand lead that he uses, where he ducks his head down low to his right and throws a small looping left hand thru his opponents jab. that is a perfect punch to try on cotto because he will be leaning right into miguels left hook to the body and/or head. he will move right into it and get KOed himself. not to mention he will get jabbed to death by cottos strong left hand power jabs. his hands are down and he will get picked apart by cottos jab.
checkleft
QUOTE (klonopinz @ Oct 30 2013, 06:27 PM) *
the difference in the trout fight was cotto tried to box him instead of hurt him to the body. i think his passion was gone for that fight also. i think hes in a do or die state right now and hes motivated, plus roach has his offense dialed in awesome. i havent seen miguel punch that well in a while, he was super fast and had great fluididy and whip in his shots. he was puting his combos together well also. mechanicaly he looks great IMO.

but you cant say that the cotto back in the day around the time of williams, at 147 around 2006 wouldnt be a beast. he would be ripping williams to the body, williams was overated IMO. he got counterpunched to shit by lara, koed by sergio, even tho the first fight sergio got tagged up also. and he only really beat a past his prime winky, and margarito in his prime, thats his big win next to martinez. even quintana beat him, an cotto ate quintana alive. williams at 147 was so skinny, a cotto body shot would have folded him in half IMO.

Austin trout aint knocking out shit, he couldnt even land a good shot on canelo ffs.

sergio used to be "too athletic" for miguel, but that was 4 years ago. sergio is ripe for the picking right now while miguel has be reinvigorated. i think sergios knee injury has totally ruined his style. now he cant fight like he used to, he is forced to trade shots to to toe now, like in his murray and chavez fights. he doesnt all the time, but he is forced to now way more than ever because he is older and hes breaking down. golovkin would retire him, so i think cotto is a perfect fight. IMHO sergio is actually a legit 154 pounder who became famous beating dumb slow middleweights, when he fought 154 lbs and 147 lbs he had more problems because these guys could actually keep up wit his agility and speed.

sergio will have trouble trying to box cotto, cotto will expose him because sergios best punch is that sneaky left hand lead that he uses, where he ducks his head down low to his right and throws a small looping left hand thru his opponents jab. that is a perfect punch to try on cotto because he will be leaning right into miguels left hook to the body and/or head. he will move right into it and get KOed himself. not to mention he will get jabbed to death by cottos strong left hand power jabs. his hands are down and he will get picked apart by cottos jab.

If were gonna do this whole "he beat the guy who beat him" thing (that is not the best way to argue a point in boxing) than Williams beat margs very handily who beat cotto once and was on his way to catching cotto late again in the second fight if it wasnt for the very involves ny doctors and ref.

Williams is not an easy fight for anyone.

I respect cotto a lot so Idk why your making excuses for him in the trout fight when he himself never made an excuse. It isn't trouts fault that cotto supposedly fought him without passion. Sergio is basically a stronger faster trout, cotto wouldn't be able to hold up to him for twelve.
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