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Franchize
I know this fight is long gone now but I just was curious if anyone had seen this lol. For the record, I had Manny winning this fight but not nearly as "dominant" as others.
mitukczuk
Must be those new glasses, Jim......Probably. Killed me !!

Good vid...
bnoles4life
Yeah, someone posted this a few mths after the fight and it even made some websites. I had Manny winning the fight, but hey, wth do I know?
mrchitown
Seen this before lol
checkleft
This is from a while back. Still funny tho
BrutUalBK
Worse case of jockriding I've ever had the displeasure of hearing, and to think there are people out there who still believe that Manny won this fight as well, I thought Pacquiao lost that fight and I agree with the judge who awarded him the fight even though she got it clearly wrong in the last fight.
Franchize
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Oct 21 2013, 09:23 PM) *
Worse case of jockriding I've ever had the displeasure of hearing, and to think there are people out there who still believe that Manny won this fight as well, I thought Pacquiao lost that fight and I agree with the judge who awarded him the fight even though she got it clearly wrong in the last fight.

I thought Manny won but I didn't think he looked good at all. I only think he won because, while Bradley made him miss a bunch of times, he didn't make him pay. If you dodge a bunch of punches and get hit by one, but then not return fire, I can't give you the nod. Manny Pacquiao on the other hand got WAY too much credit for his performance. "Excellent Footwork"? Ha! His footwork was atrocious. He lunged with his left hand to the point where his back foot left the ground. He, and every other Freddie Roach fighter for that matter, couldn't cut off the ring to save his life. He threw away some rounds because he was chasing Bradley. It was a poor tactical bout from both fighters in my opinion.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (Franchize @ Oct 21 2013, 08:46 PM) *
I thought Manny won but I didn't think he looked good at all. I only think he won because, while Bradley made him miss a bunch of times, he didn't make him pay. If you dodge a bunch of punches and get hit by one, but then not return fire, I can't give you the nod. Manny Pacquiao on the other hand got WAY too much credit for his performance. "Excellent Footwork"? Ha! His footwork was atrocious. He lunged with his left hand to the point where his back foot left the ground. He, and every other Freddie Roach fighter for that matter, couldn't cut off the ring to save his life. He threw away some rounds because he was chasing Bradley. It was a poor tactical bout from both fighters in my opinion.



Well you focused on only one element of the scoring in regards to why you thought Tim lost it whereas I focused on all the other elements that seemingly gets overlooked nowadays in this action-junkie generation of scoring "boxing" matches these days like:
Ring Generalship
Defense
Effective Aggression

And while we're at it, let's not forget that TB's jab basically controlled this fight and was never accounted for in the scoring, somehow all of those things were grossly overlooked and all anyone seemingly focused on is what they thought Manny Pac was landing or how much damage they ASSumed he was doing.

Regardless whether or not I made my point or you believe you made yours, I know we're just going to have to agree to disagree based on what I've stated above.
Jack 1000
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Oct 21 2013, 08:23 PM) *
Worse case of jockriding I've ever had the displeasure of hearing, and to think there are people out there who still believe that Manny won this fight as well, I thought Pacquiao lost that fight and I agree with the judge who awarded him the fight even though she got it clearly wrong in the last fight.


I remember the video from the first time it was posted about a week after the fight. I thought Manny won 116-113 or 116-112. No way the shutout that HBO had. Their Manny favoring bias was terrible. But for the life of me, I could not give Tim more than four rounds. Brutal, what did you see that Duanne Ford and CJ Ross saw who scored 115-113 for Bradley in giving him the fight? What was YOUR score?

Jack

PS. Brutal, sorry I missed your post above and read your reasoning now. I think Bradley did the things you described, However, I don't think he did them often enough to win the fight or even force a draw. There were times when Bradley's footwork was not good, And to his credit, he fought fairly well with bad feet. Maybe he could have won without controversy with good feet. In my view, Tim's jab was good, just not enough to win.
Franchize
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Oct 21 2013, 09:59 PM) *
Well you focused on only one element of the scoring in regards to why you thought Tim lost it whereas I focused on all the other elements that seemingly gets overlooked nowadays in this action-junkie generation of scoring "boxing" matches these days like:
Ring Generalship
Defense
Effective Aggression

And while we're at it, let's not forget that TB's jab basically controlled this fight and was never accounted for in the scoring, somehow all of those things were grossly overlooked and all anyone seemingly focused on is what they thought Manny Pac was landing or how much damage they ASSumed he was doing.

Regardless whether or not I made my point or you believe you made yours, I know we're just going to have to agree to disagree based on what I've stated above.


Actually, you're incorrect. As others can attest to, I'm a HUGE fan of tactical boxing. I just didn't think either fighter fought a sound tactical fight. I thought Manny and Tim were sloppy. Tim's defense was good. Not great but good. I thought his ring generalship was poor because, while he was making Manny miss, he backed himself into corners allowing for the illusion of Manny hurting him and landing punches that really weren't landing at all. Tim was often off balance, as was Manny. Manny was more aggressive but it was far from effective. Tim started landing his jab solidly in the later rounds. I gave him 2 of the last 3 rounds and scored one even. I thought Tim's body work went under-appreciated in the later rounds as well. I've said repeatedly that there were a lot of punches Manny missed that HBO was raving about. After all, I am the one who posted the video for this thread. I didn't see much damage to either fighter. I just felt Tim didn't seize the opportunity to make Manny pay like he should have. I think the injury had a lot to do with it. That was a nasty twist. I thought it was messed up, also, that Lampley was trying to act like Diaz was making up some phantom injury for the entire fight. There was clear video evidence of Tim twisting his ankle.
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Franchize
When I saw Lampley crying in the Gatti v Ward documentary, I thought of this in the back of my head lol

checkleft
The bad part about this is... I've seen shades of this creep over to showtime lately. If they keep it up, in my opinion, the commentary from HBO is gonna win me over. Showtime lacks the enthusiasm that lampley and kellerman bring. And Idk about you guys but Roy is becoming one of my favorite commentators in the sport. He knows his shit and you can tell he genuinely enjoys being there.

If showtime keeps it up the excitement hbos team brings and especially Roy will edge them out in my opinion.
Franchize
I don't know man. I like Showtime's commentary. I could do without that Mauro Renallo guy. He doesn't know when punches land or miss. I wish they would let Gus Johnson do the big fights. I'm with you on Roy and Kellerman though. I think they're cool. Lampley's foolishness often overshadows them though and Merchant used to complete drown them out with his nonsensical blabbering.

BTW, anyone know why Steve Farhood barely talks now during fights. I remember when Showtime was less popular, him and Bernstein seemed to split the commentary duties. Now, he barely speaks. Is he like the Harold Letterman equivalent now?
mrchitown
I like Showtime better, if they swapped out Ranallo for Gus then it would be a total wipe out, but they're unbiased and every guy over there is knowledgeable and brings something different to the commentary. Over at HBO, even during the fight, Lampley was trying to hard to keep up with RJJ. Like he was a pro fighter. Kellerman, I'm still on the fence about him. Both bring different assets to their respective networks and I like the change of pace Showtime brings
checkleft
Idk man, they were on canelos jock in the trout fight and my dude was sitting there pink as fuck sucking air like he just finished a triatholon.
Cshel86
QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 22 2013, 05:18 PM) *
The bad part about this is... I've seen shades of this creep over to showtime lately. If they keep it up, in my opinion, the commentary from HBO is gonna win me over. Showtime lacks the enthusiasm that lampley and kellerman bring. And Idk about you guys but Roy is becoming one of my favorite commentators in the sport. He knows his shit and you can tell he genuinely enjoys being there.

If showtime keeps it up the excitement hbos team brings and especially Roy will edge them out in my opinion.

Showtime lacks enthusiasm (or so it appears), because they aren't trying to blow smoke up our asses (for agenda purposes) and reach for "memorable" moments in fights. Lampley and Kellerman are repeat offenders, and its sickening.

You can tell on this past Saturday, they were ITCHING for Alvarado/Provonikov to turn into a brawl. It seemed like every little punch that they thought would turn it into a Gatti/Ward fight, they were all over it. They did the same with the Rios/Alvarado rematch, and were sitting on their thumbs just waiting for JMM to land that "sleeper" punch on Bradley.

I've always liked Roy, and Im sure that I always will. He had me crying about the "fish guts and deer heart" stuff that he said about Ruslan. I mean damn Roy, just say "PEDs' for fuck's sake, lol. I would've expected him to mentioned Ruslan's eating habits and childhood, earlier in the fight...not when he put Mike on queer street. laugh.gif
Jack 1000
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 23 2013, 08:50 AM) *
Showtime lacks enthusiasm (or so it appears), because they aren't trying to blow smoke up our asses (for agenda purposes) and reach for "memorable" moments in fights. Lampley and Kellerman are repeat offenders, and its sickening.

You can tell on this past Saturday, they were ITCHING for Alvarado/Provonikov to turn into a brawl. It seemed like every little punch that they thought would turn it into a Gatti/Ward fight, they were all over it. They did the same with the Rios/Alvarado rematch, and were sitting on their thumbs just waiting for JMM to land that "sleeper" punch on Bradley.

I've always liked Roy, and Im sure that I always will. He had me crying about the "fish guts and deer heart" stuff that he said about Ruslan. I mean damn Roy, just say "PEDs' for fuck's sake, lol. I would've expected him to mentioned Ruslan's eating habits and childhood, earlier in the fight...not when he put Mike on queer street. laugh.gif


HBO feels compelled to cater to the MMA crowd by doing what they can to make every fight a war, or a pom-pom parade for the HBO contracted fighter. We know about controversial scores from judges for house fighters. What about controversial commentary from HBO commentators for their contracted house-fighters, which are now almost exclusively Top Rank material. Lamply is now a master at this. And Kellerman who was an independent thinker when he first came to the network is now a Merchant wanna-be who tries to create controversy even when it isn't there. Of course Jim Gray at Showtime does this all the time. However, Showtime doesn't push a pom-pom agenda for the star fighter nearly as much as HBO does. Showtime is more classy and professional. Now if HBO would dump Jim Lamply and Showtime would dump Jim Gray.

Roy Jones is the best thing to happen to HBO for a long time. Andre Ward makes a solid effort, but he doesn't have Roy's leadership commentary qualities.

Jack
Franchize
Peep this if you haven't seen it before. Disregard the title. It's misleading. Funny how Roy kinda takes a jab on the low. Ironically, it appears he's talking about Merchant and Lampley somewhat.
checkleft
QUOTE (Franchize @ Oct 23 2013, 08:15 PM) *
Peep this if you haven't seen it before. Disregard the title. It's misleading. Funny how Roy kinda takes a jab on the low. Ironically, it appears he's talking about Merchant and Lampley somewhat.

He does this constantly on the air. He's easily my favorite commentator right now, and he just seems so happy to be there.
Franchize
QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 23 2013, 11:27 PM) *
He does this constantly on the air. He's easily my favorite commentator right now, and he just seems so happy to be there.

Yea he's one of my favorites. I've grown to be a big fan of Bernstein over the last year. Mainly because of his knowledge of the sport. He just seems to eat, drink and sleep boxing. He reminds me of the late great Bert Sugar. Roy is definitely up on my list though. I like Paulie because he defends tactical boxing and he knows how to keep his personal quarrels out of his commentary for the most part. I like Andre Ward. Antonio Tarver is a far better commentator than he is a fighter lol All in all, there's no need for Lampley anymore IMO lol
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (Franchize @ Oct 22 2013, 07:37 PM) *
I don't know man. I like Showtime's commentary. I could do without that Mauro Renallo guy. He doesn't know when punches land or miss. I wish they would let Gus Johnson do the big fights. I'm with you on Roy and Kellerman though. I think they're cool. Lampley's foolishness often overshadows them though and Merchant used to complete drown them out with his nonsensical blabbering.

BTW, anyone know why Steve Farhood barely talks now during fights. I remember when Showtime was less popular, him and Bernstein seemed to split the commentary duties. Now, he barely speaks. Is he like the Harold Letterman equivalent now?



Renalo is the new Lampley, this dude calls punches that aren't even landing at all and he's always missing punches that land.
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