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Jack 1000
My judgement is that this will be fireworks! It's a 50/50 fight, because many say that Rios is tailor made for Manny, but who knows how well or not well Manny has recovered from the knockout by Marquez? Rios will be there and Manny will have to take a lot as well. Will this be an all-out brawl? A tactical boxing match? Or both?

I wish it was NOT in China. Seriously, Oriental Populations respond to fireworks or amazing things in boxing as though they are attending the opera. It will be Saturday, November 23@9PM(ET)/6PM(PT) on PPV. (Don't know what time that is in China.) Cost is $59.95 for SD broadcast and $69.95 for the HD broadcast.

Jack

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KSUN247
Manny will win a close decision. Rios can box a little when he wants, but he doesn't move his head enough. His straight forward style is what Manny likes. If he decides to box and move a little, I think he has enough pop in his punches to keep Manny off-balance a little. If Rios decides to fight straight up, he'll be in for a long night. I think he'll play smart for a bit, then result to brawling. It will be a very good fight. They will try to box for a bit, then go to what they do best. Both will go down during the fight, but Manny gets the decision.
xxxxxx
I don't see anyway Pacquiao loses this fight. Pacman is just too fast for Rios. 116-112 Pac.
mrchitown
I think Manny will knock him out, I'd be surprised if it goes the distance. I just think that Manny is too quick and Rios stalks too damn much. Sure he'll be there as long as he's standing up but he doesn't have the stuff to trouble Pacquiao. He does have a puncher's chance but that's all I see. Rios wins if Pacquiao is seriously diminished from that JMM KO. But I don't see it, Manny is going to overwhelm Brandon and stop him
Jack 1000
Pacquiao by UD (close)

115-113 and 116-112 (twice)

Jack
pimpfighterROQ
I don't see Pacquiao knocking Rios out. I see this as a hard 12 rounder just like PacvMargarito. But I'm going with my gut and say it'll be a stoppage win for Pacquiao. Rios is too slow and loads up on punches. Pacquiao wont be there to have rock'em sock'em robots with Rios.


Pacquiao by late TKO stoppage
Plah
Pac by late stoppage seems like the most likeliest outcome
checkleft
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Nov 1 2013, 02:44 PM) *
I think Manny will knock him out, I'd be surprised if it goes the distance. I just think that Manny is too quick and Rios stalks too damn much. Sure he'll be there as long as he's standing up but he doesn't have the stuff to trouble Pacquiao. He does have a puncher's chance but that's all I see. Rios wins if Pacquiao is seriously diminished from that JMM KO. But I don't see it, Manny is going to overwhelm Brandon and stop him

Ding ding ding. Winner
klonopinz
do you think brandon rios is marer than JMM, do you think rios is a better fighter then cotto, margo, mosley, hatton, de la hoya, bradley, and all those guys that manny whooped on? i dont think so. so i dont see it happening. i see manny boxing and frustrating rios, then tko'ing him mid fight
Cshel86
Never seen Rios fight effectively from the outside...I've only seen him go for the gusto with brawling on the inside. Never seen Manny even have to fight on the inside, ever. At best, I've seen Bradley attempt a few clinches with Manny, but it looked awkward, and was very brief.

Depending on the ref (if he's not too much of a Pac fan), we may not even get to see Rios fight on the inside. It puts me in the mindset of Cortez, when he wouldn't allow Hatton to maul and brawl with Floyd in a nasty game of fighting on the inside.

Nonetheless, Manny was kicking Juan's butt in the 4th fight (aside from the 3rd round and the KO), and he looked sharper than ever in that fight. Now, that fight motivation for Manny (to end the Marquez saga for good), but Im not sure what his motivation is for the Rios fight. Of course he wants to prove that he still has it, but Im not sure if Rios is that opponent that will bring that fire out of him.

All in all, I already mentioned in the GGG/Stevens thread...Im giving as much logical input as I can, but Im going for the underdogs for the rest of the year. I think Rios can clip him, put him on the canvas, or even stop him. laugh.gif

Now that I think about it, Rios owes Bob a favors for those jacked up cards in the Abril fight...maybe Rios pulls a Clottey in this one. I pray not. Lol
pimpfighterROQ
seriously Cshel? Lol I like going for underdogs too. But have you seen how Rios looks in training in Ellie Seckback youtube vids? I know lookin good training is not a indication of a sure win in a fight but daamn that boy looks slow as fuck. Throws hooks slow and wide. He does not possess the timing of Marquez to catch him.


Rios needs to work his jab. He has a strong jab shown in Alvarado II. And if he could learn anything from his Papa Margarito is that he jabbed Pacquiao which bothered him quite often in the early rounds. Even Bradley jabs bothered Pacquiao.
Dolimite
I picked Pac by decision. First off, this fight is a fucking shame. Brother Bob is already saying if Pac looks good then the Mayweather fight will happen next year! I am not buying this shit, too close to Black Friday, I need a new Fridge and my kid wants a Nabi. The thing that bothers me about this fight is that, its the same ingredient for a Pac fight. Instead of fighting a fighter coming off a win he is fighting someone coming off a war and a loss. It is typical Pac match making. Mike A, should be fighting in November not Brandon. I think Brandon will knock Manny down twice in the fight but he ain't winning. Be sure to hear all the HBO cheerleaders going ape shit crazy over Pac. Enjoy the fight fellas.
Jack 1000
Does Pacquiao Believe Rios is Another Hatton?

Interesting article from Yahoo/Boxing Scene:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/manny-pacquia...00130--box.html

I think Manny's speed will be the difference, but how well has he recovered from getting KO'd from a fighter who is not noted as a big puncher? Also what roll do you think drug testing may play in this fight? Could it be lax as the bought is in China, and therefore seemingly not subjected to the same type of improved standards that Floyd Mayweather and other boxing commissions have talked about in recent years?

Jack
pimpfighterROQ
I think what Manny Pacquiao said about using the Hatton gameplan is using more of his right hook. I've been watching his mitt workout and I saw him using it more often than usual. Everyone gameplans of studying and avoiding his left hand. Bradley, Marquez and Mosley has shown how to do it.
mgrover
supposedly they sent a sparring partner home, Pacs sparring partner, saying he didnt fit the mould more or less. Anybody think Pacs being dropped in sparring?
Cshel86
QUOTE (mgrover @ Nov 6 2013, 07:41 PM) *
supposedly they sent a sparring partner home, Pacs sparring partner, saying he didnt fit the mould more or less. Anybody think Pacs being dropped in sparring?

That's usually why sparring partners get sent home, at least to my knowledge...unless they're getting sent home with injuries and so on. Who knows though...they typically do stuff like this with Manny leading up to his fights.

His focus is questioned, Freddie's always worried, Ariza's the stepchild, Koncz is just in the way, and articles are published when Manny passes gas...not much has changed over the years. Manny's probably as sharp as a razor right now, lol.
checkleft
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 6 2013, 10:34 PM) *
That's usually why sparring partners get sent home, at least to my knowledge...unless they're getting sent home with injuries and so on. Who knows though...they typically do stuff like this with Manny leading up to his fights.

His focus is questioned, Freddie's always worried, Ariza's the stepchild, Koncz is just in the way, and articles are published when Manny passes gas...not much has changed over the years. Manny's probably as sharp as a razor right now, lol.

This

Or maybe dude was trying to show manny up instead of trying to give manny that "Rios" type of style.
HyyerBlaze
QUOTE (mgrover @ Nov 6 2013, 07:41 PM) *
supposedly they sent a sparring partner home, Pacs sparring partner, saying he didnt fit the mould more or less. Anybody think Pacs being dropped in sparring?

No they said his body couldn't fit any mold cuz manny beat his bones to sillyputty.
Jack 1000
WOW!!!

No votes for Rios yet! I still pick Manny, but this is going to be a tough fight for both.

Jack
Cshel86
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Nov 13 2013, 11:23 PM) *
WOW!!!

No votes for Rios yet! I still pick Manny, but this is going to be a tough fight for both.

Jack

It's just something about these damn polls Jack...as soon as I click a check box, I just lose my train of thought. Even when I'm creating a poll, I do the opening thread post first, THEN I go back and create the poll. This has been an embarrassing trait of mine, for a while now.

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mgrover
See I think Mannys going to hurt Rios, then go in for the kill. But the issue is when Rios is hurt he just throws punches, so we'll see how it goes.

Also it turns out am not here for this, instead am in Amsterdam biggrin.gif
Jack 1000
Officals Named- Credit Box Rec:

referee: Genaro Rodriguez (Illinois) | judge: Lisa Giampa (Nevada) | judge: Michael Pernick (Florida) | judge: Manfred Kuechler (Germany)


Seems OK, but is Lisa Giampa experienced enough for a fight of this magnitude?

Jack
KOpower
The only real question is what does Manny have left? He looked pretty good in that 4th JMM fight until the KO. He was beating JMM easier in that fight than the previous 3. How much did that one punch KO take from him? If he is like the old Pac, he smokes Rios in a fight that could become dangerous for Bam Bam. If Pac is not the same, I think Rios has a chance.

If Pac wins, I think it sets us up for a rematch with Tim Bradley.
mgrover
QUOTE (KOpower @ Nov 15 2013, 05:39 PM) *
The only real question is what does Manny have left? He looked pretty good in that 4th JMM fight until the KO. He was beating JMM easier in that fight than the previous 3. How much did that one punch KO take from him? If he is like the old Pac, he smokes Rios in a fight that could become dangerous for Bam Bam. If Pac is not the same, I think Rios has a chance.

If Pac wins, I think it sets us up for a rematch with Tim Bradley.


Am sure if daprofessor was around he'd say that Marquez was there for the KO and not there to win on points. He wasn't trying to outbox Pac etc etc. Where is he anyways?
Jack 1000
Typical weak Top Rank Card undercard. This better be a great fight or a big upset by Rios to be worth $60 PPV-SD-$70PPV-HD.

From BoxRec:

Cotai Arena, Venetian Resort, Macao, Macao S.A.R., China

welterweight Manny Pacquiao SC Brandon Rios 12

featherweight Evgeny Gradovich SC Billy Dib 12

heavyweight Andy Ruiz Jr SC Tor Hamer 10

lightweight Ik Yang SC Hero Tito 8

flyweight Zou Shiming SC Juan Tozcano 6


super featherweight Felix Verdejo SC Duanaaymukdahan Petchsamuthr 6

super flyweight Rex Tso SC Susu Sithjadaeng 6

light middleweight Kuok Kun Ng SC You-Jie Zeng 4

******************************************************************

Fights in bold are expected to be a part of the PPV telecast.

Jack
mrchitown
I'm not paying for no TR PPV. I'm hitting a sports bar up, I'd rather pay $10 then $60 for their usual underwhelming cards. I like Tor Hamer and Andy Ruiz jr, don't really care for Zou. Hopefully these fights end early and the main event comes up quickly
Franchize
In addition to the reasons mrchitown mentioned, I'm not paying for a PPV of 2 fighters coming off of definitive L's. I think that fact is being conveniently overlooked. These guys are being promoted extra hard on HBO but both are coming off of losses. Meanwhile, Ward and Rigondeaux get put to the back burner.
Cshel86
QUOTE (pimpfighterROQ @ Nov 5 2013, 01:27 AM) *
seriously Cshel? Lol I like going for underdogs too. But have you seen how Rios looks in training in Ellie Seckback youtube vids? I know lookin good training is not a indication of a sure win in a fight but daamn that boy looks slow as fuck. Throws hooks slow and wide. He does not possess the timing of Marquez to catch him.


Rios needs to work his jab. He has a strong jab shown in Alvarado II. And if he could learn anything from his Papa Margarito is that he jabbed Pacquiao which bothered him quite often in the early rounds. Even Bradley jabs bothered Pacquiao.

Oh yes, I'm definitely going for the underdog! Rios isn't the fastest guy in the world, but when you least expect it, he catches you with something short and quick. That shot will either hurt you, or force you into an inside fight. Lol

The jab will slow down the best of fighters, but we have to see how he deals with Manny's speed and that dormant right hook that he almost killed JMM with in their last fight. I want to see if Rios can cut off the ring, because Manny will avoid an inside fight at all costs.
Kratza
WAR Rios!! I voted for what I want to happen more than what I think will happen lol I want Rios to get the KO but I think Manny will take a decision
Gambit808
Anyone surprised this fight might flop even in China?

http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/u-s-b...-ppv-customers/
Jack 1000
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 19 2013, 08:39 PM) *
Anyone surprised this fight might flop even in China?

http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/u-s-b...-ppv-customers/


Good points in that article.

Jack
HyyerBlaze
Lol I hope Ariza gets arrested shit would be classic.
mgrover
Garcia has a smart boxing mind, or atleast I assume, does he honestly think Rios can beat Pac in any other way other than by homerun punch? I don't mean fixing cards, I mean outskilling Pac.
checkleft
QUOTE (mgrover @ Nov 21 2013, 01:55 PM) *
Garcia has a smart boxing mind, or atleast I assume, does he honestly think Rios can beat Pac in any other way other than by homerun punch? I don't mean fixing cards, I mean outskilling Pac.

Well in the second alvarado fight I did see adjustments by brandon. He showed a good, stiff Jab, and even some head movement... Sort of.
mgrover
QUOTE (checkleft @ Nov 22 2013, 11:24 AM) *
Well in the second alvarado fight I did see adjustments by brandon. He showed a good, stiff Jab, and even some head movement... Sort of.


Really? I mean I saw that from Alvarado but not Rios.
Gambit808
If this is suppose to be me my generations version of Muhammad Ali's famous prefight play-by-play prediction on his fight with Frazier, then we in trouble people lol.



I can't front, this shit is funny as hell..."THAT NIGGA GOT KNOCK THE FUCK OUT"! laugh.gif
xxxxxx
My initial prediction was Pacman by Decision, but starting to think Pacman beats him up late and corner/ref stop fight in 11 or 12. Everybody will start calling for Mayweather-Pacquiao in 2014.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 22 2013, 07:42 AM) *
If this is suppose to be me my generations version of Muhammad Ali's famous prefight play-by-play prediction on his fight with Frazier, then we in trouble people lol.



I can't front, this shit is funny as hell..."THAT NIGGA GOT KNOCK THE FUCK OUT"! laugh.gif

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I swear Rios is slightly retarded, and that big hat is making him look like a reatrd! Cant deny this dude though, he's a trip. "Oohhh kill 'em!" Lol
Jack 1000
QUOTE (xxxxxx @ Nov 22 2013, 11:41 AM) *
My initial prediction was Pacman by Decision, but starting to think Pacman beats him up late and corner/ref stop fight in 11 or 12. Everybody will start calling for Mayweather-Pacquiao in 2014.


It will never happen as long as Arum is involved. A purse split and Arum will keep treating Manny like he's an undefeated fighter. I wish Rios would win. Much as I love Manny, both fighters have my great respect, I would give ANYTHING for the Mayweather-Pacquiao talk to cease, and Rios has to win big for that to happen. Why people still want to see this fight is stupid. Floyd shut out the guy (Marquez) that could have ended Manny's career when Marquez knocked out Manny senseless.

How do you sell a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight that Manny now has an even lesser chance to win? It it was slim even BEFORE the Marquez KO. Public just does not get it!

Jack
xxxxxx
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Nov 22 2013, 06:09 PM) *
It will never happen as long as Arum is involved. A purse split and Arum will keep treating Manny like he's an undefeated fighter. I wish Rios would win. Much as I love Manny, both fighters have my great respect, I would give ANYTHING for the Mayweather-Pacquiao talk to cease, and Rios has to win big for that to happen. Why people still want to see this fight is stupid. Floyd shut out the guy (Marquez) that could have ended Manny's career when Marquez knocked out Manny senseless.

How do you sell a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight that Manny now has an even lesser chance to win? It it was slim even BEFORE the Marquez KO. Public just does not get it!

Jack


Pacquiao has a style that could trouble Mayweather. Especially if he is relentless and gives all angles. I'm not saying the fight will happen, I'm just thinking the talk with intensify if Pacman dominates Rios. In my opinion I think Pacquiao should fight Bradley if he is to win tomorrow night. Then, if he wins of course, makes Mayweather-Pacquiao a fight to make again.
Gambit808
How is it these guys (Khan & Pacquiao) can be mention as opponents to Mayweather now without even avenging KO losses, if not, decisive losses? Even from a buisness prospective, if both were to be considered for it, wouldn't their stock in the fight be worth a lot more by avenging at lease one of those losses, than just building off of tune up fights?
mrchitown
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 22 2013, 11:09 PM) *
How is it these guys (Khan & Pacquiao) can be mention as opponents to Mayweather now without even avenging KO losses, if not, decisive losses? Even from a buisness prospective, if both were to be considered for it, wouldn't their stock in the fight be worth a lot more by avenging at lease one of those losses, than just building off of tune up fights?


I don't think Khan should be a viable option but in also don't understand the avenge then losses theory. It's a new prerequisite to fights being made according to some now. Many had Manny beating Bradley and the case could be made that he beat JMM in their previous meetings. Now.all of a sudden he has to avenge his loss? I'm not on board with that, if he beats Rios and beats someone else then the public will demand it again. I never thought Pacquiao would beat Mayweather Jr and after his blast few performances I'm sure of it even more so now
The Original MrFactor
Manny has beaten bigger and better guys. Rios is a punching bag. Manny will look good and sharp against Rios and should end the fight within the distance.
MaxPayne
I can't see Rios quitting unless he gets put to sleep, which I'm not sure that Pacquiao is able to do anymore.

I'd say Pacman just hits him a lot and cleanly, while taking some shots himself, but ultimately winning a pretty wide decision.

checkleft
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 23 2013, 12:09 AM) *
How is it these guys (Khan & Pacquiao) can be mention as opponents to Mayweather now without even avenging KO losses, if not, decisive losses? Even from a buisness prospective, if both were to be considered for it, wouldn't their stock in the fight be worth a lot more by avenging at lease one of those losses, than just building off of tune up fights?

Pacs a draw. If he submits to floyds demands he will get the fight, at this time arum is just making it a drawing point for pac. I mean seriously this fight has little steam since the mayweather fire behind manny died out. Of course hes gonna mention Floyd before his fight, but based on the circumstances the fight is as dead in the water as can be. No way do I see Floyd going to Asia to fight manny who does not want to fight in the states anymore. And he also said he wouldn't fight manny with a TR banner involved. This is the same typical noise arum makes before every pac fight to draw flies to shit..

Khan doesn't deserve any part of the top players. He lost to lamont, got kod, and nearly got flattened by a lightweight. He should take some time to build some momentum again, maybe fight the winner of maidana broner or Robert guerrero, victor ortiz. Dude has nothing going for him right now other than being from Europe lol
Gambit808
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Nov 23 2013, 01:06 AM) *
I don't think Khan should be a viable option but in also don't understand the avenge then losses theory. It's a new prerequisite to fights being made according to some now. Many had Manny beating Bradley and the case could be made that he beat JMM in their previous meetings. Now.all of a sudden he has to avenge his loss? I'm not on board with that, if he beats Rios and beats someone else then the public will demand it again. I never thought Pacquiao would beat Mayweather Jr and after his blast few performances I'm sure of it even more so now

I agree to a degree with your post here, but in the case of my "avenging a loss theorie", I just feel when guys in both cases say "well you know, he got lucky. It was a lucky shot" making it sound as though that fighter didn't just have there number for that fight, or without there own mishaps, things shoulda coulda woulda been different... Ok then, if you're in the position to prove it, then do so. Nothing comes sweeter than revenge and when u look at the possible match ups waiting for either Bradley or Marquez or Pacquiao within the top rank stable, the most lucrative names on a short list are the fights they've either lost in or seemed the most vulnerable in if we look at it through a buisness perspective. If there is a better case of redemption other than facing the ones that made these fighters seem vulnerable at this stage Chi, then I'd like to know them.
Gambit808
QUOTE (checkleft @ Nov 23 2013, 05:25 AM) *
Pacs a draw. If he submits to floyds demands he will get the fight, at this time arum is just making it a drawing point for pac. I mean seriously this fight has little steam since the mayweather fire behind manny died out. Of course hes gonna mention Floyd before his fight, but based on the circumstances the fight is as dead in the water as can be. No way do I see Floyd going to Asia to fight manny who does not want to fight in the states anymore. And he also said he wouldn't fight manny with a TR banner involved. This is the same typical noise arum makes before every pac fight to draw flies to shit..

Khan doesn't deserve any part of the top players. He lost to lamont, got kod, and nearly got flattened by a lightweight. He should take some time to build some momentum again, maybe fight the winner of maidana broner or Robert guerrero, victor ortiz. Dude has nothing going for him right now other than being from Europe lol

Agreed.
sduck
Pacquiao by KO
Hotsauce
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Nov 23 2013, 02:06 AM) *
I don't think Khan should be a viable option but in also don't understand the avenge then losses theory. It's a new prerequisite to fights being made according to some now. Many had Manny beating Bradley and the case could be made that he beat JMM in their previous meetings. Now.all of a sudden he has to avenge his loss? I'm not on board with that, if he beats Rios and beats someone else then the public will demand it again. I never thought Pacquiao would beat Mayweather Jr and after his blast few performances I'm sure of it even more so now


Feel sorry for d rose
Cshel86
Cant wait for this damn fight to come on. The weigh-in was garbage, both guys are forced to be "buddies, and Arum has hired every human possible, to pretty much clutch at straws to see who says the most "interesting" thing about the fight.

It just spells "dud" to me. I mean, Arum has these guys in China taking pictures with each other, touring, kissing babies, shaking hands, and such...as if they're on vacation. Nothing about this, tells me that a fight is about to happen...nothing.

On top of that, the undercard is nothing to be impressed with. It's like Arum didn't even try...the same goes for the Chavez/Martinez and Bradley/Marquez card...he barely lifted a finger to make that undercar worth watching.

Manny's fights have never been "events"...the public just knows that he's getting ready to fight.
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