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Cshel86
http://www.boxingscene.com/magomed-abdusal...ed-coma---71280

Glad the doctors did the right thing in this situation...no need to allow things to get worse. That fight had to have taken a toll on both guys, but damn...

Hope Mago's okay...
mrchitown
Damn man, I hope that he's going to be alright. He put on a very good showing last night, but he took some serious punishment in there too. The doctors did the right thing, now let's hope we hear some good news on Monday
KSUN247
Hoping that he'll be OK. This is one of the hazards of the boxing business. We love to see action fights, but this can be the result of these type of fights. Hope he pulls through.
klonopinz
one day hbo's heros ill be in an induced fuckin coma and then ell have to see what lampley has to say about this fan friendly bullshit when pacquiao is dead. fuck hbo. im surprised provodnikov aint fuckin dead yet
DigitalBoom
QUOTE (klonopinz @ Nov 3 2013, 04:07 PM) *
one day hbo's heros ill be in an induced fuckin coma and then ell have to see what lampley has to say about this fan friendly bullshit when pacquiao is dead. fuck hbo. im surprised provodnikov aint fuckin dead yet


Dramatic much? It's part of the game, you choose to box you run the risk of permanent injury or death. You like chess others like war...to each their own. Every fighter can't be a boxer, some people have limited skills and have to rely on power. Plus I would like to point out that our level of savagery in boxing is nothing compared to 20 rounds of that shhh the way it used to be and many of those guys ended up ok when it was all written. His team should've stopped this fight because dude was more concerned with how he looked after the first round than in how bad he was getting whopped...same applies to the margarito vs pacquaio fight where even the fighter was asking the ref why he wasn't stopping it. What boxing needs is better doctors at ringside with actual neurological experience, them two doctors that look at him were merely observing his face puff up a good 5 inches and said nothing at all. Mago is ok, btw. He's awake from the induced coma but his career is most likely done.
Cshel86
QUOTE (klonopinz @ Nov 3 2013, 03:07 PM) *
one day hbo's heros ill be in an induced fuckin coma and then ell have to see what lampley has to say about this fan friendly bullshit when pacquiao is dead. fuck hbo. im surprised provodnikov aint fuckin dead yet

Do you always have to go full blown retard?

According to the law of averages (serially messing up, but doing something right by accident), you have a point. I'm wondering how HBO will act, if a fighter "doesn't pull through", since they're pushing this "blood & guts" agenda.

It seem that they're trying to make themselves, "Home of the Ward/Gatti fights", rather than embracing the sweet science, and enjoying slugfests...if they happen to occur.
Gambit808
In some ways, I'm not too surprised with this news. Hopefully this guy will be able to recover and get well of coarse, but after rewatching that fight it's hard to figure that both guys wouldn't be effected in the aftermath. Total different ball game when 200+lbs. Heavyweights are giving and taken punches like brawlers in lower weight classes.
klonopinz
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 3 2013, 04:36 PM) *
Do you always have to go full blown retard?

According to the law of averages (serially messing up, but doing something right by accident), you have a point. I'm wondering how HBO will act, if a fighter "doesn't pull through", since they're pushing this "blood & guts" agenda.

It seem that they're trying to make themselves, "Home of the Ward/Gatti fights", rather than embracing the sweet science, and enjoying slugfests...if they happen to occur.

am i at the right place, this is the internet isnt it? anyway, i just think that this attitude they give off puts the fighters in a horrible position of going out on their shield, or not being invited back, and if they lose, they wont be invited back, and if they win they might not either. it jsut sucks
Franchize
QUOTE (klonopinz @ Nov 4 2013, 08:11 AM) *
am i at the right place, this is the internet isnt it? anyway, i just think that this attitude they give off puts the fighters in a horrible position of going out on their shield, or not being invited back, and if they lose, they wont be invited back, and if they win they might not either. it jsut sucks

I get what you're saying. The lack of interest, support and importance placed on defense is a huge detriment to this sport. I just think you went a bit far trying to prove your point. Ultimately, everyone can't be Floyd and everyone can't be Manny Pacquiao. That said, there shouldn't be any fighter out there blocking punches with their face. Roberto Duran was about as aggressive a fighter as there is, but I've never seen a fight where he's putting his face out there to be hit. At the very least, move your head. At some point, boxing is going to look like Ricardo Mayorga fights. Sticking your face out to be punched for bravado.
checkleft
Didn't a dude die a few weeks ago from a clot after a fight as well? Man this is sad.
mrchitown
Abdusalamov had a stroke yesterday after his fever reached 104. Their setting up something so fans can donate to help with his family. Dude has 3 kids and he's married I believe, I'm really praying for him
Cshel86
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Nov 5 2013, 10:44 PM) *
Abdusalamov had a stroke yesterday after his fever reached 104. Their setting up something so fans can donate to help with his family. Dude has 3 kids and he's married I believe, I'm really praying for him

A stroke?! WTF???

Dammit man...this what happens when people get their "blood & guts" fix...they go back to their shitty jobs on Monday morning, while the fighter is stuck dealing with this.

No doubt, they know what they're signing up for, but had he been on a smaller platform (other than unforgiving HBO, who only wants blood & guts), then his corner probably would've stepped in and stopped it.
anthonyaccurate
I don't think he's in a SELF-induced coma, its a medically induced coma. I seriously doubt he took a barbiturate under his own power.
Jack 1000
QUOTE (anthonyaccurate @ Nov 6 2013, 01:14 AM) *
I don't think he's in a SELF-induced coma, its a medically induced coma. I seriously doubt he took a barbiturate under his own power.


To clarify,

A self-induced comma is when doctors put the fighter a comatose state to try to stabilize damage to the brain after it has occurred to keep it from getting worse. It is very sad situation. We may also get some quicker stoppages for awhile in boxing, especially if the Russian does not pull through. It can also be called a medically induced coma.

Jack

PS. Definition from Ask.com:

http://www.ask.com/question/what-is-a-self-induced-coma
mrchitown
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 5 2013, 10:50 PM) *
A stroke?! WTF???

Dammit man...this what happens when people get their "blood & guts" fix...they go back to their shitty jobs on Monday morning, while the fighter is stuck dealing with this.

No doubt, they know what they're signing up for, but had he been on a smaller platform (other than unforgiving HBO, who only wants blood & guts), then his corner probably would've stepped in and stopped it.


Yeah man, I had saw it on yahoo sports. He had the stroke when he got a fever that reached 104. I absolutely hate that this happened. No matter what sport it is but since it's boxing it's going to get that spotlight as the brutal side of the sport. I've seen fighters die in amateur fights with head gear on. Like literally 20 feet away from me.

They've said that his temperature has returned back to normal and his condition has stabilized. And the doctor said they still think he will recover but with brain injuries they said they can never tell for sure....the next few times that a fight is a slug fest with back and forth action it's going to get stopped. We may see it in a high profile fight like the Pacquiao fight coming up. If Manny is donminating Rios and his face is busted up they gon stop it and vice versa
Franchize
It's much like form tackling in football or learning how to take a hard foul in basketball, but with even more severe ramifications. How many coaches are teaching how to wrap up (football) and how to not low-bridge someone (basketball)? The "quick fix" is to for officiating to be overly involved for the time being until it blows over. Then the fans complain and they take a step back. When in fact, the REAL long term solution should be to start teaching kids fundamentals at an early age. How to defend. When and how to wrap up when you're injured. How to take a knee etc. Then have officiating coincide with the right way to do things. It's hard to do that when HBO, who for the time being, probably still has a slight edge as far as kingpin of casual boxing audience as a whole, demonizes the very thing that keeps fighters safe. Not to mention, Cshel and other know my beef with a lot of these neighborhood trainers turned "experts".
Jack 1000
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The next few times that a fight is a slug fest with back and forth action it's going to get stopped. We may see it in a high profile fight like the Pacquiao fight coming up. If Manny is dominating Rios and his face is busted up they gon stop it and vice versa


Yes, be prepared for early stoppages. Fighters should express this concern at the rules meetings just to make sure they aren't stopped ridiculously early. I hope we don't get a bunch of Tyson-Ruddock I's here. A lot of times after a tragedy, the commissions go on the safety extreme, like they often do in the UK. We may see potentially, "one knockdown rules in effect," potentially at the first sign of any trouble. If the Russian survives, this may last for about a month or so before we get back to conventional officiating. If he doesn't make it, extend that caution rate to a good two months.

It may not necessarily be at the level above, but be prepared for it. Ward-Gatti I round 9 type of action may not be allowed to happen for a few months.

Jack
klonopinz
this is definitely NOT at magomed signed up for. this happens in the sport, but not very often. most of the time guys bounce back fairly well, maybe some cuts, burises and maybe the occasional concussion, but the guy broke his hand, his cheek bone, hes got a clot in his brain. this is serious damage, like duk ku kim type of damage. i feel so bad for his family, this is exactly what mayweather is always talking about when he says the fans dont care about his family and the fact that they might have to deal with this as a result of taking punishment in the ring. ive heard him say this on numerous occasions regarding his "boring" style. maybe this will wake up some of the fans who think boxing is boring, maybe theyll realize why being able to box is important to fighters, without the fans and media condemning them like they did rigondeaux and floyd
Jack 1000
QUOTE (klonopinz @ Nov 6 2013, 06:47 PM) *
this is definitely NOT at magomed signed up for. this happens in the sport, but not very often. most of the time guys bounce back fairly well, maybe some cuts, burises and maybe the occasional concussion, but the guy broke his hand, his cheek bone, hes got a clot in his brain. this is serious damage, like duk ku kim type of damage. i feel so bad for his family, this is exactly what mayweather is always talking about when he says the fans dont care about his family and the fact that they might have to deal with this as a result of taking punishment in the ring. ive heard him say this on numerous occasions regarding his "boring" style. maybe this will wake up some of the fans who think boxing is boring, maybe theyll realize why being able to box is important to fighters, without the fans and media condemning them like they did rigondeaux and floyd


Excellent points!

Do you think HBO's war favoring commentary style, jump-started by Jim Lamply will change as a result of this incident? You know what I wish? I wish that Roy Jones and Evander Holyfield could see Magomed in the hospital and his condition. I wish that could be a wake up call for them to retire from boxing. Jones wants to fight Anderson Silva. Do people know how stupid and dangerous this match is, and why? It's like Roy and Evander are almost asking to die in the ring because they can't walk away. Maybe if they looked at Magomed, they would see the light.

Jack
mrchitown
QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Nov 6 2013, 04:43 PM) *
Yes, be prepared for early stoppages. Fighters should express this concern at the rules meetings just to make sure they aren't stopped ridiculously early. I hope we don't get a bunch of Tyson-Ruddock I's here. A lot of times after a tragedy, the commissions go on the safety extreme, like they often do in the UK. We may see potentially, "one knockdown rules in effect," potentially at the first sign of any trouble. If the Russian survives, this may last for about a month or so before we get back to conventional officiating. If he doesn't make it, extend that caution rate to a good two months.

It may not necessarily be at the level above, but be prepared for it. Ward-Gatti I round 9 type of action may not be allowed to happen for a few months.

Jack


Exactly, they are going to keep a tight leash on the fights for a while now. It may or may not be a bad thing depending on the situation at hand. But I'm not going to be shocked to see something where the ref or the ringside doctor stops the fight...i agree with you about RJJ and Holyfield. I've been worrying about them since the early part of the 2000's and I'm not even a big fan of Evander. Roy has been brutally knocked out a few times and I think it's going to take something dramatic for him to stop because he got money issues. I think he should stick to commentating and find other little avenues to get money


Evander is obviously in a hole financially and he keeps up this illusion of winning the HW title again. He may have beat Tyson in the ring but Tyson is kicking his ass post-boxing. Mike strapped for cash too but he ain't whoring himself around a boxing ring for a payday like these two. He's showing that it's other things to do to catchup and get money. They're going to get hurt if they're allowed to keep fighting. I wish the commissions would refuse to sanction them to fight...RJJ-Silva. I may be crazy but I think Roy wins.....and am I the only one who heard that rumor about Tyson-Holyfield 3?
MAHDI
This puts the sweet science in proper perspective--- the science is to hit and not get hit... People have a love affair with slugging and face fighting brutality in a manner that parallels the days when the Romans used to cheer as people would compete to the death or near death Gladiator style.
KOpower
QUOTE (klonopinz @ Nov 6 2013, 07:47 PM) *
this is definitely NOT at magomed signed up for. this happens in the sport, but not very often. most of the time guys bounce back fairly well, maybe some cuts, burises and maybe the occasional concussion, but the guy broke his hand, his cheek bone, hes got a clot in his brain. this is serious damage, like duk ku kim type of damage. i feel so bad for his family, this is exactly what mayweather is always talking about when he says the fans dont care about his family and the fact that they might have to deal with this as a result of taking punishment in the ring. ive heard him say this on numerous occasions regarding his "boring" style. maybe this will wake up some of the fans who think boxing is boring, maybe theyll realize why being able to box is important to fighters, without the fans and media condemning them like they did rigondeaux and floyd


But the fighters that fight the way you talk about fight that way because they can. The Russian doesn't have the skills and talent that Mayweather has. His nature is to slug and slug some more. Remember that he hadn't been beyond 5 rounds in any fight. Guys like him can't do what Mayweather does so they have to fight a different way. It just sucks that something like this happened and I hope the man pulls through.
xxxxxx
Any new updates of this situation? I watched this fight and I must say Magomed really showed some toughness by continuing to come forward and throw punches the entire fight.In my opinion if Mago doesn't suffer the broken nose early in the fight his Will would have edged Perez.
mrchitown
QUOTE (KOpower @ Nov 8 2013, 12:00 AM) *
But the fighters that fight the way you talk about fight that way because they can. The Russian doesn't have the skills and talent that Mayweather has. His nature is to slug and slug some more. Remember that he hadn't been beyond 5 rounds in any fight. Guys like him can't do what Mayweather does so they have to fight a different way. It just sucks that something like this happened and I hope the man pulls through.


That's an inaccurate statement. Plenty of fighters can avoid punishment and move around and win a fight, most of the times they don't. Look at Alvarado. He can box but he likes to be what's called fan friendly and Lamont Peterson, he's a good boxer he just gets lured easily into brawls because once he gets hit he wants to fight, Shane is like that to an extent and Holyfield is like that
Cshel86
Not trying to be cynical here, but is it safe to say that this guy will never fight again? If his purse wasn't enough to cover those crazy doctor bills, then something else needs to be done to insure that he's taken care of (other than this bullshit fundraiser that they're doing).
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