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Gambit808
No doubt about it, if BR still wants to compete with the top dogs around WW with a boxing IQ, it's gonna take some tweaking in his style, but is it to little, to late for that? Is his only shot at victory against those who would only "fight in a phone booth" with him or is he already good enough to compete with a grand game plan that can back him against the right guy?
Cshel86
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 25 2013, 06:08 PM) *
No doubt about it, if BR still wants to compete with the top dogs around WW with a boxing IQ, it's gonna take some tweaking in his style, but is it to little, to late for that? Is his only shot at victory against those who would only "fight in a phone booth" with him or is he already good enough to compete with a grand game plan that can back him against the right guy?

Nope, it's not. He wont be in a fight that huge again, unless he draws his own path. Put him in there with Marquez in April, then see how things go. Who knows though. IF he was put in there with Provodikov (Arum doesn't care about matching the losers of fights), and he actually wins, then he's back in there just like that.
klonopinz
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 25 2013, 06:39 PM) *
Nope, it's not. He wont be in a fight that huge again, unless he draws his own path. Put him in there with Marquez in April, then see how things go. Who knows though. IF he was put in there with Provodikov (Arum doesn't care about matching the losers of fights), and he actually wins, then he's back in there just like that.


provodnikov would finish off where manny started. ruslan would ko him. he actually has the power to put him out cold. rios is shit. hell just lose to anyone who can box.
Gambit808
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 25 2013, 06:39 PM) *
Nope, it's not. He wont be in a fight that huge again, unless he draws his own path. Put him in there with Marquez in April, then see how things go. Who knows though. IF he was put in there with Provodikov (Arum doesn't care about matching the losers of fights), and he actually wins, then he's back in there just like that.

Very possible. I don't think it would be smart though on Marquez's behalf, ignoring a rematch against Manny to fight a high risk, low reward fight against Rios because if he were to lose, it ends any significant payday and possibly retires him. That Bradley loss is crucial... For him and my sig lol.
Col Reb
Marquez is scared to fight Manny again; he's said as much in the press. They'll never have a fifth fight, because he wants to series to end exactly how it did and knows a fifth fight might end quite differently. It rubs me the wrong way, considering Manny gave him for rematches than were warranted.
Gambit808
QUOTE (Col Reb @ Nov 25 2013, 07:26 PM) *
Marquez is scared to fight Manny again; he's said as much in the press. They'll never have a fifth fight, because he wants to series to end exactly how it did and knows a fifth fight might end quite differently. It rubs me the wrong way, considering Manny gave him for rematches than were warranted.

Could u blaim Marquez though? If he is that content on not fighting him remains to be seen with the kind of $ that still can be made at this point, but a fight with Rios doesn't really do much for JMM legacy, if in fact that is what he is fighting for other than lucrative paydays.
Col Reb
I agree that Rios does nothing for Marquez. I wish Marquez were with Golden Boy; there are so many interesting fights over there for him.
Cshel86
QUOTE (klonopinz @ Nov 25 2013, 06:49 PM) *
provodnikov would finish off where manny started. ruslan would ko him. he actually has the power to put him out cold. rios is shit. hell just lose to anyone who can box.

Quite naturally, I'd agree, but Rios may survive a lot longer than Alvarado did, if they engage in a phone boot fight. He's a lot more skilled on the inside. As I predicted in the Pac fight, I've NEVER seen Rios fight effectively from the outside, and I've NEVER seen Manny fight a phone booth fight.

It was all up to whoever pushed their type of fight...which was Manny choosing to stay on the outside and pot shot him, until he was able to get in, land combinations, and step back outside. The only way Rios could've went through with an inside fight, is if he hurt Manny early, and stayed on him the whole time...but he was never really able to slow Manny down.

QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Nov 25 2013, 07:10 PM) *
Very possible. I don't think it would be smart though on Marquez's behalf, ignoring a rematch against Manny to fight a high risk, low reward fight against Rios because if he were to lose, it ends any significant payday and possibly retires him. That Bradley loss is crucial... For him and my sig lol.

Me either, I agree. Now that I think about it, Marquez lost a "close" fight to Bradley, so maybe's he's still the runner up. Put Manny in there against a guy that almost derailed his career, and hopefully he blows him away...then the REAL Manny Pacquiao would be "back". Actually finishing Marquez would be a feat within itself. Wait, why in the hell am I talking this fight up? I may be giving Arum ideas. laugh.gif
mgrover
No Rios, will be a gatekeeper or something. Basically Rios isn't a person or a fighter, Rios is a test for any up and coming boxer to be tested against, and if you fail, go improve your D, simple as that.

Also if Pac finishes Marquez and be the first guy to actually stops him am sure people would complain about how old Marquez is, and how Pacs had 5 fights to stop him in. Funny they don't say that about the KO...
Gambit808
QUOTE (mgrover @ Nov 26 2013, 07:33 PM) *
No Rios, will be a gatekeeper or something. Basically Rios isn't a person or a fighter, Rios is a test for any up and coming boxer to be tested against, and if you fail, go improve your D, simple as that.

Also if Pac finishes Marquez and be the first guy to actually stops him am sure people would complain about how old Marquez is, and how Pacs had 5 fights to stop him in. Funny they don't say that about the KO...

Marquez been getting that " he's an old fighter" talk since 09. He just been shutting dudes up like B-Hop pretty much. He's the Mexican B-Hop. If a fighter past their prime can't provide that shock value or they actually do get startched, then it's an automatic write off.

Speaking on your point on BR, I agree that, that could be the case. I'm starting to think they'll put him back in there with Alvarado next, and depending on if he is successful, he'll be in line for a Parodnikov or even Terrance Crawford... maybe.
kej718
Rios vs. Alverado

that is all
DigitalBoom
Rios could have lucrative career as an undercard fighter...pitch him in there against brawlers and he makes for a good show.
Franchize
Hell no. It's only just begun. He'll continue to be in fights with brawlers from now on until he has a solid performance and Arum decides to put him in the ring with yet another guy who he can't beat. The writing is already on the wall. His next fights will be against Provodnikov and Alvarado, in no particular order. Then, depending on how he does, he face a guy like Tim Bradley, who'll probably box his face off. The only time you're done in Top Rank is if you aren't "entertaining" enough. As long as he can get hit and keep coming forward, Arum will have a paycheck for him.
DolimiteII
I don't think Rios wants to change his fighting style. He likes getting the shit beat out of him and likes beating the shit out of other people when he can. look at all his fights. Same style nothing different. I worry about his health, he is already slurring his speech and he just looks lost most of the time. He will be a gate keeper for the up and coming fighters. He isn't a smart boxer and is limited on his weapons, what does Brandon do well but take punishment. I like Rios, a lot. he reps the Clippers and I dig that. But as a fighter is concerned, he is the broke man's Gatti.
mrchitown
Rios is far from done. He can beat many face first fighters such as himself at their own game and whether choose to believe it or not there are a few boxers he can beat. He won't beat any elite fighters though, I can't see him beating the upper echelon of fighters in and around his weight class
mgrover
he should also drop weight, 147 is not his class, he should realistically be at either 135-140
Gambit808
QUOTE (mgrover @ Nov 27 2013, 07:12 PM) *
he should also drop weight, 147 is not his class, he should realistically be at either 135-140

I'm not even sure he can make 140 anymore without killing himself to make weight, dude showed up on fight night as a Jr. Middleweight.
MAHDI
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Nov 27 2013, 06:39 PM) *
Rios is far from done. He can beat many face first fighters such as himself at their own game and whether choose to believe it or not there are a few boxers he can beat. He won't beat any elite fighters though, I can't see him beating the upper echelon of fighters in and around his weight class




"Face first fighters" LMAO----
mrchitown
QUOTE (MAHDI @ Nov 30 2013, 12:43 PM) *
"Face first fighters" LMAO----


I didn't lie though lol
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