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Dolimite
After reading an update about Magomed's condition I thought that somebodies fucked this dude over. The doctors are the main culprit. They did nothing to stop the punishment Mag was facing. They didn't even tell dude to go to the hospital after the fight was over. His corner should get two kicks in the ass. They saw their fight was done after the 6 round but literally forced him to finish. He wasn't responding to instructions and he wasn't even focused when they were talking to him. The ref, the ref saw that Magomed was done and did not wave off the fight. The judges and other ringside officials sat and watched this man take severe punishment. While Magomed showed great guts, he should of pulled an Ortiz and said fuck this. Now dude is just all messed up. He has a wife and three kids that do not know if their husband/daddy will ever speak to them. I think the NYSAC should be sued along with the promoters for that fight. It is a travesty and something has to be done. Can Magomed sue the people who had the power to stop the fight? Does he have a case? If you were in his corner or the ref what would of you done? I would of thrown in the towel by the 6 round or called the fight off.
checkleft
He should sue NYSAC no doubt, maybe they will get their shit in order after someone kos their pockets.

Tapia should do the same
Cshel86
Nope...he could've quit.
klonopinz
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 4 2014, 07:30 PM) *
Nope...he could've quit.

This is not valid. A fighter cannot be held responsible for what goes on in the ring, because he cannot see things from a clear perspective because he is in the fight, and his mentality of being a fighter will affect his on judgement. Not to mention the fact that maybe he didnt feel an imminent threat in the ring at that moment in the fight, but later on the damage set in. That is why there are ringside doctors and officials and a commision to oversee all these things and come to an educated and safe decision. I think the corner, the ref, the comission, the fighter himself, and the ringside doctor all failed. Magomed should have minded his defense. His corner should have stopped the fight after he stopped defending hmself and failed to perform instructions in the corner. The doctor should have looked at him more often and he shouldve been informed that magomed had suffered serious injuries in-fight. nobody communicated with eachother for the fighter's well being. magomed has an amateur corner, they are not professionals, they are more concered with saving face of geting their guy Kod or stopped than to save his health. mike perez should have motioned to the ref at some point to sstop the fight after he failed to defend himself. the ref shuld have seen magomed's face in beteen rounds and he would have known it as over. if that was bayless, he would have said hell no, un uh, this is over. i also blame hbo slightly for this fan friendly media blitz bullshit. i also blame boxing for allowing heavyweights to wear 10 oz gloves, i dont know if they were 20 oz or 12 oz, but it should be 12 oz at all times. no more 10 oz.
sduck
Yeah I think he should sue.
Cshel86
QUOTE (klonopinz @ Jan 4 2014, 08:29 PM) *
This is not valid. A fighter cannot be held responsible for what goes on in the ring, because he cannot see things from a clear perspective because he is in the fight, and his mentality of being a fighter will affect his on judgement. Not to mention the fact that maybe he didnt feel an imminent threat in the ring at that moment in the fight, but later on the damage set in. That is why there are ringside doctors and officials and a commision to oversee all these things and come to an educated and safe decision. I think the corner, the ref, the comission, the fighter himself, and the ringside doctor all failed. Magomed should have minded his defense. His corner should have stopped the fight after he stopped defending hmself and failed to perform instructions in the corner. The doctor should have looked at him more often and he shouldve been informed that magomed had suffered serious injuries in-fight. nobody communicated with eachother for the fighter's well being. magomed has an amateur corner, they are not professionals, they are more concered with saving face of geting their guy Kod or stopped than to save his health. mike perez should have motioned to the ref at some point to sstop the fight after he failed to defend himself. the ref shuld have seen magomed's face in beteen rounds and he would have known it as over. if that was bayless, he would have said hell no, un uh, this is over. i also blame hbo slightly for this fan friendly media blitz bullshit. i also blame boxing for allowing heavyweights to wear 10 oz gloves, i dont know if they were 20 oz or 12 oz, but it should be 12 oz at all times. no more 10 oz.

I agree with your points about who failed Magomed that night, but the rule "protect yourself at all times", applies at ALL times. I know that fighters have that warrior spirit and feel responsible for putting on a good show, but only Magomed knew what he was really feeling.

In street fights, there are rarely long enough breaks for both parties to regroup...let alone, 60 second breaks. A fighter is JUST as responsible for what goes on in the ring, than anybody else who has been put in place to protect them.

It's on the fighter to be sure of the outcome...that goes from relying on the ref, having confidence in the judges not to screw you over on the cards...and most of all, their own safety. I was always told in the workplace, if there appears to be hazards in the building, or I happen to sustain a minor injury (something as simple as banging my toe on the corner, or bumping my elbow), then it should be reported...regardless of how minor I think it is.

I was also told, "the life you save, may be your own". The same applies in the ring. How can you say that Magomed didn't feel an imminent threat in the ring at that time? He was in a fight, right? He did ask in between rounds, "Is my nose broke?", right? So yes, he felt something, and he had the chance to make the determination of whether or not he wanted to continue.

Magomed has to remember that, not only is he a fighter, he's a son, a husband, a father of 3 (I believe it's 3 kids), so his judgement should be THAT much better than fighters who can give a shit if they die in the ring. NOW, he can't be a father, husband, and everything else that he was before Nov. 2nd, because he had confidence in people who weren't wearing gloves and throwing punches that night.

How much do you wanna bet that every fighter who's witnessed that fight, will look out for themselves, before they leave it in the hands of others? He left his safety in the hands of "professionals" and his corner, whom was supposed to care about him and save him from himself (if need be).

Look at Pac's financial situation...he put confidence in people that he was paying to take care of his money, and we see how that worked out. Again, anything that's YOURS (wife, kids, money, health, etc) should be overseen by the owner...YOU.
BigFightFan
Although he was losing the fight, he was game. The bulk of the blame should fall on his corner in my opinion.
Dolimite
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 4 2014, 05:30 PM) *
Nope...he could've quit.

Dude, I think he was on auto pilot, fighting off of pure instinct and fumes. I think he clocked out. you are right, protect yourself at all times. but in this case, he couldn't. His corner needs their ass kicked.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 5 2014, 12:17 AM) *
Dude, I think he was on auto pilot, fighting off of pure instinct and fumes. I think he clocked out. you are right, protect yourself at all times. but in this case, he couldn't. His corner needs their ass kicked.

I wont argue with this point either...maybe he WAS on autopilot. Sad stuff nonetheless...
mgrover
id like to say yes because in this case its fair, unsure about tapia cause i didnt watch it. but this will lead to fighters taking advantage and suing over bullshit, which is lead to way more bullshit stoppages, since refs are thinking i dont wanna be the fall guy, which inturn will completely change the trajectory of boxing
Franchize
It's on his corner. The fight was competitive for most of the rounds. The ref didn't stop it for whatever reason. That's when you rely on your corner to save you from yourself. They didn't. Period. It's almost like a football player returning from a concussion. The sport is based heavily on bravado. The athlete is conditioned to win at all costs and as long as you can breath, you can compete. You just expect the people you've sacrificed and trained with to be the wise heads prevailing.
mrchitown
He should sue the NYSAC, the corner and the damn ref. He was done a great disservice that night....instead of fighting 1 opponent he was fighting 4. Maybe 5 if you want to throw HBO and their blood and guts theory in there
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 5 2014, 01:28 PM) *
He should sue the NYSAC, the corner and the damn ref. He was done a great disservice that night....instead of fighting 1 opponent he was fighting 4. Maybe 5 if you want to throw HBO and their blood and guts theory in there

I wonder if he could go the criminal.and civil court
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 5 2014, 03:13 PM) *
I wonder if he could go the criminal.and civil court


That's a good question. But what ever he has to do it needs to be done. This is an ugly situation and it put a dark cloud over boxing
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 5 2014, 01:52 PM) *
That's a good question. But what ever he has to do it needs to be done. This is an ugly situation and it put a dark cloud over boxing

notice HBO is tight lip on Magomed. I don't think Lamply has said much.
Gambit808
I don't know how to feel about this, I mean, no doubt Magomed took unnessesary punishment that can be blaimed on the ref or corner etc., but I think taking this to court is a bit extra. This is a gladiator sport, "the hurt buisness", and these are some of the effects that come with the territory if you're unable to do what every trainer teaches u to do as soon as u step in the gym to fight and that's "protect yourself". I think no one is to blaim more in this situation than the fighter who generally has the overall decision to continuing to fight. This sort of thing can happen to anyone who laces em up, I'm mean, how many wars have we witness in boxing far more hellacious than what we seen with Magomed-Perez, like Gatti-Ward, Foreman-Lyle, Corrales-Castillo to name the most notables, yet we never rallied for those fighters to sue there trainers or ref's and commission because what, they didn't come out with the same diagnosis as Magomed? These dudes live and die by the effects of the sport just like football and ain't no way around it because its the nature of the sport. There's charities and funds being raised for this mans health and believe that's a fair enough equalizer since these fighters know the risk and effects of going out another round more than anyone.
Dolimite
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Jan 5 2014, 11:19 PM) *
I don't know how to feel about this, I mean, no doubt Magomed took unnessesary punishment that can be blaimed on the ref or corner etc., but I think taking this to court is a bit extra. This is a gladiator sport, "the hurt buisness", and these are some of the effects that come with the territory if you're unable to do what every trainer teaches u to do as soon as u step in the gym to fight and that's "protect yourself". I think no one is to blaim more in this situation than the fighter who generally has the overall decision to continuing to fight. This sort of thing can happen to anyone who laces em up, I'm mean, how many wars have we witness in boxing far more hellacious than what we seen with Magomed-Perez, like Gatti-Ward, Foreman-Lyle, Corrales-Castillo to name the most notables, yet we never rallied for those fighters to sue there trainers or ref's and commission because what, they didn't come out with the same diagnosis as Magomed? These dudes live and die by the effects of the sport just like football and ain't no way around it because its the nature of the sport. There's charities and funds being raised for this mans health and believe that's a fair enough equalizer since these fighters know the risk and effects of going out another round more than anyone.

It's like you are saying in short words "Too damn bad" when an outcome of a fight produces what Magomed is going through it turns my stomach. Not only that, but too many people saw exactly what was going on in that fight not to step up and stop it, especially the ref, his corner and the doctors! The doctors didn't even tell him to go to the damn hospital.
Gambit808
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 6 2014, 11:51 AM) *
It's like you are saying in short words "Too damn bad" when an outcome of a fight produces what Magomed is going through it turns my stomach. Not only that, but too many people saw exactly what was going on in that fight not to step up and stop it, especially the ref, his corner and the doctors! The doctors didn't even tell him to go to the damn hospital.

No, I'm saying the fighter himself shouldn't be left out of this blaim game. I'm saying he above all else knows how much punishment his own body is taking and would be well in his own right (and wouldn't be the first) to stop the fight if he felt it was to much for his own body to take... but of coarse, some fighters have too much pride to just quit from taking the punishment, right? yet some have the mindset to sacrifice their own livelihood for fortune and fame, but when things go wrong, everybody else is to blaim but themselves. I'm not just saying blaim the ref, the corner or the athletic commission, I'm saying the fighter himself is to blaim too along with them. I'm saying these guys make the choice of being a fighter and each time they step in the ring, risk being another case like the fighter in Japan or the amature in the Philipines and even though they're doctors and cornerman on stand by to HELP prevent things like this from occurring, it ain't the answer for cases like this NOT to occurr because it's the nature of the sport. If suing officials and such is the answer here, then we should never be allowed to argue the case of a premature stoppage. U got guys in the NFL who have full body amour in hopes to protect from injuries, even went as far as to tweak the rules to HELP prevent these situations, but does it stop these guys from getting injured or dealing with the after effects off the field? No, because it's the nature of the buisness and what these guys sign up for. I'm saying there's no one in this situation to blaim more than the fighter, then follows everyone else.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 6 2014, 11:51 AM) *
It's like you are saying in short words "Too damn bad" when an outcome of a fight produces what Magomed is going through it turns my stomach. Not only that, but too many people saw exactly what was going on in that fight not to step up and stop it, especially the ref, his corner and the doctors! The doctors didn't even tell him to go to the damn hospital.

"Protect yourself at ALL TIMES"

It appears that Magomed is gonna be in a vegetable state...wonder who's going to look after his family...since he depended on others to look after his health. As many are saying, he was game in the fight (though he stopped landing after a while), but a fighter that's fighting back and not landing (all while getting peppered), shouldn't be allowed to continue, regardless if he's "throwing back" or not.

As somebody in this thread, HBO blood & guts agenda may have been the driving force here as well. Again, if Magomed himself didn't have to take that beatdown, but he had his mind made up that he was going for the long haul. As a father, if you wanna be the only one raising your kids and bedding your wife at night, then you'd make your own judgement as to when you've had enough.

Now another fighter is gonna make the conscious decision that Magomed should've made, due to witnessing what's happened to him. Sad...
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 5 2014, 06:29 PM) *
notice HBO is tight lip on Magomed. I don't think Lamply has said much.


It's like I said, it's the blood and guts mentality that HBO pushes. Lampley said a few things about Magomed and that's all I remember
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 6 2014, 02:36 PM) *
It's like I said, it's the blood and guts mentality that HBO pushes. Lampley said a few things about Magomed and that's all I remember

They don't appreciate the art that is boxing. I hope Rigondeaux leaves they ass. Such disrespect they show this man. I guess they want someone dies in the ring.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2014, 08:28 PM) *
They don't appreciate the art that is boxing. I hope Rigondeaux leaves they ass. Such disrespect they show this man. I guess they want someone dies in the ring.


They'll let Rigondeaux walk. They don't care much for him and that's sad because this guy is talented
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 8 2014, 06:52 PM) *
They'll let Rigondeaux walk. They don't care much for him and that's sad because this guy is talented

+1
mgrover
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 9 2014, 02:52 AM) *
They'll let Rigondeaux walk. They don't care much for him and that's sad because this guy is talented


No they won't they'll do the dickheaded thing, they'll keep him and shelf him so he cant threaten any of there guys.
mrchitown
QUOTE (mgrover @ Jan 10 2014, 02:27 PM) *
No they won't they'll do the dickheaded thing, they'll keep him and shelf him so he cant threaten any of there guys.


Don't say that, I'm trying to be optimistic...his management is good and they don't like how Rigo is getting treated. Maybe they'll pull something off and get him out of there
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