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BrutUalBK
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/46499-pac...h-michael-koncz


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfM0uNYX26Q...Gifp4pcCppHeZfA

This link above guarantees we won't see a Floyd vs Manny fight ever!!

Your thoughts???
DigitalBoom
There is more to this...things are missing from the equation because Koncz isn't the only advisor but he's the one we know. There is a second guy who has been around longer than Koncz in that camp so that's two people watching the money. Personally I think some of this is blown out of proportion and while I don't think this cat was handling his money well I doubt he's anywhere near broke. That same BIR report had him listed as owning properties in the philipines alone worth tens of millions of dollars..I do think he isn't a fluid asset person so he may blow through cash but he's got holding and I think the work of the other advisor to him. I'll wait for the chips to land where they will but I think in the end the whole tax shhh won't be a big deal just some fines,interest build up, and a few million in disputed expenses.
MAHDI
"POOR manny being raped" LMAO--- floyd's SLAVE WAGES REMARK don't look so stupid after all huh... lmao--- Pac man has been bamboozled and hoodwinked
mrchitown
I don't know about that Karceeno dude, I don't trust it until I hear something official
mrchitown
Just get ready for 30 for 30 on Pacquiao. It's coming, and that's regardless of if he's with TR or not. He just don't make good decisions. He and his wife grew a pair and found things wrong with their business dealings then all of a sudden fired VQ and stayed with the same dudes who been ripping them off. Something isn't right here. and know we here this ugly face dude saying Manny has signed an extension, this guy be on Arum's sack so I don't trust it. Don't get me started on buddy lol, it's a lot off about him. People in the boxing circles know what I'm saying lol

Nowhere else did you find this shit until this dude put it out there, actual credible sites have said that Manny is more likely top sign an extension but something is off. This man came out of his face and said that he was willing to fight Mayweather in 2015 without Arum, now all of a sudden he's signed an extension days later. Notice how Arum and Koncz say one thing but Pacquiao says another. The bs continues, I'll wait til somebody with actual credibility says it or better yet when Manny says it. It's not out the realm of possibility, Arum loves to dangle contract extensions in his fighters' faces when their contracts are up. I jsut need something more reliable then this guy
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 6 2014, 07:50 PM) *
I don't know about that Karceeno dude, I don't trust it until I hear something official



Well look at the fact that MP has resigned with TR and if we haven't gotten it this long then what makes anyone think it'll happen now that he just resigned?

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There is more to this...things are missing from the equation because Koncz isn't the only advisor but he's the one we know. There is a second guy who has been around longer than Koncz in that camp so that's two people watching the money. Personally I think some of this is blown out of proportion and while I don't think this cat was handling his money well I doubt he's anywhere near broke. That same BIR report had him listed as owning properties in the philipines alone worth tens of millions of dollars..I do think he isn't a fluid asset person so he may blow through cash but he's got holding and I think the work of the other advisor to him. I'll wait for the chips to land where they will but I think in the end the whole tax shhh won't be a big deal just some fines,interest build up, and a few million in disputed expenses.


There is more to it than this and I think it's this: We can clearly see from the link that these facts and figures are on the mark and are a definite assessment by either the IRS or some other agency that has direct access to all of his monetary transactions associated with his fights but that only tells half the story; the other half of the coin is why doesn't Manny leave Arum seeing that he is being RAPED for 27%?

Cotto left TR and made his biggest payday to date facing Mayweather, either Arum has something so incriminating on Manny or Pacquiao is just too stupid to leave and doesn't mind being RAPED for the 27% or he knows that as long as he stays under the protection of Arum that he can keep coasting beating up on lesser foes while Arum continues to holla "Floyd, Floyd, Floyd" everytime Pacquiao fights so as to keep Manny's name relevant and protect him from getting his ass kicked by Mayweather???

It has to be one of those answers or a combination of them but we can no longer excuse Manny after this stupid move because we know Floyd won't do business with Arum.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 6 2014, 07:50 PM) *
I don't know about that Karceeno dude, I don't trust it until I hear something official



Oh, one other thing to note; in Karceno's video he is talking to Bob Arum that you can clearly hear Arum answering saying Manny has signed with Top Rank again so I don't see why there would be any reason not to trust in what we can hear from Bob's own mouth.
mrchitown
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Jan 6 2014, 10:49 PM) *
Oh, one other thing to note; in Karceno's video he is talking to Bob Arum that you can clearly hear Arum answering saying Manny has signed with Top Rank again so I don't see why there would be any reason not to trust in what we can hear from Bob's own mouth.


Because it's Arum, how this was put out on the 4th of this month and then the next day Arum says it's a strong possibility Manny will sign an extension with us...that don't raise red flags to you lol. Da fuck lol

And this convo he speaking of took place a month ago but yet here we are on record with arum yesterday or this weekend, take your pick saying Manny may re-new...something's off here. Don't take it up with me, take it up with somebody else, I;m just poking holes in bullshit

I just had a good meeting with Michael [Koncz] yesterday, and Ill leave it at that, said Arum via RingTV. I have a contract with Manny, and hes saying that we may very well renew the contract past 2015.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/2014/arum-pa...LVDGhzEAhsPG.99

That's what he RECENTLY said, I don't know what to believe but until I hear something official then I'm calling ducktales...don't no news site report this but a video from Karceeno is the exclamation point...not in my eyes. When fightnews or boxingscene say it then I'll believe it. I just poked holes in this shit right now and I;m not even a writer...the video was posted on January 4th and the convo took place last month and then yesterday Arum says Manny might re-sign. You never know with this guy, Manny is dumb so he just might re-sign but he ain't did it yet because if he did bigger and more reputable writers and websites would've reported on it.
mrchitown
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Jan 6 2014, 10:18 PM) *
Well look at the fact that MP has resigned with TR and if we haven't gotten it this long then what makes anyone think it'll happen now that he just resigned?



There is more to it than this and I think it's this: We can clearly see from the link that these facts and figures are on the mark and are a definite assessment by either the IRS or some other agency that has direct access to all of his monetary transactions associated with his fights but that only tells half the story; the other half of the coin is why doesn't Manny leave Arum seeing that he is being RAPED for 27%?

Cotto left TR and made his biggest payday to date facing Mayweather, either Arum has something so incriminating on Manny or Pacquiao is just too stupid to leave and doesn't mind being RAPED for the 27% or he knows that as long as he stays under the protection of Arum that he can keep coasting beating up on lesser foes while Arum continues to holla "Floyd, Floyd, Floyd" everytime Pacquiao fights so as to keep Manny's name relevant and protect him from getting his ass kicked by Mayweather???

It has to be one of those answers or a combination of them but we can no longer excuse Manny after this stupid move because we know Floyd won't do business with Arum.


I responded with my own facts in my previous post so I'm not doing it again..but as for the rest of your post, I think Manny just isn't equipped to leave. And let's not forget how loyal he is. Maybe he feels a sense of loyalty to arum, Koncz, and TR....it's definitely more to it then it appears to be from the little we're getting

That really burns me up when I see Arum push this whole Floyd thing knowing that it won't happen because HE'S directly involved. If he removed himself from the equation then this would've happened or could be happening. He made a false idol off the back and hard work of Mayweather's name. I hate to see someone leach of another instead of blazing their own trail. But I think Arum is fucked now, he has no PPV attractions outside of Manny and he's a sinking ship now. I don't see what he has to offer Manny....He's hyping up Mikey, who fight this month and then they say he'll possibly move up and at some point fight Manny next year or what ever

How bad is your roster that you have to take someone as small as Mikey Garcia and try to build him as Pacquiao's future nemesis.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 6 2014, 11:42 PM) *
I responded with my own facts in my previous post so I'm not doing it again..but as for the rest of your post, I think Manny just isn't equipped to leave. And let's not forget how loyal he is. Maybe he feels a sense of loyalty to arum, Koncz, and TR....it's definitely more to it then it appears to be from the little we're getting

That really burns me up when I see Arum push this whole Floyd thing knowing that it won't happen because HE'S directly involved. If he removed himself from the equation then this would've happened or could be happening. He made a false idol off the back and hard work of Mayweather's name. I hate to see someone leach of another instead of blazing their own trail. But I think Arum is fucked now, he has no PPV attractions outside of Manny and he's a sinking ship now. I don't see what he has to offer Manny....He's hyping up Mikey, who fight this month and then they say he'll possibly move up and at some point fight Manny next year or what ever

How bad is your roster that you have to take someone as small as Mikey Garcia and try to build him as Pacquiao's future nemesis.



I did not have a problem with your response to the first post as I don't with this one either, it's just that I wasn't privy to the info you posted in the first one but it's good stuff though fo sho.

I know Arum is at best a wishy-washy bastard that cannot be trusted as far as either of us can throw him but Manny isn't exactly known for making intelligent decisions so it is likely that Bob has a contract with him but it may yet be unsigned, still I wouldn't put it past Pacquiao having signed it already.
mrchitown
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Jan 6 2014, 11:50 PM) *
I did not have a problem with your response to the first post as I don't with this one either, it's just that I wasn't privy to the info you posted in the first one but it's good stuff though fo sho.

I know Arum is at best a wishy-washy bastard that cannot be trusted as far as either of us can throw him but Manny isn't exactly known for making intelligent decisions so it is likely that Bob has a contract with him but it may yet be unsigned, still I wouldn't put it past Pacquiao having signed it already.


That's what I'm saying, you can never get an accurate read on Arum, Manny could very well have signed and we don't know or then again, this could be Arum trying to put pressure on Manny to sign the extension to get his next fight. Arum has Manny by the balls right now...dude is basically broke and he needs to fight. I'm holding out some hope that he's using his brain and waiting til his contract is up and bolts. The reports are conflicting from all sides
truth
Loyal or not VQ found something and this tax situation is real and if manny stays i believe he is hiding something and arum knows something. I pose one question how can you rob me and im still cool i cant say on here what i would do but it would be ugly
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 6 2014, 11:46 PM) *
That's what I'm saying, you can never get an accurate read on Arum, Manny could very well have signed and we don't know or then again, this could be Arum trying to put pressure on Manny to sign the extension to get his next fight. Arum has Manny by the balls right now...dude is basically broke and he needs to fight. I'm holding out some hope that he's using his brain and waiting til his contract is up and bolts. The reports are conflicting from all sides

If the VisionQuest shit did not wake him up then nothing will. He will be looking to Donaire for help.
Cshel86
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Jan 7 2014, 12:50 AM) *
I did not have a problem with your response to the first post as I don't with this one either, it's just that I wasn't privy to the info you posted in the first one but it's good stuff though fo sho.

I know Arum is at best a wishy-washy bastard that cannot be trusted as far as either of us can throw him but Manny isn't exactly known for making intelligent decisions so it is likely that Bob has a contract with him but it may yet be unsigned, still I wouldn't put it past Pacquiao having signed it already.

He's probably signed it, and doesn't even know...something like the way he paid Bradley's TR signing bonus for the Casamayor fight.

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Shhhh....let's not repeat that too loud...

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Dolimite
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 7 2014, 09:39 AM) *
He's probably signed it, and doesn't even know...something like the way he paid Bradley's TR signing bonus for the Casamayor fight.

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Shhhh....let's not repeat that too loud...

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you are joking! Please tell me! What a dummy!
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 7 2014, 10:21 AM) *
If the VisionQuest shit did not wake him up then nothing will. He will be looking to Donaire for help.


This is probably the strangest relationship in boxing. The dude is getting robbed and like an idiot he re-signd with him, now you getting burned again and you re-sign or are about to, whatever it is.....this whole thing is like some soap opera stuff. something ain't right with this picture, Manny is not innocent in any of this. You supposed to be watching your money not counting on someone else to do it. Pacquiao's lawyer, who is said to be extremely close to him as went in on Koncz and said everything is not right. How you have a lawyer but not complaining about him not seeing your contract, Pacquiao just dumb
BigFightFan
I hope pacquiao hasn't resigned with TR, I hate to see anyone get swindled out of their hard earned money. Shit is said if true. The IRS is the true pound for pound king. The Marquez KO loss is nothing compared to what the IRS has in store for Pacman.
un01
Lets be real. Pac is going to resign with Top Rank. He's too dumb and too scared to leave Arum. Pac was a free agent after the Bradley fight, which is probably the reason why he got robbed, and he still resigned with Top Rank even after the whole Vision quest/Bradley fiasco. Start looking forward to him fighting Mikey Garcia, Jessie Vargas and Gamboa, because it is happening.
mrchitown
QUOTE (un01 @ Jan 7 2014, 06:40 PM) *
Lets be real. Pac is going to resign with Top Rank. He's too dumb and too scared to leave Arum. Pac was a free agent after the Bradley fight, which is probably the reason why he got robbed, and he still resigned with Top Rank even after the whole Vision quest/Bradley fiasco. Start looking forward to him fighting Mikey Garcia, Jessie Vargas and Gamboa, because it is happening.


Sad to say but your probably right. I just do like Jesse and keep hope alive...keep hoping that he man's up and takes his career and life in his own hands
MAHDI
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 7 2014, 08:11 PM) *
Sad to say but your probably right. I just do like Jesse and keep hope alive...keep hoping that he man's up and takes his career and life in his own hands



Floyd ran from the plantation-- Pac ran back to it- lmao--- sad. I hope he redeems himself I would hate to see the IRS do him like they did JOE LOUIS... Manny might be tap dancing and doing the bo jangles to pay his debts....
Cshel86
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 7 2014, 12:45 PM) *
you are joking! Please tell me! What a dummy!

Nope, Bradley was bragging about signing with TR and saying that he was going to get the biggest payday of his career in his first TR fight (against Casamayor), but the fool actually opted not to take his signing bonus upon signing.

Instead, he got it in his first fight purse, which was a little over $1M...$600k of it being his fight purse. Now that I think about it, he made $800k against Devon earlier that same year, so NO, his TR debut WASN'T his biggest payday. Over half of it was his fight purse, while the rest of it was his bonus...one of which Manny paid (since he was the "co-promoter of the card).

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mrchitown
QUOTE (MAHDI @ Jan 7 2014, 08:51 PM) *
Floyd ran from the plantation-- Pac ran back to it- lmao--- sad. I hope he redeems himself I would hate to see the IRS do him like they did JOE LOUIS... Manny might be tap dancing and doing the bo jangles to pay his debts....


So did Oscar. Isn't it funny that 2 of the biggest money makers of all time in the sport made their money WITHOUT Arum? Pacquiao needs to listen to his lawyer and the other few around him trying to tell him the truth. It's almost too late
checkleft
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 8 2014, 12:12 AM) *
So did Oscar. Isn't it funny that 2 of the biggest money makers of all time in the sport made their money WITHOUT Arum? Pacquiao needs to listen to his lawyer and the other few around him trying to tell him the truth. It's almost too late

You can put cotto in there also..
Dolimite
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 7 2014, 07:26 PM) *
Nope, Bradley was bragging about signing with TR and saying that he was going to get the biggest payday of his career in his first TR fight (against Casamayor), but the fool actually opted not to take his signing bonus upon signing.

Instead, he got it in his first fight purse, which was a little over $1M...$600k of it being his fight purse. Now that I think about it, he made $800k against Devon earlier that same year, so NO, his TR debut WASN'T his biggest payday. Over half of it was his fight purse, while the rest of it was his bonus...one of which Manny paid (since he was the "co-promoter of the card).

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Arum is a straight up Thug! talk about Thug Life, Arum is it! black eye.gif

QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 7 2014, 08:12 PM) *
So did Oscar. Isn't it funny that 2 of the biggest money makers of all time in the sport made their money WITHOUT Arum? Pacquiao needs to listen to his lawyer and the other few around him trying to tell him the truth. It's almost too late

His fans would argue that he is such a loyal and kind heart guy that he won't leave Arum. However he did not have an issue with firing Ariza. Either Bob has something on Manny, Manny owes Bob money that he advanced to him or he doesn't care. You are right Chi, the best 30 for 30, ever. Didn't Roach even say he had to give Manny money? Shit

QUOTE (checkleft @ Jan 7 2014, 10:46 PM) *
You can put cotto in there also..

Cotto ran back but he didn't sign his life over to Bob. The Bernie Maddoff of boxing.
jtiizzle
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 6 2014, 06:50 PM) *
I don't know about that Karceeno dude, I don't trust it until I hear something official

It's official dude that guy got bob arum on speed dial
mrchitown
QUOTE (jtiizzle @ Jan 8 2014, 12:07 PM) *
It's official dude that guy got bob arum on speed dial


I know he does, I've seen his interviews with arum before. But where is it official at? Why hasn't any other journalist picked it up? IDGAF about a video of a convo that took place a month ago but then the next day after that video was released Arum speaks to the Ring TV. A credible site I might add and says that "Manny may re-new with us past 2015"

Show me where it's offical at. Point me to this direction where you and others have seen this official shit. I've said earlier and I'll say it again, I'm not sold that he's already signed the extension. I'm not saying it's not possible but what Manny is saying and what Arum is saying is contracdictory. Last week Manny said that if Floyd wanted a fight without Arum involved he'd have to wait til 2015, now I know he's stupid but he can't be that stupid. If he signed the extension already then he wouldn't be talking the way he is and Arum wouldn't have said what he said.

For all I know, maybe it was a verbal agreement, maybe it wasn't but I've yet to see where it's "official" at. Arum has lots of media friends and all the others are bigger then this dude. Why ain't Iole or Rafael reporting it? I can only go off what is being put out there. No diss but if this video is all the proof then I'd rather not even respond to posts bringing this shit up again
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2014, 10:20 AM) *
His fans would argue that he is such a loyal and kind heart guy that he won't leave Arum. However he did not have an issue with firing Ariza. Either Bob has something on Manny, Manny owes Bob money that he advanced to him or he doesn't care. You are right Chi, the best 30 for 30, ever. Didn't Roach even say he had to give Manny money? Shit


Cotto ran back but he didn't sign his life over to Bob. The Bernie Maddoff of boxing.


He seems loyal, his attorney says he is. Ain't nothing wrong with being loyal, it's an underrated trait these days. And I thought Roach got Ariza outta there

His ESPN doc is going to win awards, if he re-signs or has re-signed like what's being alleged then he's sealed his fate. Arum will use him and ruin him
mrchitown
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jan 8 2014, 12:46 AM) *
You can put cotto in there also..


Him too. How Manny doesn't see this stuff or comprehend it is beyond me. He don't even have to sign with GB, he can be a free agent and control his destiny, like how Miguel is doing now. He won't be a victim to the cold war. He can go between the networks and the promoters and do what he wants to do. I hope his wife or someone is in his ear telling him this. I'm sure his lawyer is but he needs to hear it constantly
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 8 2014, 03:28 PM) *
He seems loyal, his attorney says he is. Ain't nothing wrong with being loyal, it's an underrated trait these days. And I thought Roach got Ariza outta there

His ESPN doc is going to win awards, if he re-signs or has re-signed like what's being alleged then he's sealed his fate. Arum will use him and ruin him

If I am fucking you out of money, will you still be loyal to me? You are loyal to the ones who are loyal back.
checkleft
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2014, 12:20 PM) *
Arum is a straight up Thug! talk about Thug Life, Arum is it! black eye.gif


His fans would argue that he is such a loyal and kind heart guy that he won't leave Arum. However he did not have an issue with firing Ariza. Either Bob has something on Manny, Manny owes Bob money that he advanced to him or he doesn't care. You are right Chi, the best 30 for 30, ever. Didn't Roach even say he had to give Manny money? Shit


Cotto ran back but he didn't sign his life over to Bob. The Bernie Maddoff of boxing.

Cotto still got his biggest check away from arum.
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