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ryustuh
jus saw the articles on GGG. glad he's getting some real time interviews and exposure on the site. i think making the fight with JCC would be a wise move. it would further establish GGG's name in the division (even though JCC's performances have been lackluster as of late), set GGG up for bigger matches (serg, ward) in the future, and in my opinion, is an easier fight for him than some of his previous opponents like rosado.

bad news for JCC if he takes the bait and signs something. his conditioning/activity output looked piss poor against vera and serg. sure he has a great chin, but i don't think he's ever felt raw brute power like GGG's. i think gennady would go to the body early and actually end up stopping JCC within 7-8. given JCC's horrible work ethic recently, i don't have much faith that he'll be any better coming into this fight if he takes it. senior must be so pissed...

thoughts?
HyyerBlaze
Chavez is a bull and can take the punishment...think refs stop this in the middle rounds tho.GGG winner by TKO
Dolimite
QUOTE (HyyerBlaze @ Jan 8 2014, 11:01 AM) *
Chavez is a bull and can take the punishment...think refs stop this in the middle rounds tho.GGG winner by TKO

GGG does not have the power to knock out that pot head. I actually like Jr. in this fight, he does have a punch and iron chin, but knowing Jr. he will disappoint.
AZWildCat
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2014, 02:33 PM) *
GGG does not have the power to knock out that pot head. I actually like Jr. in this fight, he does have a punch and iron chin, but knowing Jr. he will disappoint.

I was thinking the same thing. wish he would of said fuck it and worked wit Garcia and ariza again, ariza at least kept him in top shape and on weight. would have made the fight a little more interesting.
ryustuh
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2014, 01:33 PM) *
GGG does not have the power to knock out that pot head. I actually like Jr. in this fight, he does have a punch and iron chin, but knowing Jr. he will disappoint.


maybe not enough to get a KO, but i could see him dropping and stopping JCC with a left hook to the liver. JCC has that high guard when he's pressed up against the ropes and leaves his sides open for the taking.
HyyerBlaze
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2014, 02:33 PM) *
GGG does not have the power to knock out that pot head. I actually like Jr. in this fight, he does have a punch and iron chin, but knowing Jr. he will disappoint.

Well he might..def dont think he would KO him tho.Think his face is gonna look like road kill tho after 7/8 rounds
Cshel86
GGG isn't as a big monster as you guys make him out to be. People around here were saying that Sergio would "decapitate" him...that didn't happen...he almost got stopped. GGG has yet to deal with the size and pressure that Chavez provides.

Had we placed a sig bet on the Broner/Maidana fight, a lot of yall would be rockin' a sig with some man in a rainbow-colored thong by now, lol. That fight SURELY didn't go the way most of yall planned for it to go.

Point is, Julio's not that same plodder who takes punches, just to give them back. He's actually using his head and feet more, throwing straight punches, and working behind his jab...as we saw in the Vera fight. Even if he was the old MW powerhouse that he used to be, GGG wouldn't just go in there and have his way with him.

Tired of these "monsters" being built up, just to get boxed to death and outlasted by somebody with less power and the actual wherewithal to outwork them.

By the way, at what weight would this take place...168, maybe?
ryustuh
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 8 2014, 03:31 PM) *
Point is, Julio's not that same plodder who takes punches, just to give them back. He's actually using his head and feet more, throwing straight punches, and working behind his jab...as we saw in the Vera fight. Even if he was the old MW powerhouse that he used to be, GGG wouldn't just go in there and have his way with him.


i dont think rosado or mathew macklin qualify as plodders who take punches just to give them back. i think buddy mcgirt did wonders for macklin, and matt actually shows some good head movement as well as some slickness behind a solid jab. rosado too has some moderate-good defense and throws a variety of fast punches. not saying these are the best boxers in the world, but they are some very tough opposition that ggg virtually walked through. and given that brian vera (whose natural frame seems comparable to GGG) was able to bull-rush his way in to land some decent shots on JCC, i would think that ggg would have no problem doing the same. rumor has it that abel sanchez spars gennady with cruiserweights and light heavyweights so i dont think the bigger size in JCC would matter that much. if you were to throw gennady in with a better boxer like sergio or cotto then, there'd be more discussion as to what problems ggg would face.

would think that the fight would have to take place at 168 for JCC's sake.
Cshel86
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Jan 8 2014, 02:48 PM) *
i dont think rosado or mathew macklin qualify as plodders who take punches just to give them back. i think buddy mcgirt did wonders for macklin, and matt actually shows some good head movement as well as some slickness behind a solid jab. rosado too has some moderate-good defense and throws a variety of fast punches. not saying these are the best boxers in the world, but they are some very tough opposition that ggg virtually walked through. and given that brian vera (whose natural frame seems comparable to GGG) was able to bull-rush his way in to land some decent shots on JCC, i would think that ggg would have no problem doing the same. rumor has it that abel sanchez spars gennady with cruiserweights and even light heavyweights so i dont think the bigger size in JCC would matter that much. if you were to throw gennady in with a better boxer like sergio or cotto then, there'd be more discussion as to what problems ggg would face.

would think that the fight would have to take place at 168 for JCC's sake.

I never said that THEY were plodders...I meant that Chavez isn't the same plodder that he used to be. Just because Vera was able to "bull rush" his way in to land shots, doesn't mean that GGG can. Besides, is GGG even the "bull rush" type? Vera did it because he didn't have the true strength to box his way in.

Sparring and an actual fight are different...regulation gloves, money, and the will to win have MUCH to do with that difference. You're not fighting for your life when you're sparring...big difference. These sparring rumors sound good, but how true are they? The whole thing about GGG dropping HWs in sparring...again, how true is that? Can anybody confirm it, or is it true just because HBO was pushing the story for their own agenda?

You're saying that COTTO of all people, would give GGG problems??? Who was the last big puncher that Cotto fought? Foreman? Mayorga? Trout? Mayweather? Rodriguez? Margarito? He hasn't faced a big puncher since Manny, and if you wanna go back further, we can say Shane.

Cotto would get worked against GGG, and that's not even me boosting GGG up. Cotto needs to fight the RIGHT middleweight...the same way Floyd has been fighting the RIGHT 154 lbers...just like Juan fought the RIGHT WW in Manny...you see what happened Juan fought Bradley...wrong WW for him.

ryustuh
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 8 2014, 03:59 PM) *
I never said that THEY were plodders...I meant that Chavez isn't the same plodder that he used to be. Just because Vera was able to "bull rush" his way in to land shots, doesn't mean that GGG can. Besides, is GGG even the "bull rush" type? Vera did it because he didn't have the true strength to box his way in.

Sparring and an actual fight are different...regulation gloves, money, and the will to win have MUCH to do with that difference. You're not fighting for your life when you're sparring...big difference. These sparring rumors sound good, but how true are they? The whole thing about GGG dropping HWs in sparring...again, how true is that? Can anybody confirm it, or is it true just because HBO was pushing the story for their own agenda?

You're saying that COTTO of all people, would give GGG problems??? Who was the last big puncher that Cotto fought? Foreman? Mayorga? Trout? Mayweather? Rodriguez? Margarito? He hasn't faced a big puncher since Manny, and if you wanna go back further, we can say Shane.

Cotto would get worked against GGG, and that's not even me boosting GGG up. Cotto needs to fight the RIGHT middleweight...the same way Floyd has been fighting the RIGHT 154 lbers...just like Juan fought the RIGHT WW in Manny...you see what happened Juan fought Bradley...wrong WW for him.


i agree sparring and fighting aren't nearly compatible so i'll give you that. and for the sparring rumors - i'm going by interviews with abel sanchez and youtube clips showing GGG sparring much bigger opponents (can't say that they're HWs). so i'll give you that as well - maybe abel's just doing his part to hype up GGG fair enough.

you mention the will to win and how it has a huge impact in a real fight. has jcc shown that will as of late? sure he caught serg in the last round and got amped, but the first 11 rounds he was a lazy ineffective bum. and i hardly saw any will in his fight against a lesser opponent in vera. i mostly saw a gassed, fatigued, and out of shape JCC who was trying to last through the rounds.

i'm not saying ggg wouldn't work cotto. i agree with you i'm sure he would too. i'm saying better BOXERS like cotto, serg, and andre ward would give gennady more problems than someone who would just go in and try to impose their size and will against him.
HyyerBlaze
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Jan 8 2014, 03:08 PM) *
i agree sparring and fighting aren't nearly compatible so i'll give you that. and for the sparring rumors - i'm going by interviews with abel sanchez and youtube clips showing GGG sparring much bigger opponents (can't say that they're HWs). so i'll give you that as well - maybe abel's just doing his part to hype up GGG fair enough.

you mention the will to win and how it has a huge impact in a real fight. has jcc shown that will as of late? sure he caught serg in the last round and got amped, but the first 11 rounds he was a lazy ineffective bum. and i hardly saw any will in his fight against a lesser opponent in vera. i mostly saw a gassed, fatigued, and out of shape JCC who was trying to last through the rounds.

i'm not saying ggg wouldn't work cotto. i agree with you i'm sure he would too. i'm saying better BOXERS like cotto, serg, and andre ward would give gennady more problems than someone who would just go in and try to impose their size and will against him.

Lol yup...he sure used his head movement vs Sergio.Too bad he only moved it into Sergio's gloves lol.

His face was a mess after that fight.GGG would do more damage.He ain't as fast as Sergio but at this point in his career has more power imo.
klonopinz
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 8 2014, 02:31 PM) *
GGG isn't as a big monster as you guys make him out to be. People around here were saying that Sergio would "decapitate" him...that didn't happen...he almost got stopped. GGG has yet to deal with the size and pressure that Chavez provides.

Had we placed a sig bet on the Broner/Maidana fight, a lot of yall would be rockin' a sig with some man in a rainbow-colored thong by now, lol. That fight SURELY didn't go the way most of yall planned for it to go.

Point is, Julio's not that same plodder who takes punches, just to give them back. He's actually using his head and feet more, throwing straight punches, and working behind his jab...as we saw in the Vera fight. Even if he was the old MW powerhouse that he used to be, GGG wouldn't just go in there and have his way with him.

Tired of these "monsters" being built up, just to get boxed to death and outlasted by somebody with less power and the actual wherewithal to outwork them.

By the way, at what weight would this take place...168, maybe?


dont also forget that ggg isnt a one dimensional puncher either, and he can box if he needs to. he couldnt knockdown or really hurt gabby, so he outboxed him and wore him down. He had to do that with stevens too. If he has too, he will rack up point and take the UD. He isnt a powerful one punch KO guy, he is more of a accumulation of blows ko guy, he can ko guys, but guys who can take his punch get broken down over time, thats his ace. Hes just like thurman,"they may take it for a few rounds baby, but they cant take it for all 12 thssson"

his biggest weakness imo is his lack of handspeed, hes really slow and he is very predictable. he kept throwing that left hook to the liver over and over trying to ko stevens, and he also kept throwing the overhand right. If someone like ard or sergio was in there he would be getting countered like a mofo. nobody has been able to test him like that yet tho, so well see what hes got. i think chavez fought the wrong fight with vera, his big slow dumb ass as trying to box on the move, and he just failed horribly. He coudlnt even really hurt vera and didnt even get enough respect to keep vera off him. i think ggg would beat him up just like sergio, but wthout the 12 round drama.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 8 2014, 01:31 PM) *
GGG isn't as a big monster as you guys make him out to be. People around here were saying that Sergio would "decapitate" him...that didn't happen...he almost got stopped. GGG has yet to deal with the size and pressure that Chavez provides.

Had we placed a sig bet on the Broner/Maidana fight, a lot of yall would be rockin' a sig with some man in a rainbow-colored thong by now, lol. That fight SURELY didn't go the way most of yall planned for it to go.

Point is, Julio's not that same plodder who takes punches, just to give them back. He's actually using his head and feet more, throwing straight punches, and working behind his jab...as we saw in the Vera fight. Even if he was the old MW powerhouse that he used to be, GGG wouldn't just go in there and have his way with him.

Tired of these "monsters" being built up, just to get boxed to death and outlasted by somebody with less power and the actual wherewithal to outwork them.

By the way, at what weight would this take place...168, maybe?


I love GGG and love watching him fight like many do but he's not as good as people make him out to be. And he;s damn sure not as good as Abel Sanchez thinks he is. He's getting too much credit for beating guys we knew he would beat in the first place. Fans will never learn not to fall in love with a KO artist, they always let you down.

Him and Julio would be a good fight and I'm not exactly sold that GGG would win. Chavez Jr is a big dude, I ain't buying this he putting out HW's in sparring shit because it's coming from his own people. Canelo was knocking out people in camp for the Mayweatherr fight and we all see how that turned out. Golovkin will have some trouble in the future and JCC Jr will give him problems

Styles make fights and I think fighters like Ward and I'm sure I'll take heat for this but I'd pick Andre Dirrell to beat him. I've seen moments of confusion on his face in the Rosado and the Stevens fights. What happens when he's not winning the rounds as easy as he has been before and he's in with a boxer who can stand up to his punches and throw their own shots? Ward even had it right, he saying he'll fight anyone from 160-175 but that's bullshit. If he moves up to those divisions he may get sparked

I don't know who'd win between these two but my prediction in the words of Clubber Lang is "Pain"

BigFightFan
Jr can't make 160 end of story
checkleft
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Jan 8 2014, 03:48 PM) *
i dont think rosado or mathew macklin qualify as plodders who take punches just to give them back. i think buddy mcgirt did wonders for macklin, and matt actually shows some good head movement as well as some slickness behind a solid jab. rosado too has some moderate-good defense and throws a variety of fast punches. not saying these are the best boxers in the world, but they are some very tough opposition that ggg virtually walked through. and given that brian vera (whose natural frame seems comparable to GGG) was able to bull-rush his way in to land some decent shots on JCC, i would think that ggg would have no problem doing the same. rumor has it that abel sanchez spars gennady with cruiserweights and light heavyweights so i dont think the bigger size in JCC would matter that much. if you were to throw gennady in with a better boxer like sergio or cotto then, there'd be more discussion as to what problems ggg would face.

would think that the fight would have to take place at 168 for JCC's sake.

Macklin and rosado are not "boxers". Please

And I read someone post that ggg can box?? If so where has he shown any ability to box? Because all I've ever seen in his fights is a oversized dude that does a nice job of cutting the ring off and taking his time against overmatched comp.

And if this dude moves up to 168 to fight chavez and not ward after all this BS talk about nobody wanting to fight him I will be beside myself. With the talent at 168 and this MF goes up for chavez of all people...
ryustuh
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jan 8 2014, 08:31 PM) *
Macklin and rosado are not "boxers". Please

And I read someone post that ggg can box?? If so where has he shown any ability to box? Because all I've ever seen in his fights is a oversized dude that does a nice job of cutting the ring off and taking his time against overmatched comp.

And if this dude moves up to 168 to fight chavez and not ward after all this BS talk about nobody wanting to fight him I will be beside myself. With the talent at 168 and this MF goes up for chavez of all people...


explicitly said that these two were not the best boxers just tough opposition with decent skills.
Dolimite
QUOTE (checkleft @ Jan 8 2014, 05:31 PM) *
Macklin and rosado are not "boxers". Please

And I read someone post that ggg can box?? If so where has he shown any ability to box? Because all I've ever seen in his fights is a oversized dude that does a nice job of cutting the ring off and taking his time against overmatched comp.

And if this dude moves up to 168 to fight chavez and not ward after all this BS talk about nobody wanting to fight him I will be beside myself. With the talent at 168 and this MF goes up for chavez of all people...

HBO and his promoters would be STUPID to put him in any ring with SOG. He is starting to believe his own hype. Bad, bad, bad move. He needs to talk to Canelo about what happens when you start believing your own hype.
ryustuh
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2014, 10:09 PM) *
HBO and his promoters would be STUPID to put him in any ring with SOG. He is starting to believe his own hype. Bad, bad, bad move. He needs to talk to Canelo about what happens when you start believing your own hype.


i agree. i think ward would out-point him easily. but i do think the fight can and will be made somewhere down the line as there's so much hype around it. we've heard ward say on several telecasts that he's not impressed and wants ggg to become a little more seasoned. think they're just tryin to wait for the perfect time to garner the most attention from fans...
Jovi2016
Fight of the Year Candidate, GGG's coming out party, Brutal war as it lasts. Chavez has a chin and the man can punch with the best of them, GGG will be feeling that. I give the slight nod to GGG but think he will be cut up and both of them will be bloody by the time it ends.

They both get hit too much, and both are big punches, this fight will be very interesting. I hope it happens.

Let GGG vs Chavez happen and make some bucks, then let Ward get winner and we have a good year. Finally fighters on the same channel that will most likely be fighting soon!
mrchitown
QUOTE (BigFightFan @ Jan 8 2014, 06:26 PM) *
Jr can't make 160 end of story


Yup, this is a fantasy fight at 160. Dude had the weight for his fight with Vera changed like 5 damn times. Ain't no way he making 160 again, unless he takes more diuretics. And he's already pushing for a belt at SMW. If this fight happens, GGG would have to move up and that makes things even more interesting
Cshel86
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Jan 8 2014, 03:08 PM) *
i agree sparring and fighting aren't nearly compatible so i'll give you that. and for the sparring rumors - i'm going by interviews with abel sanchez and youtube clips showing GGG sparring much bigger opponents (can't say that they're HWs). so i'll give you that as well - maybe abel's just doing his part to hype up GGG fair enough.

you mention the will to win and how it has a huge impact in a real fight. has jcc shown that will as of late? sure he caught serg in the last round and got amped, but the first 11 rounds he was a lazy ineffective bum. and i hardly saw any will in his fight against a lesser opponent in vera. i mostly saw a gassed, fatigued, and out of shape JCC who was trying to last through the rounds.

i'm not saying ggg wouldn't work cotto. i agree with you i'm sure he would too. i'm saying better BOXERS like cotto, serg, and andre ward would give gennady more problems than someone who would just go in and try to impose their size and will against him.

Honestly, it's hard to even take a trainer's word nowadays. I remember the rumors about Broner getting dropped by Errol Spence, but that got "squashed" real quick. I remember hearing about Miranda cleaning Dawson's clock during sparring for the Ward fight...hmm...everybody was quick to yell "rumor", but I knew for a FACT that he got scraped. With that in mind, if trainers will cover up stuff like this, then they'll surely hype up some stuff to make their fighter look good...as you just mentioned.

Has Chavez shown the will to win lately? In the Sergio fight, yes...though he may have tried a bit too late...but when he tried...well, we all know what ALMOST happened there. Has he shown the will to win in his other fights? Nope. The bigger question is, has he even had to show the will to win??? Against Rubio? Lee? Manfredo? Vera?

He's been the bully in all of his fights, and his biggest issue has been, working against himself (with making weight and dedicating himself to the sport), and trying to prove to the world that he isn't a waste of Sr's sperm...but having to show the will to win...absolutely not (other than the Sergio fight). Sergio's biggest mistake was working against HIMSELF with all of that movement, against a guy who he knew had a strong chance of taking his punches and outlasting him.

Cotto is a pretty good boxer, but his biggest weakness against bigger and/or better guys, is trying to prove his toughness...as if we don't know how tough he is anyway. Guys like Sergio and Ward, will make it as easy of a night as possible, though I'd raise my hand and say that Ward would be the last man standing, if it came down to a GGG fight.
Cshel86
QUOTE (HyyerBlaze @ Jan 8 2014, 04:26 PM) *
Lol yup...he sure used his head movement vs Sergio.Too bad he only moved it into Sergio's gloves lol.

His face was a mess after that fight.GGG would do more damage.He ain't as fast as Sergio but at this point in his career has more power imo.

Yes, Chavez's face was a mess after that fight, but I cant stand here and say that GGG will have the same opportunities to fight a face-forward plodder like Sergio was able to. Chavez appears to fight smarter than that, and I don't see him going back to that come forward style any time soon.

Guys can say the same about Maidana, but as soon as he started boxing, it's been that much harder to have your way with him. He actually sets his punches up and works behind his jab...so I'd be quick to say that GGG would be fighting a much different Chavez.
Cshel86
QUOTE (klonopinz @ Jan 8 2014, 05:08 PM) *
dont also forget that ggg isnt a one dimensional puncher either, and he can box if he needs to. he couldnt knockdown or really hurt gabby, so he outboxed him and wore him down. He had to do that with stevens too. If he has too, he will rack up point and take the UD. He isnt a powerful one punch KO guy, he is more of a accumulation of blows ko guy, he can ko guys, but guys who can take his punch get broken down over time, thats his ace. Hes just like thurman,"they may take it for a few rounds baby, but they cant take it for all 12 thssson"

his biggest weakness imo is his lack of handspeed, hes really slow and he is very predictable. he kept throwing that left hook to the liver over and over trying to ko stevens, and he also kept throwing the overhand right. If someone like ard or sergio was in there he would be getting countered like a mofo. nobody has been able to test him like that yet tho, so well see what hes got. i think chavez fought the wrong fight with vera, his big slow dumb ass as trying to box on the move, and he just failed horribly. He coudlnt even really hurt vera and didnt even get enough respect to keep vera off him. i think ggg would beat him up just like sergio, but wthout the 12 round drama.

LMAO at "thssson"!!!

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I think Chavez fought the right type of fight against Vera...for the most part anyway. A big guy boxing and moving like that, was a sign that he isn't the same old brawler that he once was. It's still a bit too early to say, but I kinda like his boxing attempts...at least it'll extend his career a bit.

I agree that he couldn't hurt Vera, but I don't have a problem with that. He did have a long layoff and was trying something new, but the fact the couldn't stop Vera from rushing in, was a bit of a concern. Moreover, let's not forget that if all goes wrong, he'll revert back to his old style, which I believe is somewhat of a nightmare for GGG. Most big punchers LOVE for guys to walk to them...until they find out that they can't slow them down or keep them off.
Cshel86
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 8 2014, 06:13 PM) *
I love GGG and love watching him fight like many do but he's not as good as people make him out to be. And he;s damn sure not as good as Abel Sanchez thinks he is. He's getting too much credit for beating guys we knew he would beat in the first place. Fans will never learn not to fall in love with a KO artist, they always let you down.

Him and Julio would be a good fight and I'm not exactly sold that GGG would win. Chavez Jr is a big dude, I ain't buying this he putting out HW's in sparring shit because it's coming from his own people. Canelo was knocking out people in camp for the Mayweatherr fight and we all see how that turned out. Golovkin will have some trouble in the future and JCC Jr will give him problems

Styles make fights and I think fighters like Ward and I'm sure I'll take heat for this but I'd pick Andre Dirrell to beat him. I've seen moments of confusion on his face in the Rosado and the Stevens fights. What happens when he's not winning the rounds as easy as he has been before and he's in with a boxer who can stand up to his punches and throw their own shots? Ward even had it right, he saying he'll fight anyone from 160-175 but that's bullshit. If he moves up to those divisions he may get sparked

I don't know who'd win between these two but my prediction in the words of Clubber Lang is "Pain"

Can't argue with this. GGG hasn't really faced a Chavez yet, not that I'm hyping Chavez up, but the guy puts me in the mind of Margarito a bit...though Margarito was a nightmare when he walked guys down. Watching the first Cotto fight still makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck...dude didn't even have room to breathe.

I've seen that confusion on GGG's face, mainly when guys were moving...well, in their case, retreating. It started to remind me of Pac/Mosley. I mean c'mon, why is it that you cant hurt a guy in survival mode with a hurt achilles? GGG took forever to get Rosaod and Stevens outta there, and surprisingly, they're corners stopped the fight while they were still on their feet.

I tell guys all the time, making "adjustments" in fights, isn't all about countering what your opponent does...it's more about minimizing a lesser (or hurt) opponent's chances of stunting your offense. I bring up the Pac/Mosley fight a lot, because guys clown Mosley for "running" and "surviving", when in all essence, it had more to do with Pac not knowing how to cut off the ring, not being able to stop a guy in survival mode, and not stopping Mosley from blocking his left hand.
ryustuh
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 9 2014, 10:39 AM) *
Can't argue with this. GGG hasn't really faced a Chavez yet, not that I'm hyping Chavez up, but the guy puts me in the mind of Margarito a bit...though Margarito was a nightmare when he walked guys down. Watching the first Cotto fight still makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck...dude didn't even have room to breathe.

I've seen that confusion on GGG's face, mainly when guys were moving...well, in their case, retreating. It started to remind me of Pac/Mosley. I mean c'mon, why is it that you cant hurt a guy in survival mode with a hurt achilles? GGG took forever to get Rosaod and Stevens outta there, and surprisingly, they're corners stopped the fight while they were still on their feet.

I tell guys all the time, making "adjustments" in fights, isn't all about countering what your opponent does...it's more about minimizing a lesser (or hurt) opponent's chances of stunting your offense. I bring up the Pac/Mosley fight a lot, because guys clown Mosley for "running" and "surviving", when in all essence, it had more to do with Pac not knowing how to cut off the ring, not being able to stop a guy in survival mode, and not stopping Mosley from blocking his left hand.


maybe margacheato was able to walk his opponents down because he had the confidence behind plaster wraps and knew all it would take was a few solid punches to get his opponents rocked. most boxers with an iron chin and rock hard punches (literally) would be able to do the same. cotto made some good adjustments in the rematch, but i also didn't see the same level of damage being made from marg's end. would this have an impact on his ability to stalk his opponents down - who knows...

i agree with rosado's corner stopping the fight although it was too dramatic and a little bit funny (billy briscoe to father rosado: man i gotta stop the fight your son's gonna die! father rosado: meh...) rosado was a bloody mess, and i don't think he even had a puncher's chance (and a heavy puncher he is not) of getting back into the fight. might have still been on his feet, but this was a case of too tough for your own good.

i agree with you that steven's corner stopped the fight a bit early. even though ggg dropped him a few times, looked like he still had SOME wits about him, and was finding success when he was boxing in the center of the ring and not resting like an idiot on the ropes looking to counter. stevens also had a funny moment when he got clocked with a left hook (if i remember correctly) and dropped. the look on his face was priceless...almost like wtf just hit me. if anyone can find a pic of that i'd be grateful.

everything you said about making adjustments in the ring is spot on
mrchitown
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 9 2014, 09:39 AM) *
Can't argue with this. GGG hasn't really faced a Chavez yet, not that I'm hyping Chavez up, but the guy puts me in the mind of Margarito a bit...though Margarito was a nightmare when he walked guys down. Watching the first Cotto fight still makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck...dude didn't even have room to breathe.

I've seen that confusion on GGG's face, mainly when guys were moving...well, in their case, retreating. It started to remind me of Pac/Mosley. I mean c'mon, why is it that you cant hurt a guy in survival mode with a hurt achilles? GGG took forever to get Rosaod and Stevens outta there, and surprisingly, they're corners stopped the fight while they were still on their feet.

I tell guys all the time, making "adjustments" in fights, isn't all about countering what your opponent does...it's more about minimizing a lesser (or hurt) opponent's chances of stunting your offense. I bring up the Pac/Mosley fight a lot, because guys clown Mosley for "running" and "surviving", when in all essence, it had more to do with Pac not knowing how to cut off the ring, not being able to stop a guy in survival mode, and not stopping Mosley from blocking his left hand.


And in those moments of confusion that's all natural good fighter really needs. Once that small piece of doubt is created the fight quite possibly will be going the other way. He is visibly frustrated when he can't get his opponents out of there in the first few rounds.

And if he wants a fight with Chavez Jr he'll more then likely have to move up and I believe at 168, this fight is 50/50. Not only did Stevens and Rosado adjust but I notice he got hit too much and he struggled some what with both when they fought back. Chavez Jr is going to fight back and neither are defensive studs. I can't imagine GGG breezing though this one. This fight can go both ways...when GGG struggled it was when the fighters stood up to his power and hit him back. He looks good in all his fights but with Rosado and Stevens he hurt them and they didn't pack it in. That's when he had issues
Dolimite
If Chavez Jr. beats GGG the hype for he and Ward to do battle will be high pitched. The weight at 168 will be a better weight for Jr. to make. If he looks good at 168 then he has lots of competition at that weight, and he can win quality fights. He isn't beating Ward, but I do like his chances at clocking GGG. Up to this point GGG has looked like a monster, but so did a lot of fighters not having great competition. I think GGG loses this fight in considerable fashion. Jr. hits like a mule and his doppy looking face can take a licking. This can be a FOTY candidate
AZWildCat
Was I the only one that seen the sparring session they had together? Ggg ain't stopping shit. It would go the full 12.
ryustuh
QUOTE (AZWildCat @ Jan 12 2014, 01:33 PM) *
Was I the only one that seen the sparring session they had together? Ggg ain't stopping shit. It would go the full 12.


as cshel alluded to earlier, sparring isn't a real fight. i haven't seen the session you're referring to myself, but headgear, 16 oz gloves, and state of mind could produce a different outcome in a real fight.
AZWildCat
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Jan 12 2014, 12:59 PM) *
as cshel alluded to earlier, sparring isn't a real fight. i haven't seen the session you're referring to myself, but headgear, 16 oz gloves, and state of mind could produce a different outcome in a real fight.

Never intended it was
But your right no headgear smaller gloves and Chavez in a decent camp again is bad for gennady....not to mention the huge weight advantage

klonopinz
you also gottta considerat what point in time they sparred during their respective training camps, because if chavez as just starting to begin camp, he would be huge and gas easy, so he would be sparring totally different, where as if gg was at the end of his camp, he would be much sharper and crisp, yet he would be holding back alot to save himself for the fight and preventing in jury and over training, so you cant use sparring to guage a fight. i mean i saw mosley spar ggg, e all kno ho that would play out.
AZWildCat
Mosley looked like he was lost in that one
The Original MrFactor
I hate JCC Jr. However, if he took this fight, it would go a long way with me as to showing how legit this kid is. If he won, then i can see a Ward fight becoming a reality.
Cshel86
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Jan 9 2014, 11:08 AM) *
maybe margacheato was able to walk his opponents down because he had the confidence behind plaster wraps and knew all it would take was a few solid punches to get his opponents rocked. most boxers with an iron chin and rock hard punches (literally) would be able to do the same. cotto made some good adjustments in the rematch, but i also didn't see the same level of damage being made from marg's end. would this have an impact on his ability to stalk his opponents down - who knows...

i agree with rosado's corner stopping the fight although it was too dramatic and a little bit funny (billy briscoe to father rosado: man i gotta stop the fight your son's gonna die! father rosado: meh...) rosado was a bloody mess, and i don't think he even had a puncher's chance (and a heavy puncher he is not) of getting back into the fight. might have still been on his feet, but this was a case of too tough for your own good.

i agree with you that steven's corner stopped the fight a bit early. even though ggg dropped him a few times, looked like he still had SOME wits about him, and was finding success when he was boxing in the center of the ring and not resting like an idiot on the ropes looking to counter. stevens also had a funny moment when he got clocked with a left hook (if i remember correctly) and dropped. the look on his face was priceless...almost like wtf just hit me. if anyone can find a pic of that i'd be grateful.

everything you said about making adjustments in the ring is spot on

Yeah, that plaster could have had a lot to do with it...can argue with that. If he only knew that he had that same advantage without the plaster, then he could've continued to walk guys down. Now that I think about it, he may have always walked guys down, but shit, the competition was only getting harder for Margarito (as it does with all guys who are moving up the ladder. Instead of PEDs, he used plaster to keep himself afloat, while the competition got stiffer.

Cotto did make some pretty good adjustments in the rematch, but he was still doing some of the same shit that always hurts him (using his legs waaaaay to much) and he was still getting touched up pretty good. I can say that the same damage wasn't being done, because Margarito was wearing 10 oz gloves...and of course, he didn't have his plaster.

LMAO at Rosado's dad didn't give a flying flip...he just wanted his son to finish on his feet...little did he know, that wasn't even possible....he took enough punishment.
Cshel86
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 9 2014, 12:42 PM) *
And in those moments of confusion that's all natural good fighter really needs. Once that small piece of doubt is created the fight quite possibly will be going the other way. He is visibly frustrated when he can't get his opponents out of there in the first few rounds.

And if he wants a fight with Chavez Jr he'll more then likely have to move up and I believe at 168, this fight is 50/50. Not only did Stevens and Rosado adjust but I notice he got hit too much and he struggled some what with both when they fought back. Chavez Jr is going to fight back and neither are defensive studs. I can't imagine GGG breezing though this one. This fight can go both ways...when GGG struggled it was when the fighters stood up to his power and hit him back. He looks good in all his fights but with Rosado and Stevens he hurt them and they didn't pack it in. That's when he had issues

I believe the fight would definitely be a 50/50 at 168...it surely cant happen at 160. As you mentioned, GGG has problems with guys who stand up to him, takes his punches, and tries to outlast him. As far as I can see, guys are outlasting him more and more...round by round.

Im wondering how GGG will do if Chavez cuts the ring off and starts throwing to the body...HARD.
klonopinz
i dont know if this new chavez would be chasing ggg. he might try what he did with vera and fail smart, i mean fight smart. . ggg has a tendency to make guys back up, even when they are hard punchers just like him, as rosado and stevens were. now a guy like sturm or murray, a big tough durable guy with a chin and his own power who aint afraid to hold guard and trade, that will be an interesting match. hoveer if daniel the slippery eel geale was scared to death of golovkin so badly that he ould rather vacate his fuckin championship built that he worked his entire life for, then idk. cuz he went to to toe with them guys as well. i kno he fought sturm and so did murray. i dont think murray fought geale though. i think murray poses te most threat, but he even declined a fight with ggg in feb, he wants a tune up fight first on the same card i beleive. shows these guys take him very seriously
mrchitown
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 13 2014, 08:07 PM) *
I believe the fight would definitely be a 50/50 at 168...it surely cant happen at 160. As you mentioned, GGG has problems with guys who stand up to him, takes his punches, and tries to outlast him. As far as I can see, guys are outlasting him more and more...round by round.

Im wondering how GGG will do if Chavez cuts the ring off and starts throwing to the body...HARD.


I'd like to see how Golovkin fares when he's backing up. I think Chavez Jr, if he can cut the ring off and land something of significance then he can put Golovkin on his bike
Cshel86
QUOTE (klonopinz @ Jan 13 2014, 09:43 PM) *
i dont know if this new chavez would be chasing ggg. he might try what he did with vera and fail smart, i mean fight smart. . ggg has a tendency to make guys back up, even when they are hard punchers just like him, as rosado and stevens were. now a guy like sturm or murray, a big tough durable guy with a chin and his own power who aint afraid to hold guard and trade, that will be an interesting match. hoveer if daniel the slippery eel geale was scared to death of golovkin so badly that he ould rather vacate his fuckin championship built that he worked his entire life for, then idk. cuz he went to to toe with them guys as well. i kno he fought sturm and so did murray. i dont think murray fought geale though. i think murray poses te most threat, but he even declined a fight with ggg in feb, he wants a tune up fight first on the same card i beleive. shows these guys take him very seriously

I swear I couldn't read after this

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You silly bro!
Cshel86
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 13 2014, 10:23 PM) *
I'd like to see how Golovkin fares when he's backing up. I think Chavez Jr, if he can cut the ring off and land something of significance then he can put Golovkin on his bike

I think we all wanna see how our favorite fighter fights, while backing up. If he pulls it off, he's a genius, if not, then he's a hype job.

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sduck
Easy work for GGG.
Cshel86
Ryustuh...I'll be the first to say...that Kenny Bayless avi is gonna keep me laughing around here. Lol
ryustuh
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 15 2014, 01:44 PM) *
Ryustuh...I'll be the first to say...that Kenny Bayless avi is gonna keep me laughing around here. Lol


thanks bro. he's making sure shane can hear him. laugh.gif
Dolimite
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 15 2014, 11:44 AM) *
Ryustuh...I'll be the first to say...that Kenny Bayless avi is gonna keep me laughing around here. Lol

What is Broner doing in your GIF? Is that what they call dancing now? Goody Mob "They Don't Dance No More"

I like Chavez Jr. His stoning ass can take a shot and he packs a punch.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 15 2014, 04:06 PM) *
What is Broner doing in your GIF? Is that what they call dancing now? Goody Mob "They Don't Dance No More"

I like Chavez Jr. His stoning ass can take a shot and he packs a punch.


It's expensive dancing, something you aint't never gon know anything about. Versace Versace Versace lmao
MAHDI
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 15 2014, 07:15 PM) *
It's expensive dancing, something you aint't never gon know anything about. Versace Versace Versace lmao





I was in a full barber shop in harlem going in on this wack ass song. I could tell some young bloods were pissed but they know I roll with the Gods and at 6"7 got Detroit FOI training under my belt--- VERSACE VERSACE VERSACE--- WACK AS
MAHDI
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 15 2014, 07:15 PM) *
It's expensive dancing, something you aint't never gon know anything about. Versace Versace Versace lmao





I was in a full barber shop in harlem going in on this wack ass song. I could tell some young bloods were pissed but they know I roll with the Gods and at 6"7 got Detroit FOI training under my belt--- VERSACE VERSACE VERSACE--- WACK Ass fuck

I like Chavez JR in this bout... GGG train bout to get derailed... JR got to chill on the blunts though
mrchitown
QUOTE (MAHDI @ Jan 15 2014, 08:45 PM) *
I was in a full barber shop in harlem going in on this wack ass song. I could tell some young bloods were pissed but they know I roll with the Gods and at 6"7 got Detroit FOI training under my belt--- VERSACE VERSACE VERSACE--- WACK AS


It's pure garbage, I can turn any top hip hop song into comedy, shit that's what most of it is any way
AZWildCat
Versace gets no play in my ride!
Cshel86
Yall are sick! Lol

Yeah, that Versace song is wack hell...at least the guys rapping on it (whom are from the Atlanta area). The producer of the song, is "Zaytoven". When I say dude is SICK on the keyboard...he's a REAL musician! His music has been around Atlanta for the longest. If you have time, check him out on youtube...those videos of him making beats is crazy. Again...he's a REAL musician first, then a producer.

Louie V Louie V Louie V Louie V

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MAHDI
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 16 2014, 11:10 AM) *
Yall are sick! Lol

Yeah, that Versace song is wack hell...at least the guys rapping on it (whom are from the Atlanta area). The producer of the song, is "Zaytoven". When I say dude is SICK on the keyboard...he's a REAL musician! His music has been around Atlanta for the longest. If you have time, check him out on youtube...those videos of him making beats is crazy. Again...he's a REAL musician first, then a producer.

Louie V Louie V Louie V Louie V

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lmao---
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