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Gambit808
No doubt about it Vasyl Lomachenko (1-0, 1 KO) amature and olympic trials look as impressive as Guillermo Rigondeaux's, and who knows, he may give him a run for his money in the future to come, but is it fair that he's getting a title shot in his second pro bout against Orlando Salido, even if he wins?

What makes this man any different from other olympic gold medalists past and present who actually grind there way through the pro ranks to get there shot?
checkleft
I didn't think he looked very good at all.. granted it was his first pro fight but from what my lying eyes saw he is no where near rigos level.

But to answer your question it is not fair, he didn't look so good and honestly salido may fuck him up.
The Original MrFactor
Interesting... Cuban is the new craze. The pedigree is getting the shot and not the guy, if that makes sense.
mgrover
While I wouldn't say its fair, in a way the kids not being handed a title shot because of a padded record, its probably his deathwish and idea, and lets be honest Salido shouldnt really even have the title. The kid seems to want to fight, he'll happily get in there for however many rounds with however, but he gets too often...
mrchitown
If the fight makes it to the later rounds then Salido will probably knock him out. He looked ok in his first fight but nothing that says greatness. And no don't care when it is. He's shown nothing ams or in his first fight that makes me believe he could handle Rigondeaux. Listen to his manager talk about that fight. He and his whole team know they don't really want the headache of mixing it up with Rigo will bring
Cshel86
Let's get ready for a candlelight vigil....very necessary in this situation.
sduck
I don't think you can call it fair or unfair, the way boxing is designed, he made the fight with their own camp, it's not the boxing officials/commission making the fight for him.
BigFightFan
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Jan 14 2014, 11:18 PM) *
No doubt about it Vasyl Lomachenko (1-0, 1 KO) amature and olympic trials look as impressive as Guillermo Rigondeaux's, and who knows, he may give him a run for his money in the future to come, but is it fair that he's getting a title shot in his second pro bout against Orlando Salido, even if he wins?

What makes this man any different from other olympic gold medalists past and present who actually grind there way through the pro ranks to get there shot?

Maybe Arum is underestimating what Salido has remaining in the tank.
Gambit808
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 15 2014, 09:49 AM) *
If the fight makes it to the later rounds then Salido will probably knock him out. He looked ok in his first fight but nothing that says greatness. And no don't care when it is. He's shown nothing ams or in his first fight that makes me believe he could handle Rigondeaux. Listen to his manager talk about that fight. He and his whole team know they don't really want the headache of mixing it up with Rigo will bring

Did they meet in the armature's or something? IF he's able to get through Salido along with some more successful/impressive wins down the way and build up a big enough buzz, I'm sure his manager will probably be humming a different tune if ain't too soon. Rigo ain't no spring chicken, he is sort of up there in age, though his skills don't show it of course.
mrchitown
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Jan 15 2014, 07:46 PM) *
Did they meet in the armature's or something? IF he's able to get through Salido along with some more successful/impressive wins down the way and build up a big enough buzz, I'm sure his manager will probably be humming a different tune if ain't too soon. Rigo ain't no spring chicken, he is sort of up there in age, though his skills don't show it of course.


I'm not quite sure they fought against one another in the amateur ranks. He can beat Salido but the longer that one goes the worse it'll be for Lomanchenko. He didn''t look good in his debut

Rigo is no spring chicken but he's young in boxing years because he started late and he doesn't take punishment. His style suits him perfectly and I don't think his age will be a factor
Gambit808
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 15 2014, 09:37 PM) *
I'm not quite sure they fought against one another in the amateur ranks. He can beat Salido but the longer that one goes the worse it'll be for Lomanchenko. He didn''t look good in his debut

Rigo is no spring chicken but he's young in boxing years because he started late and he doesn't take punishment. His style suits him perfectly and I don't think his age will be a factor

True.

Based off his pro debut as u and checkleft put it, it wasn't standout impressive and I agree, which is another reason I question wether it's fair to guys who put that work in to be in that position. I mean, the guy was outstanding in the amature's cool, but what's the rush with this guy? Let him get well adjusted to hitting or how feels to be hit by 8oz gloves for 12 rounders before giving him a crash coarse at a title shot seems to be the smarter move IMO, but we'll see how far this goes.
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Jan 14 2014, 10:18 PM) *
No doubt about it Vasyl Lomachenko (1-0, 1 KO) amature and olympic trials look as impressive as Guillermo Rigondeaux's, and who knows, he may give him a run for his money in the future to come, but is it fair that he's getting a title shot in his second pro bout against Orlando Salido, even if he wins?

What makes this man any different from other olympic gold medalists past and present who actually grind there way through the pro ranks to get there shot?



I like the kid and I think he's good but I guess if the UFC can allow guys like Brock Lesnar to get a title shot with 2 fights then why not a guy who has proven himself in the Olympics, still the other side of me that has been following boxing forever says "no way" and that there are far more deserving fighters who have been putting in the work and should rightfully get a shot before him.
Gambit808
QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Jan 15 2014, 10:27 PM) *
I like the kid and I think he's good but I guess if the UFC can allow guys like Brock Lesnar to get a title shot with 2 fights then why not a guy who has proven himself in the Olympics, still the other side of me that has been following boxing forever says "no way" and that there are far more deserving fighters who have been putting in the work and should rightfully get a shot before him.

We seen what that move did for Brock at the end of the road though lol. IMO no need to force feed the dude, he's only what, 25?
mgrover
Rigondeux and this kid seem to be on completely different levels, the kid gets hit way too much.
checkleft
QUOTE (mgrover @ Jan 16 2014, 08:40 PM) *
Rigondeux and this kid seem to be on completely different levels, the kid gets hit way too much.

Not that there is a right person to get hit by ... But salido is the wrong dude to be taking punches from
Gambit808
Why the hell would Salido's team even agree to this? What's he got to gain from it? dntknw.gif
mrchitown
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Jan 15 2014, 09:23 PM) *
True.

Based off his pro debut as u and checkleft put it, it wasn't standout impressive and I agree, which is another reason I question wether it's fair to guys who put that work in to be in that position. I mean, the guy was outstanding in the amature's cool, but what's the rush with this guy? Let him get well adjusted to hitting or how feels to be hit by 8oz gloves for 12 rounders before giving him a crash coarse at a title shot seems to be the smarter move IMO, but we'll see how far this goes.


Lomanchenko wanted the title shot this early. I'm not sure so don't quote me on this but I think his team had it put in the contract that way. Gotta give him credit, at least he's willing to prove himself but I think he chose the wrong opponent in Salido. Lomanchenko will most likely have success but for someone who hasn't fought on the championship level and to go into deep waters with a guy like Salido is going to be tough.
daprofessor
Y'all are trippin. I guess I've been gone too long. Lomanchenko is a two time gold medalist. He stopped a very solid fighter in his first fight as a pro. He's going to be Salido as well. He's the real deal.
Gambit808
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 19 2014, 03:52 AM) *
Y'all are trippin. I guess I've been gone too long. Lomanchenko is a two time gold medalist. He stopped a very solid fighter in his first fight as a pro. He's going to be Salido as well. He's the real deal.

I get all that Professor, one gold medal yet alone is hard to get, but two is special, but it's still seems kind of rushed to me. This is the pro's and even though your fighting everybody whose everybody in the Olympics, the pro's don't have headgear (headgear rule changed for 2016), gloves, rounds, or even the scoring system. He stopped a solid opponent in his debut, but how does the scream title shot automatically? He was taking shots too. If u were training a fighter with his backround and pedigree, u wouldn't wanna atlease get him 10 pro fights or atlease see how he looks going a 10-12 round distance before giving him a crash coarse lesson at a title? With all the glory he had in the armature's/Olympics, he still has some question marks on his head with me on a pro level.
Gambit808
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Jan 19 2014, 06:56 AM) *
I get all that Professor, one gold medal yet alone is hard to get, but two is special, but it's still seems kind of rushed to me. This is the pro's and even though your fighting everybody whose everybody in the Olympics, the pro's don't have headgear (headgear rule changed for 2016), gloves, rounds, or even the scoring system. He stopped a solid opponent in his debut, but how does the scream title shot automatically? He was taking shots too. If u were training a fighter with his backround and pedigree, u wouldn't wanna atlease get him 10 pro fights or atlease see how he looks going a 10-12 round distance before giving him a crash coarse lesson at a title? With all the glory he had in the armature's/Olympics, he still has some question marks on his head with me on a pro level.

mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 19 2014, 02:52 AM) *
Y'all are trippin. I guess I've been gone too long. Lomanchenko is a two time gold medalist. He stopped a very solid fighter in his first fight as a pro. He's going to be Salido as well. He's the real deal.


Rican please, he could very well be the real deal but after one pro fight you anointing this guy? Nah, I need to see more. I wasn't sold on Thurman but he's got me hooked now because he has improved each time out. I can't crown a dude who had success in the ams because this ain't the ams, this the big boy league

I think many of us here believe Lomanchenko can win but if Salido can weather the early on slaught then Vasyl will be in trouble most likely. He still don't deserve no title shot I'm his 2nd fight, IDGAF what you say. He's not that's good and you know it, to deserve that...and Rigo beats his ass everyday of the week and 3x on Sunday. I already see fear in him and his team in regards to a fight with Rigo
daprofessor
QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Jan 19 2014, 07:56 AM) *
I get all that Professor, one gold medal yet alone is hard to get, but two is special, but it's still seems kind of rushed to me. This is the pro's and even though your fighting everybody whose everybody in the Olympics, the pro's don't have headgear (headgear rule changed for 2016), gloves, rounds, or even the scoring system. He stopped a solid opponent in his debut, but how does the scream title shot automatically? He was taking shots too. If u were training a fighter with his backround and pedigree, u wouldn't wanna atlease get him 10 pro fights or atlease see how he looks going a 10-12 round distance before giving him a crash coarse lesson at a title? With all the glory he had in the armature's/Olympics, he still has some question marks on his head with me on a pro level.


The headgear really hampers you IMO. As for the gloves...there is only a 2oz difference. Them shits hurt regardless. He has subtle defense and doesn't get hit as much as ppl think...kind of like GGG. I'll also add that he competed in the WSB so technically that was his 7th fight without a headgear in the pro ranks.
daprofessor
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jan 19 2014, 12:18 PM) *
Rican please, he could very well be the real deal but after one pro fight you anointing this guy? Nah, I need to see more. I wasn't sold on Thurman but he's got me hooked now because he has improved each time out. I can't crown a dude who had success in the ams because this ain't the ams, this the big boy league

I think many of us here believe Lomanchenko can win but if Salido can weather the early on slaught then Vasyl will be in trouble most likely. He still don't deserve no title shot I'm his 2nd fight, IDGAF what you say. He's not that's good and you know it, to deserve that...and Rigo beats his ass everyday of the week and 3x on Sunday. I already see fear in him and his team in regards to a fight with Rigo


I've been sold on Thurman. I don't need to see a guy 20 times before I know he has skills or not. Again...he fought 6 fights without headgear in the WSB. His pro debut under toprank was his 7th without a headgear. He is a 2 time gold medalist. They are rare in boxing. He ha aligned himself with a powerful promoter. it doesn't matter if we think he is ready or not...he's getting his shot. When he beats Salido easily come back and talk to me.
klonopinz
i think he might end up liek juanma lopez.....well see, he ould be a very nice addition to top rank though, because mikey and nonito are right there to fight.
mrchitown
QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 20 2014, 04:58 PM) *
I've been sold on Thurman. I don't need to see a guy 20 times before I know he has skills or not. Again...he fought 6 fights without headgear in the WSB. His pro debut under toprank was his 7th without a headgear. He is a 2 time gold medalist. They are rare in boxing. He ha aligned himself with a powerful promoter. it doesn't matter if we think he is ready or not...he's getting his shot. When he beats Salido easily come back and talk to me.


Maaybe that's the problem, too many gimme's being handed out to those who haven't earned it. I'll let you pom pom and pull your skirt up for the guy, I'm not built like that.

Don't be so quick to write Salido off, I expect more from someone who calls them self a professor. Lomanchenko isn't as good as you make him out to be. This ain't the Olympics and who the fuck follows that WSB shit? I stated that he could beat Salido but if that fight goes into the later rounds it could interesting. I guess you were impressed with his pro debut, and I mean his REAL pro debut?

Let's say he does win, I think GRJ is a mandatory for that belt and another one as well, I don't even think he could beat Gary. When he does something of substance to warrant this cheer leading then you can come back and talk to me
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