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AZWildCat
http://www.fighthype.com/news/external/ind...cold-war--74372


“You [have to] understand that whatever is said, it has nothing to do with ‘they won’t do business with us’ or ‘we don’t’ do business with them’. That’s all bullsh*t. I mean I lived with [Don] King for so many years where we were competitors and we did business together. The problem is Showtime. Showtime won’t deal with any promoter except Golden Boy! So why should I take a fighter and give them to Showtime when they won’t deal with Top Rank or any other promoter other than Golden Boy,”

they offered you Doniare vs mares and showed you the money dont use that one.

“Showtime is the one that’s at fault and CBS has allowed them to get away with this kind of thing. It’s never happened before in the sport of boxing where one entity only deals with one promoter. When is the last time another promoter – forget Top Rank – any other promoter has put a fight on for Showtime?”

is there truth to this?



“ they take a fight a Canelo-Angulo which belongs on Showtime and they put it on pay per view. What is that?”

ill give that one to him that is not a ppv fight.



“They have a guy [Stephen Espinoza] in charge of Showtime Sports, he signed Mayweather; if you’re a subscriber for Showtime, what the hell difference does it mean to you? Mayweather isn’t on Showtime, he’s on pay-per-view. If you have a subscription, you can’t see a Mayweather fight on Showtime. It’s ridiculous”.

100% truth ...i hate to say it but bob has a very valid point!


your thoughts
mgrover
QUOTE (AZWildCat @ Feb 5 2014, 06:23 PM) *
http://www.fighthype.com/news/external/ind...cold-war--74372


“You [have to] understand that whatever is said, it has nothing to do with ‘they won’t do business with us’ or ‘we don’t’ do business with them’. That’s all bullsh*t. I mean I lived with [Don] King for so many years where we were competitors and we did business together. The problem is Showtime. Showtime won’t deal with any promoter except Golden Boy! So why should I take a fighter and give them to Showtime when they won’t deal with Top Rank or any other promoter other than Golden Boy,”

they offered you Doniare vs mares and showed you the money dont use that one.

“Showtime is the one that’s at fault and CBS has allowed them to get away with this kind of thing. It’s never happened before in the sport of boxing where one entity only deals with one promoter. When is the last time another promoter – forget Top Rank – any other promoter has put a fight on for Showtime?”

is there truth to this?



“ they take a fight a Canelo-Angulo which belongs on Showtime and they put it on pay per view. What is that?”

ill give that one to him that is not a ppv fight.



“They have a guy [Stephen Espinoza] in charge of Showtime Sports, he signed Mayweather; if you’re a subscriber for Showtime, what the hell difference does it mean to you? Mayweather isn’t on Showtime, he’s on pay-per-view. If you have a subscription, you can’t see a Mayweather fight on Showtime. It’s ridiculous”.

100% truth ...i hate to say it but bob has a very valid point!


your thoughts


even a hypocrite speaks the truth now and again
AZWildCat
QUOTE (AZWildCat @ Feb 5 2014, 01:23 PM) *
“Showtime is the one that’s at fault and CBS has allowed them to get away with this kind of thing. It’s never happened before in the sport of boxing where one entity only deals with one promoter. When is the last time another promoter – forget Top Rank – any other promoter has put a fight on for Showtime?”

is there truth to this?


Donny got a card on the 22nd....go figure

QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 5 2014, 01:24 PM) *
even a hypocrite speaks the truth now and again

True
ryustuh
QUOTE (AZWildCat @ Feb 5 2014, 01:23 PM) *
“Showtime is the one that’s at fault and CBS has allowed them to get away with this kind of thing. It’s never happened before in the sport of boxing where one entity only deals with one promoter. When is the last time another promoter – forget Top Rank – any other promoter has put a fight on for Showtime?”

is there truth to this?


just did some quick research on this cuz right off the bat, it seems absurd that cbs/showtime airs only GBP fighters. just as an example, hank lundy's got a fight coming up soon, and neither him or santana are listed on the GBP website.
ryustuh
QUOTE (AZWildCat @ Feb 5 2014, 06:51 PM) *
Donny got a card on the 22nd....go figure


jus saw this after i posted. is this the lundy santana card on the 21st or a different one?
AZWildCat
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Feb 5 2014, 10:16 PM) *
jus saw this after i posted. is this the lundy santana card on the 21st or a different one?

That's the one...actually on paper that looks like a damn good fight
ryustuh
QUOTE (AZWildCat @ Feb 5 2014, 09:50 PM) *
That's the one...actually on paper that looks like a damn good fight


hank's been showin up on my fb feed...likes to post up all his workouts and such. seems like he's training hard. says after santana he wants matthyse
AZWildCat
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Feb 5 2014, 10:00 PM) *
hank's been showin up on my fb feed...likes to post up all his workouts and such. seems like he's training hard. says after santana he wants matthyse


Good to hear...more props to him...I know he was campaigning for a broner fight before his last lost
mrchitown
Usual rhetoric, 99% bullshit with 1% truth. Truth is it's bullshit on both sides, between the promoters and the networks. He had some valid points like the Canelo fight, that's really a regular network fight but on the flip side, you have to start somewhere. He can't fight on Mayweather cards forever. I'll leave most of it alone. Still can't believe that he's brining up DK, as if historically he's a better promoter then Don
AZWildCat
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 5 2014, 11:21 PM) *
Usual rhetoric, 99% bullshit with 1% truth. Truth is it's bullshit on both sides, between the promoters and the networks. He had some valid points like the Canelo fight, that's really a regular network fight but on the flip side, you have to start somewhere. He can't fight on Mayweather cards forever. I'll leave most of it alone. Still can't believe that he's brining up DK, as if historically he's a better promoter then Don


Don may have screwed alota folks but he made big fights happen in every era of boxing he's been apart of!
Cshel86
QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 5 2014, 01:24 PM) *
even a hypocrite speaks the truth now and again

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mrchitown
QUOTE (AZWildCat @ Feb 5 2014, 10:05 PM) *
Don may have screwed alota folks but he made big fights happen in every era of boxing he's been apart of!


True, he would still be on top if he wasn't such a greedy little bastard. Arum is and always will be a main event guy, Don King was the first promoter EVER to stack a card from top to bottom. His cards were always more enjoyable then Arum's and so was many of his main events too
Dolimite
Pacquiao doesn't fight on HBO if that is the case. If I remember HBO said that would stop doing business with GB fighters. Didn't Pacman fight in a showtime PPV? If Rob is so ready to end this shit, have Rigondeaux fight Leo Santa Cruz and give GRJ Mike Garcia. it is all talk. Now fans are fighting over damn networks
AZWildCat
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 6 2014, 11:29 AM) *
Pacquiao doesn't fight on HBO if that is the case. If I remember HBO said that would stop doing business with GB fighters. Didn't Pacman fight in a showtime PPV? If Rob is so ready to end this shit, have Rigondeaux fight Leo Santa Cruz and give GRJ Mike Garcia. it is all talk. Now fans are fighting over damn networks


your right its been years since manny was on the HBOboxing

he not ending shit..thats to much money to share

Dolimite
Rob Arum, said on FNF on ESPN, the reason why Floyd won't fight Pac is because he is afraid to fight a Southpaw. He even compared Floyd to fucking Hitler. I was speechless. Why do they let him get away with this shit? Question, why do people say "when will Floyd fight Pacquiao?" Why won't people ever phrase the question "when will Pac fight Floyd? " Media bias is a bitch.
ryustuh
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 7 2014, 11:23 PM) *
Rob Arum, said on FNF on ESPN, the reason why Floyd won't fight Pac is because he is afraid to fight a Southpaw. He even compared Floyd to fucking Hitler. I was speechless. Why do they let him get away with this shit? Question, why do people say "when will Floyd fight Pacquiao?" Why won't people ever phrase the question "when will Pac fight Floyd? " Media bias is a bitch.


think alot of the bias has to do with how floyd played the villain role throughout most of his career. he's calmed down quite a bit, but people still see him as a money flaunting arrogant dude. meanwhile, manny plays the act of being a devout Catholic and respectful congressman who serves the people.

arum understands how easy it is to prey on the casual fan who really doesnt take the time to study the sport or the fighters. it's a shame bc it's causing alot of pure hatred among floyd/manny fans who cant see both sides of the issue. instead, they fall into the trap of following whatever bullshit propaganda is laid out in front of them. i think, in a way, arum's helping floyd gain attention and controversy, both of which add to his cash flow. dont know why he has to stoop so low with the hitler comment...guess he's that butt hurt over all his best fighters ditching him for bigger and better.
AZWildCat
Man you got pacman fanatics preaching this stuff like Gospel to people who don't know no better and then you got the people who just hate the dude using it to enforce the propaganda.




But Manny opponents are never questioned



They never look or acknowledge the fact that golden boy and top rank never do business.

You can break it down for em unbiasedly and you'll realize who's been misinformationed and who wants to be ignorant about just for dislikes sake
ryustuh
the only positive thing i will say about those in the pac fan club is that they are absolutely relentless and will never quit. it's like talking to a brick wall sometimes...nothing gets through not even the most basic facts. after each debate ends and the dust clears, one side just gives up and the pactards are still there spewing their shit to anyone who listens. it's ruining it for me cuz i used to respect pacquiao and enjoy watching his fights, but now its like an evil part of me just wants him to get KO'd cold into retirement to shut up all his followers.
AZWildCat
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Feb 7 2014, 10:47 PM) *
think alot of the bias has to do with how floyd played the villain role throughout most of his career. he's calmed down quite a bit, but people still see him as a money flaunting arrogant dude. meanwhile, manny plays the act of being a devout Catholic and respectful congressman who serves the people.

arum understands how easy it is to prey on the casual fan who really doesnt take the time to study the sport or the fighters. it's a shame bc it's causing alot of pure hatred among floyd/manny fans who cant see both sides of the issue. instead, they fall into the trap of following whatever bullshit propaganda is laid out in front of them. i think, in a way, arum's helping floyd gain attention and controversy, both of which add to his cash flow. dont know why he has to stoop so low with the hitler comment...guess he's that butt hurt over all his best fighters ditching him for bigger and better.

Sad part is he was never a villain till the de la hoya fight...that's when all this shit started.
AZWildCat
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Feb 7 2014, 10:58 PM) *
the only positive thing i will say about those in the pac fan club is that they are absolutely relentless and will never quit. it's like talking to a brick wall sometimes...nothing gets through not even the most basic facts. after each debate ends and the dust clears, one side just gives up and the pactards are still there spewing their shit to anyone who listens. it's ruining it for me cuz i used to respect pacquiao and enjoy watching his fights, but now its like an evil part of me just wants him to get KO'd cold into retirement to shut up all his followers.

Marquez for president laugh.gif

Them bastards was ghost for months after that ko!
ryustuh
QUOTE (AZWildCat @ Feb 8 2014, 12:03 AM) *
Sad part is he was never a villain till the de la hoya fight...that's when all this shit started.


i know man. it's like if people actually studied floyd's early career and how humble he was, they'd be shocked. no one knows about him revering genaro hernandez or telling chico corrales to respect his pops. all they pay attention to is the negatives and it is a damn shame bc that's not at all who the dude is. on the other side you got a guy who claims his allegiance to Catholicism yet gambles excessively, cheats on his wife, and owes the IRS millions. everyone's got shit twisted.
mrchitown
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Feb 7 2014, 10:08 PM) *
i know man. it's like if people actually studied floyd's early career and how humble he was, they'd be shocked. no one knows about him revering genaro hernandez or telling chico corrales to respect his pops. all they pay attention to is the negatives and it is a damn shame bc that's not at all who the dude is. on the other side you got a guy who claims his allegiance to Catholicism yet gambles excessively, cheats on his wife, and owes the IRS millions. everyone's got shit twisted.


And eats aborted duck fetuses
ryustuh
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 8 2014, 12:19 AM) *
And eats aborted duck fetuses


LMAO gonna have to steal this one
mrchitown
Arum will take 1 step forward then say or do something and take 4 or 5 steps back. I found the hitler reference to be extremely insulting. In an earlier interview it was because of Showtime/CBS now it's because of Mayweather being afraid of the southpaw style, and he forgets that in recent yrs, his fights have been against lefties (Ortiz, Guerrero)...what a dope

It's the same thing with the guy, when ever Manny fights, Arum is the FIRST person to bring up the Mayweather fight. I think a lot of fans see it but they turn a blind eye to it
mrchitown
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Feb 7 2014, 10:21 PM) *
LMAO gonna have to steal this one


Did you see that vid? You can tell he's not a good liar, they busted his dumb ass and he had the I just found out I fathered 8 kids on Maury show face lmao

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/2014/tmz-flo...not-well-spent/

ryustuh
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 8 2014, 12:25 AM) *
Did you see that vid? You can tell he's not a good liar, they busted his dumb ass and he had the I just found out I fathered 8 kids on Maury show face lmao

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/2014/tmz-flo...not-well-spent/


thanks bro that shit made my night.

balu? balu? lmfao...dude cant even look at the camera straight on he's like "shit u got me"
mrchitown
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Feb 7 2014, 10:28 PM) *
thanks bro that shit made my night.

balu? balu? lmfao...dude cant even look at the camera straight on he's like "shit u got me"


I almost spit my water out when his facial expression changed, that should be a gif in the making lol
BrutUalBK
QUOTE (AZWildCat @ Feb 5 2014, 12:23 PM) *
http://www.fighthype.com/news/external/ind...cold-war--74372


“You [have to] understand that whatever is said, it has nothing to do with ‘they won’t do business with us’ or ‘we don’t’ do business with them’. That’s all bullsh*t. I mean I lived with [Don] King for so many years where we were competitors and we did business together. The problem is Showtime. Showtime won’t deal with any promoter except Golden Boy! So why should I take a fighter and give them to Showtime when they won’t deal with Top Rank or any other promoter other than Golden Boy,”

they offered you Doniare vs mares and showed you the money dont use that one.

“Showtime is the one that’s at fault and CBS has allowed them to get away with this kind of thing. It’s never happened before in the sport of boxing where one entity only deals with one promoter. When is the last time another promoter – forget Top Rank – any other promoter has put a fight on for Showtime?”

is there truth to this?



“ they take a fight a Canelo-Angulo which belongs on Showtime and they put it on pay per view. What is that?”

ill give that one to him that is not a ppv fight.



“They have a guy [Stephen Espinoza] in charge of Showtime Sports, he signed Mayweather; if you’re a subscriber for Showtime, what the hell difference does it mean to you? Mayweather isn’t on Showtime, he’s on pay-per-view. If you have a subscription, you can’t see a Mayweather fight on Showtime. It’s ridiculous”.

100% truth ...i hate to say it but bob has a very valid point!


your thoughts


The thing that sticks out the most that I disagree with is your statement of Canelo vs Angulo not being PPV, I think the exposure that Floyd gave to Saul has made him a star and he picked the perfect candidate in Angulo to duel with because basically Angulo is an Arturo Gatti type who simply comes forward offering little defense which makes for an action-packed affair.

I think you'll be mildly surprised how well this fight sells once the ppv numbers come forward. Arum is FOS though, I can't hardly believe anything that comes out of his lying a$$ mouth.
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