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AZWildCat
after his war with the ghost and his stoppage loss to karass he needs a dub bad. i wanna say take an easy fight but not Don Flamenco easy, he needs to show some improvement and personal identity in the ring. he cant afford another loss or his career is a done dolla. dont be surprised if he loses and ends up on the next lightweight season of TUF!



who's a good comeback fight for him?
ryustuh
maybe a fight with zab. not exactly easy, but given the way zab's been fighting lately, i think berto could impose his will and stop him from doing too much. andre's definitely got the chin to walk through anything judah throws, and zab doesnt exactly respond well to pressure. not necessarily an immediate comeback fight, but i think this is one in the near future that would give andre a solid test as well as some confidence if he pulls out the win. you are right about him having an identity crisis...he needs to give up the shoulder roll entirely IMO.
Dolimite
Either he fights Guerrero or Ortiz.
mrchitown
QUOTE (ryustuh @ Feb 6 2014, 04:34 PM) *
maybe a fight with zab. not exactly easy, but given the way zab's been fighting lately, i think berto could impose his will and stop him from doing too much. andre's definitely got the chin to walk through anything judah throws, and zab doesnt exactly respond well to pressure. not necessarily an immediate comeback fight, but i think this is one in the near future that would give andre a solid test as well as some confidence if he pulls out the win. you are right about him having an identity crisis...he needs to give up the shoulder roll entirely IMO.


The way Berto falls into his opponents because of his bad balance, he's a sucker for Judah's lethal uppercut. This is a 50/50 fight. Berto needs a win not a potential KO again. I don't think he should tangle with Zab at this time
mrchitown
QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 6 2014, 04:51 PM) *
Either he fights Guerrero or Ortiz.


You will never be a matchmaker. Who wants to see a Guerrero rematch? There's no reason for it and Ortiz might beat him again. He needs a win, badly. And that's the opposition you'd put him in with? I'm glad you don't manage fighters Dolomite lol
mrchitown
He needs to rebuild, I said it before. You don't rebuild a fighter from top to bottom by putting him in with a Guerrero or Victor etc. He needs to fight someone tough who'll give him rds but he doesn't need a stiff test. Virgil needs to improve Berto's balance, his defense and a host of other things. Berto doesn't need to be in with a tough opponent but he needs someone who'll give him some good rds so he can work on improving. And when or if he does get back to world class level then you put him back in with Guerrero and a Ortiz but not now
checkleft
I can't really be sure what to expect, he hurt his shoulder pretty early in the fight against karass. He has a helluva heart.
AZWildCat
QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 6 2014, 11:20 PM) *
I can't really be sure what to expect, he hurt his shoulder pretty early in the fight against karass. He has a helluva heart.

Your right I wouldn't call him a quitter but its like he lacks confidence in the ring
Cshel86
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 6 2014, 06:32 PM) *
He needs to rebuild, I said it before. You don't rebuild a fighter from top to bottom by putting him in with a Guerrero or Victor etc. He needs to fight someone tough who'll give him rds but he doesn't need a stiff test. Virgil needs to improve Berto's balance, his defense and a host of other things. Berto doesn't need to be in with a tough opponent but he needs someone who'll give him some good rds so he can work on improving. And when or if he does get back to world class level then you put him back in with Guerrero and a Ortiz but not now

Agreed. Throw him in there somebody like...well shit, there's really not too many safe fights out there for him. Maybe a Humberto Soto fight, but who knows. The sad thing is, Berto wont be at the elite level anymore...as if he ever was.

The other sick thing is, they can still make a Shane Mosley fight, or at best, a Judah fight. A Judah fight may be too much of a treat, but it's still too early to tell. Like you said, Virgil has a nice bit of work to do with Berto.

I wonder how an Ortiz rematch would look by the end of this year, since both of them are at the end of the rope...
mrchitown
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 6 2014, 10:08 PM) *
Agreed. Throw him in there somebody like...well shit, there's really not too many safe fights out there for him. Maybe a Humberto Soto fight, but who knows. The sad thing is, Berto wont be at the elite level anymore...as if he ever was.

The other sick thing is, they can still make a Shane Mosley fight, or at best, a Judah fight. A Judah fight may be too much of a treat, but it's still too early to tell. Like you said, Virgil has a nice bit of work to do with Berto.

I wonder how an Ortiz rematch would look by the end of this year, since both of them are at the end of the rope...


Damn you just brought up a good tournament. How about a mini tourney with Judah, Berto, Ortiz, and Mosley. There all in the same boat. March them up and the losers ride off into the sunset and the winner gets one more shot at the big time. Why not? We may get some good fights out of it

Berto doesn't quit and I think we all live that about him but in a way he's his own worse enemy. He throws shots and falls in and defensively he's not the tightest. I also think his physique works against him. He doesn't have a boxer frame he got more of the mma square up type of body. He's too tight most of the fight and I think his muscular build is a reason why. He looks like he should be in a weight lifting contest instead of a fight

Good thing is at least he's training with Hunter right now and hopefully tightening up on those holes in his game. I think this is his last run so they need to be very very careful how they match him from here on out
Jovi
Berto vs Malinaggi, Berto vs Khan, Berto vs Broner, Berto vs Judah....Idk if its worth really trying to "rebuild" him and put him as the main event with a tomato can, his name still holds value and if anything he could be a solid gatekeeper.

He has a chance against any of the said names because his handpower, and hand speed, but other than his hands he doesnt have anything else. No legs, no defense, more of a brawler than boxer, his upperbody compared to his lower body is too unproportionate, he looked like he was about to fall over at any moment against soto karass; No balance.

I've been wanting that Berto/Ortiz rematch.

He may not win but i would like to see Thurman get to Berto, a highlight waiting to happen.
AZWildCat
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 7 2014, 12:43 AM) *
Damn you just brought up a good tournament. How about a mini tourney with Judah, Berto, Ortiz, and Mosley. There all in the same boat. March them up and the losers ride off into the sunset and the winner gets one more shot at the big time. Why not? We may get some good fights out of it

Berto doesn't quit and I think we all live that about him but in a way he's his own worse enemy. He throws shots and falls in and defensively he's not the tightest. I also think his physique works against him. He doesn't have a boxer frame he got more of the mma square up type of body. He's too tight most of the fight and I think his muscular build is a reason why. He looks like he should be in a weight lifting contest instead of a fight

Good thing is at least he's training with Hunter right now and hopefully tightening up on those holes in his game. I think this is his last run so they need to be very very careful how they match him from here on out


This!!!
QUOTE (Jovi @ Feb 7 2014, 12:50 AM) *
Berto vs Malinaggi, Berto vs Khan, Berto vs Broner, Berto vs Judah....Idk if its worth really trying to "rebuild" him and put him as the main event with a tomato can, his name still holds value and if anything he could be a solid gatekeeper.

He has a chance against any of the said names because his handpower, and hand speed, but other than his hands he doesnt have anything else. No legs, no defense, more of a brawler than boxer, his upperbody compared to his lower body is too unproportionate, he looked like he was about to fall over at any moment against soto karass; No balance.

I've been wanting that Berto/Ortiz rematch.

He may not win but i would like to see Thurman get to Berto, a highlight waiting to happen.




Khan wont happen ...same trainer...,,him n Thurman used to train together in Florida same team ...Thurman was known for sleeping his ass...not wise

AZWildCat
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checkleft
QUOTE (AZWildCat @ Feb 6 2014, 10:47 PM) *
Your right I wouldn't call him a quitter but its like he lacks confidence in the ring

He came into that fight with new life it seemed and a lot of confidence, but that shoulder injury took the wind right out of his sail.
Dolimite
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 6 2014, 04:18 PM) *
You will never be a matchmaker. Who wants to see a Guerrero rematch? There's no reason for it and Ortiz might beat him again. He needs a win, badly. And that's the opposition you'd put him in with? I'm glad you don't manage fighters Dolomite lol

I want to see Berto vs. Ortiz, loser leaves the sport. I would take Berto vs. Paulie M. as well.
AZWildCat
QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 7 2014, 02:05 AM) *
He came into that fight with new life it seemed and a lot of confidence, but that shoulder injury took the wind right out of his sail.


Karass should be the only one he fights then ......put Lope z Ortiz 2 on the same card with Judah and someone else ...I believe Mosley finally hung em up..said he's just training other fighters now
Cshel86
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 6 2014, 11:43 PM) *
Damn you just brought up a good tournament. How about a mini tourney with Judah, Berto, Ortiz, and Mosley. There all in the same boat. March them up and the losers ride off into the sunset and the winner gets one more shot at the big time. Why not? We may get some good fights out of it

Berto doesn't quit and I think we all live that about him but in a way he's his own worse enemy. He throws shots and falls in and defensively he's not the tightest. I also think his physique works against him. He doesn't have a boxer frame he got more of the mma square up type of body. He's too tight most of the fight and I think his muscular build is a reason why. He looks like he should be in a weight lifting contest instead of a fight

Good thing is at least he's training with Hunter right now and hopefully tightening up on those holes in his game. I think this is his last run so they need to be very very careful how they match him from here on out

I don't wanna be responsible for that type of tourney! laugh.gif

Now that I think about it, it isn't such a bad idea after all. Get all of them in there within two months of each other, so we can see the results quickly...rather wait 6-8 months to watch them dick it up again.

Berto though...dude has had it tough for the past 2 years...since the Ortiz fight. He just looked "out of it" in the Ortiz fight, he got caught up in a dog fight against Guerrero (with a BS ref as well), and his shoulder left him hanging in the JSK fight. Through all of those fights...he fought his hardest, hands down.

We all see the technical issues in his fight game, but his team has somewhat failed him too. They should've thrown him in there with Karass at the time that he fought Guerrero...that's when he needed a confidence builder. He had already been out for a long time, had a bicep injury, then went through the whole PED nonsense...just why in the hell would they put him in there with Guerrero that soon?

Anyhow, as you mentioned, he has some heavy lifting to do (not literally), so any little mishap in his next fight (getting caught with a good shot that hurts him, getting knocked down, sustaining an injury, etc), is gonna mess up his "comeback".

I'm not sure how hard it is for Berto make 147, but maybe, just maybe, he could come back and fight somebody like Morales at 144...so it wont look like a complete mismatch. Do that, get some attention, then do his next fight at 47. I know that sounds dumb as hell, but at this point, Berto needs a confidence builder, and thanks to his team feeding him tomato cans for so long to the point that ALL of his upcoming fights had to be significant...he needs a name on his resume. Hell, truthfully, his second comeback fight needs to be Hank Lundy...
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