QUOTE (pacco_diablo @ Feb 11 2014, 02:45 PM)
I'm not going to pretend to know why the fight broke down the first time. I've read all the reasons from both sides as to why it didnt happen and it's easy to get caught up in that shit storm of trying to defend either one, which is pretty much what you eluded to and I agree. However, we live in the "what have you done for me lately," times, so I'm separating the old saga from the new. The new saga being what happens from now until the end of 15 when Mayweather retires.
I still stand by my belief that it would be the fight that would win the "who do you want to watch" poll. What bothers me the most is that Floyd has pretty much already said, and recently, that he isnt going to fight Manny because of X,Y and Z reasons. That almost makes it seem like he believes that he's bigger than the game. Then to say, "Hey, I'm going to let my fans choose my next opponent, but between these two guys" is like false interactivity. It's hard to say that Floyd wouldnt be responsible for the fight not happening now. He has all the chips and he's playing puppet master.
I will admit that I'm probably ahead of myself because of my assumption that Manny is going to beat Bradley. So despite the angst by many on the subject matter, we will more than likely be seeing a more revved up version next month through May, right into the September sweepstakes.
On the post topic though, I don't believe that you can gain recognition or notoriety by just saying someones name or calling them out. It's a part of the boxing game that nearly every fighter participates in.
In regard to Hopkins, I love him. I love what he's done and who he is. I think his faults over the 2000's though are similar to the catch weight issues that you brought up. De La Hoya and Winky Wright were both "huge" PPVs (relatively speaking) and they were both smaller guys. Tarver & the beating he put on Pavlik were extremely impressive but Taylor kept him out of the running for me. Now Mayweather is a different story but the decision probably came in the middle of the shit storm between he and Pac, on the wrong day.
I know it would, but this fight is like a gallon of milk, the expiration date has passed on it. Now by no means would I not attend or purchase the fight if it happened but as far as relevance to their legacies and the history of boxing...it ain't shit. The fight now won't do much except provide some of us with the "I told you so" argument
I don't care whose responsible for what, when, and how, and now. It doesn't change the facts that both sides are full of shit and neither really want the fight. Could've happened many times before but both sides let foolish things get in the way. Sure Mayweather holds all the chips, Manny is a former shell of himself but he's full of shit too. His line is open 24/7 but yet when he got the call he said 50/50 which he didn't deserve and handed the phone back to the snake Koncz, Manny is weak. If Mayweather is the puppetmaster then Manny is the perfect puppet. I know newborns who make better decisions then him. I place the blame equally on all sides, no one can sell me on the fact that Mayweather is the cause now just because history has proven wrong...when they(TR) got called on their bluff 2 times, the only 2 times the fight was negotiated, THEY walked away. I personally don't give a shit what Mayweather has to say about Manny and I don't give a shit what Manny has to say about Floyd because it's all bullshit, ain't nobody lacing em up
I'm just going to say what I thought when I heard Pacquiao won fighter of the decade, it was a popularity contest...when taking into consideration resume, wins and a few other factors, Manny doesn't stand up to Floyd's and Bernard's resume, not then and not now. I personally thought it should've gone to Hopkins but he's not popular because of things he says and does...Pacquiao was the media darling around the time he won it. I mean look at it, Roach won trainer of the year last year from the boxing writers association...You got to be kidding me, why not Floyd Sr or Joel Diaz or Angel Garcia...it's bullshit
But back to the fight between Floyd and Manny, neither are in fear of the other, it's just egos are in the way. Both have stipulations and every time you hear about it, it's something new. Maybe we'll see it maybe we won't, but whether it happens or not I could care less. I just don't think we can accurately say one side is more to blame then the other