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philly31
Now that GGG vs Chavez is almost done, and the winner of that likely gets the winner of Cotto vs Martinez, I think it's time for Ward to either move up to 175 or let his contract expire and fight on all networks, including ESPN (especially during football season) like stivern vs arreola is doing. Injuries aside, Ward should've been a ppv fighter by now but he can't even headline a fight outside of Oakland. After his HBO contact is up, I'm sure golden boy can co-promote Ward on a solid card at Barclay's or MGM. I could even see him as the co-main event on a Mayweather fight. And if a fight with Kovalev becomes an option at 175, I'm sure HBO will welcome him back like they did Cotto.
mrchitown
What info are you privy to that has Julio making the MW limit again lol. If you mean if Gennady wins he'll target the winner of the fight between Miguel and Sergio but ain't no way in hell Julio making 160.

Ward is fine, you can't make people fight you when they don't want to. He's high risk low reward, end of story
Marcus
QUOTE (philly31 @ Mar 28 2014, 11:31 AM) *
Now that GGG vs Chavez is almost done, and the winner of that likely gets the winner of Cotto vs Martinez, I think it's time for Ward to either move up to 175 or let his contract expire and fight on all networks, including ESPN (especially during football season) like stivern vs arreola is doing. Injuries aside, Ward should've been a ppv fighter by now but he can't even headline a fight outside of Oakland. After his HBO contact is up, I'm sure golden boy can co-promote Ward on a solid card at Barclay's or MGM. I could even see him as the co-main event on a Mayweather fight. And if a fight with Kovalev becomes an option at 175, I'm sure HBO will welcome him back like they did Cotto.



I think Ward-Pascal is a good fight for Ward to take if he's to move up to 175. Pascal has a big canadian following, hes a world class fighter, and Ward would gain some good exposure. It would also make for a good fight and I think its a winnable fight for Ward's 175 debut.

It's looking like eventually Ward will end up bouncing between showtime and HBO as you said because its rumored that Pascal is considering signing with Haymon and Stevenson is on Showtime. As far as HBO goes I dont think Chavez/GGG or Froch (if he wins) will ever fight Ward. That takes 168 fighters on HBO out the equation where Badou Jack/J'Leon love/Periban/Bika rematch are some good stay busy fights Ward can take on Showtime at 168 (promo from floyd/TMT is also a win). I dont see what fights a 175 are winnable/marketable for Ward right now besides Ward/Pascal. Its too son to call Ward vs. Stevenson/Kovalev and those are bad ideas for 175 debuts. If Pascal signs w/Haymon, by the time Ward moves up, he'll most likely be on Showtime. So i can see ward moving to showtime to either fight Pascal at 175 or a 168 contender just to stay busy.

If Groves wins however, i can see Ward-Groves happening. Chavez/Degale are top 2 on the WBO's rankings and I HIGLY doubt that Abraham will continue to defend that title by the end of this year. Soa small 168 tourney on HBO could be possible. But again i dont think Chavez will ever fight AW.
Jovi
It was good to see Andre Ward on that Angulo All Access. He just needs to make the full leap over to Showtime, I think he's taking the hints, he's already been verbal about it, and if it wasn't bothering him then he wouldn't say anything about it.

I think he knows if he just goes to showtime he doesn't have the opportunity to fight JCC and GGG like he wants to, since he know he can take both of those W's easy, he might be trying to NOT burn that bridge with HBO and fight for both HBO and Showtime. Very lucrative deal and smart to pull off if he can do it right, Ward is definitely a man of integrity though, so i rock with him. Whatever he needs to do to get back in the light, get the double company deal, come out with a shoe, and something else to build and his brand and he'll be gravy.

I dont think moving to 175 so fast is such a great idea, especially if you're gonna move up and fight the Champion first fight at 175. Kovelev i think would be a good first fight at 175, but definitely not Stevenson, gotta let the Stevenson fight Marinate...But at 168 Showtime IS where its at, other fighters at 168 were mentioned already but the one that stands out is Ward vs J'leon love. I remember Mayweather talking about it before, it would be cool to see it happen, Ward should be undisputed Champion at 168, can't let J'leon love no one near it, HELLLLLL NO
AZWildCat
QUOTE (Marcus @ Mar 28 2014, 10:10 AM) *
I think Ward-Pascal is a good fight for Ward to take if he's to move up to 175. Pascal has a big canadian following, hes a world class fighter, and Ward would gain some good exposure. It would also make for a good fight and I think its a winnable fight for Ward's 175 debut.

It's looking like eventually Ward will end up bouncing between showtime and HBO as you said because its rumored that Pascal is considering signing with Haymon and Stevenson is on Showtime. As far as HBO goes I dont think Chavez/GGG or Froch (if he wins) will ever fight Ward. That takes 168 fighters on HBO out the equation where Badou Jack/J'Leon love/Periban/Bika rematch are some good stay busy fights Ward can take on Showtime at 168 (promo from floyd/TMT is also a win). I dont see what fights a 175 are winnable/marketable for Ward right now besides Ward/Pascal. Its too son to call Ward vs. Stevenson/Kovalev and those are bad ideas for 175 debuts. If Pascal signs w/Haymon, by the time Ward moves up, he'll most likely be on Showtime. So i can see ward moving to showtime to either fight Pascal at 175 or a 168 contender just to stay busy.

If Groves wins however, i can see Ward-Groves happening. Chavez/Degale are top 2 on the WBO's rankings and I HIGLY doubt that Abraham will continue to defend that title by the end of this year. Soa small 168 tourney on HBO could be possible. But again i dont think Chavez will ever fight AW.


Lmao bad for who!?!
Marcus
QUOTE (AZWildCat @ Mar 28 2014, 02:26 PM) *
Lmao bad for who!?!


For Ward. I favor Ward over both fighters but Stevenson and Kovalev are heavy hitters. Yea Ward is more technically sound but why would you move up in weight and immediately face the heavy hitters (especially off of a long layoff) if you never plan on going back down? Ward's made it clear that once he moves up theres no going back sp whats the rush? Feel the weight class out first. And if Ward does go after both and shits on both fighters then hey he's just that good.
AZWildCat
QUOTE (Marcus @ Mar 28 2014, 12:08 PM) *
For Ward. I favor Ward over both fighters but Stevenson and Kovalev are heavy hitters. Yea Ward is more technically sound but why would you move up in weight and immediately face the heavy hitters (especially off of a long layoff) if you never plan on going back down? Ward's made it clear that once he moves up theres no going back sp whats the rush? Feel the weight class out first. And if Ward does go after both and shits on both fighters then hey he's just that good.

Critics and casual fans wouldn't let him live it down if he fought a janitor ...he just in that messed up of a situation
mgrover
he needs to do something and quick, it'd be a shame to finally see him in the ring and he's finally just that little bit slower, and thats all it takes
Cshel86
Who is Andre Ward?
BoxingStill#1
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 28 2014, 08:09 PM) *
Who is Andre Ward?



Exactlyyyy
Hotsauce
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 28 2014, 07:09 PM) *
Who is Andre Ward?

#2 P4P
The Original MrFactor
I think that now that Stevenson is gone to ST, HBO will likely push Ward /Kovalev. They have no more really big fights other than that. I'd pay to see that one too.
mrchitown
That's the trade off to this situation. They may have to face track a Ward-Kovalev fight. I've heard Pascal's name being mentioned but that seems unlikely because Pascal acts as if Sergey doesn't exist, maybe if they throw some dollars at him they can make it happen. I wouldn't mind seeing that fight and then Ward in an interim fight and then the two square off at the end of the year.
AZWildCat

Gambit808
QUOTE (AZWildCat @ Apr 2 2014, 10:34 PM) *

Good post AZ, and also good to hear this from the horses mouth. Dude is a smart man and put a better understanding point to his situation. I only hope it won't be to long before we see him back in the ring though.
mgrover
While am unsure about Al signing everyone and anyone, for christ sake just hurry up and sign the SOG
philly31
QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 3 2014, 03:34 AM) *
While am unsure about Al signing everyone and anyone, for christ sake just hurry up and sign the SOG


Ward is already with James Prince, but I did find it interesting to see Sam Watson lurking in the background at the end of that Ward video.
MAHDI
Ward seems to have most convinced he is the SOG... yet I feel he is a ? at 175... If he is as good as he says he is and everyone else does as well, It will be interesting to see who his first fight at 175 is against is of he gets the guts to move up. I don't think anyone at 175 fears Ward. He is a mystery and he is not getting called out because calling him out will not amount to any financial gain. 175 will be the proving ground for Ward because surely his body of work is quite scant... good wins at 168 but not enough. I am not convinced he can be successful north of 168. He could very well move up and get knocked into tomorrow.. I am anxious to see what the Son of God does
mrchitown
^^^ who are you convinced about is the real question?
mrchitown
QUOTE (philly31 @ Apr 3 2014, 09:10 AM) *
Ward is already with James Prince, but I did find it interesting to see Sam Watson lurking in the background at the end of that Ward video.


People change managers everyday. Plus it's not new to see someone leave J Prince. He's lost a lot of boxers over the years
Cshel86
QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 3 2014, 04:34 AM) *
While am unsure about Al signing everyone and anyone, for christ sake just hurry up and sign the SOG

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Right! He'll be right there in the mix with the current LHWs and surely HBO wont be happy about it...that's IF a HUGE fight comes up, and they (HBO) and Haymon start splitting short hairs about money.
mgrover
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 3 2014, 08:16 PM) *
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Right! He'll be right there in the mix with the current LHWs and surely HBO wont be happy about it...that's IF a HUGE fight comes up, and they (HBO) and Haymon start splitting short hairs about money.


What stagnated this I think is his refusal to move up to light heavyweight. Him and Virgil just went on about how they'll move up when there ready. Are they waiting on a Chavez Jr match still? Who knows.
MAHDI
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 3 2014, 02:56 PM) *
^^^ who are you convinced about is the real question?





Floyd Jr. and Hopkins... LIVING LEGENDS--Physical Manifestation of the TRUTH IN boxing. I am not convinced with SOG... not just yet, a successful dominating move to 175 would confirm and validate his HOLINESS... if BHOP can move up and beat top guys at 175 near 50 then surely SOG who has been labled GREAT can go up and handle his business. Until he does so, his body of work thus far in my view is only decent. Great talent yes, but I would like to see how he looks at 175 where there is plenty of work he can do. If Ward wants to rise above mediocrity and headline a PPV he must go up and dominate at 175. I would like to see him in against Pascal for starters...
Marcus
QUOTE (MAHDI @ Apr 4 2014, 01:33 PM) *
Floyd Jr. and Hopkins... LIVING LEGENDS--Physical Manifestation of the TRUTH IN boxing. I am not convinced with SOG... not just yet, a successful dominating move to 175 would confirm and validate his HOLINESS... if BHOP can move up and beat top guys at 175 near 50 then surely SOG who has been labled GREAT can go up and handle his business. Until he does so, his body of work thus far in my view is only decent. Great talent yes, but I would like to see how he looks at 175 where there is plenty of work he can do. If Ward wants to rise above mediocrity and headline a PPV he must go up and dominate at 175. I would like to see him in against Pascal for starters...


Ward-Pascal is a great fight. Both guys can crack and box.
mrchitown
QUOTE (MAHDI @ Apr 4 2014, 12:33 PM) *
Floyd Jr. and Hopkins... LIVING LEGENDS--Physical Manifestation of the TRUTH IN boxing. I am not convinced with SOG... not just yet, a successful dominating move to 175 would confirm and validate his HOLINESS... if BHOP can move up and beat top guys at 175 near 50 then surely SOG who has been labled GREAT can go up and handle his business. Until he does so, his body of work thus far in my view is only decent. Great talent yes, but I would like to see how he looks at 175 where there is plenty of work he can do. If Ward wants to rise above mediocrity and headline a PPV he must go up and dominate at 175. I would like to see him in against Pascal for starters...


I can't argue most of what you said but I think he has an A-1 resume and he has guys who are not eager to fight him in Golovkin and Chavez Jr. The doubt he strikes in them is very telling if just how great he is. They'd both rather best up in the Curtis Stevens and the Brian Vera's of the world then fight him

Yes. Very true, Mayweather and Hopkins are legends but Ward is the new generation and out of the new class there is NONE that can f**k with him. I also like the fight suggestion if Ward-Pascal. That would be a good fight
Hotsauce
QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 4 2014, 04:14 PM) *
I can't argue most of what you said but I think he has an A-1 resume and he has guys who are not eager to fight him in Golovkin and Chavez Jr. The doubt he strikes in them is very telling if just how great he is. They'd both rather best up in the Curtis Stevens and the Brian Vera's of the world then fight him

Yes. Very true, Mayweather and Hopkins are legends but Ward is the new generation and out of the new class there is NONE that can f**k with him. I also like the fight suggestion if Ward-Pascal. That would be a good fight


belee dat
klonopinz
wrad needs to move up cause there aint nothing for him except jesse hart or stieglitz and thats not much of a challenge.
klonopinz
i meant abraham. he might as well try to grab that wbo strap. all the money is at 175, and as long as goosen could give a shit about ward, the only thing thats gonna get goosen to care is a big money fight, and thats all 175. if he doesnt move up hes gonna lose his touch and become the next martinez.
TheCritics
Ward against the GGG-JCCJr winner, Groves after he beats Froch, DeGeale and possibly Dirrell if he ever finds his sack
Cshel86
QUOTE (TheCritics @ Apr 6 2014, 10:06 PM) *
Ward against the GGG-JCCJr winner, Groves after he beats Froch, DeGeale and possibly Dirrell if he ever finds his sack

I don't know man...the winner of GGG/JCC are gonna enjoy their own set of accolades after that hard earned victory...not sure if they're gonna be clamoring over a Ward fight. Honestly, the winner of that fight would end up being a bigger star than Ward...not necessarily a better fighter, but definitely a bigger star.

The winner of that fight should of course face the winner of Froch/Groves. In fact, if GGG wins, then he wont mind facing the winner of that fight...thing is, will either of them be willing to face him? If Froch wins and has to face GGG, I'm sure he'd opt to fight Ward instead...because a GGG fight is a bit risky with not too much to offer, but who knows.

Now, if Chavez wins, then we'll definitely get the JCC/Froch fight...which is what I'm waiting on., Maybe Ward should cross his fingers that Sergio wins and entertains the idea of moving up to 68. Dirrell is once again a non-factor in the sport...his fault, and yet again, he's gonna miss another train.

Ward's not in the best position at the moment...could be worse though....
Hotsauce
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 7 2014, 04:20 PM) *
I don't know man...the winner of GGG/JCC are gonna enjoy their own set of accolades after that hard earned victory...not sure if they're gonna be clamoring over a Ward fight. Honestly, the winner of that fight would end up being a bigger star than Ward...not necessarily a better fighter, but definitely a bigger star.

The winner of that fight should of course face the winner of Froch/Groves. In fact, if GGG wins, then he wont mind facing the winner of that fight...thing is, will either of them be willing to face him? If Froch wins and has to face GGG, I'm sure he'd opt to fight Ward instead...because a GGG fight is a bit risky with not too much to offer, but who knows.

Now, if Chavez wins, then we'll definitely get the JCC/Froch fight...which is what I'm waiting on., Maybe Ward should cross his fingers that Sergio wins and entertains the idea of moving up to 68. Dirrell is once again a non-factor in the sport...his fault, and yet again, he's gonna miss another train.

Ward's not in the best position at the moment...could be worse though....


I heard ggg will move back down to 160 after his fight against chavez
philly31
QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 7 2014, 04:20 PM) *
I don't know man...the winner of GGG/JCC are gonna enjoy their own set of accolades after that hard earned victory...not sure if they're gonna be clamoring over a Ward fight. Honestly, the winner of that fight would end up being a bigger star than Ward...not necessarily a better fighter, but definitely a bigger star.

The winner of that fight should of course face the winner of Froch/Groves. In fact, if GGG wins, then he wont mind facing the winner of that fight...thing is, will either of them be willing to face him? If Froch wins and has to face GGG, I'm sure he'd opt to fight Ward instead...because a GGG fight is a bit risky with not too much to offer, but who knows.

Now, if Chavez wins, then we'll definitely get the JCC/Froch fight...which is what I'm waiting on., Maybe Ward should cross his fingers that Sergio wins and entertains the idea of moving up to 68. Dirrell is once again a non-factor in the sport...his fault, and yet again, he's gonna miss another train.

Ward's not in the best position at the moment...could be worse though....


GGG will go after Martinez first if they both win imo. I like Froch, but a fight with GGG ends up on boxing after dark, but a fight with JCC is ppv all the way. Either way, that sucks for Ward. He literally has no options at 168 unless Froch loses.
Cshel86
QUOTE (Hotsauce @ Apr 8 2014, 02:26 AM) *
I heard ggg will move back down to 160 after his fight against chavez

Me too, but he hasn't fought or won the fight, so we can't be too sure at this point. He could stay at 68, troll Ward, and get some more recognition off his name (from the boxing world's standpoint), you know...like Floyd and Manny did each other. Lol

QUOTE (philly31 @ Apr 8 2014, 09:20 AM) *
GGG will go after Martinez first if they both win imo. I like Froch, but a fight with GGG ends up on boxing after dark, but a fight with JCC is ppv all the way. Either way, that sucks for Ward. He literally has no options at 168 unless Froch loses.

No...GGG will go after Martinez...not sure if it's gonna be the other way around. Lol

I agree, a Froch/Chavez fight would be a blast! All of these exciting fights being mentioned, and Ward is hardly included in any of them. Sad, right? Lol
AZWildCat
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