"I'm going to get back at it. I want to get one this summer; maybe in August. I know Legacy is coming back here in September, so I wanna be on that, but maybe get one in before that one...I learned my cardio is shit, but I did learn that I can keep on going. My cardio was down, but I just kept on fighting through it. I got that dog in me to keep on going. When you don't have nothing left, you gotta find something and I did that and I pushed through," stated middleweight Bull Lawal, who talked about his recent victory in his MMA debut, his future plans, and much more. Check it out!
PC: Man, you finally got your MMA debut out of the way. How did you grade yourself out?
BL: Man, I gave myself probably a D-. I kind of gassed at the beginning of the 2nd round and I could have done better with my striking. I wasn't as confident as I thought I was gonna be with my striking. I was kind of sloppy, so it's definitely things I have to work on.
PC: You dominated him in the 1st round. Do you think you gassed because you thought you could get him out in the 1st round, so you put so much effort into trying to stop him, or do you have to change some things in training?
BL: That could be the case. I thought I was gonna get him out of there, but he was tougher than I expected. Everybody told me once I got him in a bad position, he was gonna quit, but that didn't happen, so I had to try and get him out of there.
PC: You went 3 hard rounds in your debut. Do you want to go back to the gym and learn or get right back in there to learn on the job so to speak?
BL: My coach wants me to work on some things, so I'm going to get back at it. I want to get one this summer; maybe in August. I know Legacy is coming back here in September, so I wanna be on that, but maybe get one in before that one. But it's up to Mike and Sayif to decide what's best for me.
PC: Was having your brother Mo in your corner nerve-racking or a big help, because I know that can be a gift and a curse to a degree?
BL: He was saying, "What the fuck are you doing out there?" (Laughing) It was good though because people see my brother and I think it's intimidating a little bit. I had my brother there, Sayif, and Steve Wright, so that's a nice little corner and that can be intimidating. It was kind of hard having my brother there though because he is such an accomplished athlete in both MMA and wrestling, so it was kind of hard. I think he was kind of nervous for me. I looked at my corner a few times before it started and it looked like he was nervous. And honestly, I'm the same way when I'm at his fights because you can't do nothing to help, so it's like damn, you're helpless.
PC: Jabari Shakur was definitely a tough dude. Other than his toughness, was there any surprises that he offered during the fight that you didn't expect?
BL: I really thought I was gonna get him out of there quick; like take him down and that would be a wrap. But he was tough. He was real tough. He hit me with some good shots. He was tired, just like I was, so I guess that was somewhat surprising because he had some fights under his belt. But you know what? He was cool afterwards and real respectful. But he was just an all-around tough dude and he had pretty good standup. I expected everything that he was doing though because I had a teammate that worked with him before.
PC: What did you learn about yourself from this fight, positive and negative?
BL: I learned my cardio is shit, but I did learn that I can keep on going. My cardio was down, but I just kept on fighting through it. I got that dog in me to keep on going. When you don't have nothing left, you gotta find something and I did that and I pushed through.
PC: Mo said he wants to get you out in Vegas to train with him a little bit. Is that the plan?
BL: Yeah, I'm trying to get out there in early June because he is fighting on June 19th, so I'm trying to get out there. I can't really help him in his camp (laughing), but get out there and be a body that he can do some stuff on. But I do want to go out there a week or two before his fight, and if I fight in August, I will go back in July some time. I want to get out there a couple of times, and he said after his fight, he's gonna come out here and work with me a little bit more. For this fight, he only saw me go the day before and we were just doing takedown drills and stuff like that. He will help me out tremendously!
PC: Your takedowns and your wrestling and ground and pound was definitely the difference in that fight. Even though you don't have the background, is it kind of natural for you seeing Mo do it for so long or did you specifically work on that aspect of your game for this particular fight?
BL: It's kind of natural. I have seen my brother wrestle for so long, and I know it's not the same as seeing somebody and actually doing it, but I can use what works for him technique-wise because we kind of have the same build. I'm quicker than him though (laughing). It's a natural thing and the thing is we both have good instincts and we are both quick, so it translates to the cage well.
PC: I look forward to seeing your growth within the sport and seeing you back in the cage again soon. Is there anything else you want to add?
BL: I appreciate everybody at Octagon MMA, you and FightHype, all of my teammates, Steve Wright, my brother and my manager Mike Kogan, the fans for their support, and everybody that came out to watch me fight; I want to thank each and every one of them, and of course Legacy Fighting Championship.